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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #5852
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1243691299800317954

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5853
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    weisses wrote: »
    Was listening to an ICU manager in Holland and he said that every single one in critical care and on the ventilator because of covid was overweight and or obese
    Being overweight or obese by BMI seems to be a factor in the UK too. I'll try and dig up the data I read, but IIRC in something like thirty ICU patients only one was underweight, three were in the normal BMI category, the rest were obese. Tiny sample size mind you. I've noticed in the US most of the cases I've seen reported of people who died, particularly men "with no underlying disease", were obese. In Asia I haven't seen any breakdown by weight/BMI, but they're far less likely to be fat in the first place. Breathing difficulties like apnea are more common in the overweight, so maybe that's a part of it? Might it be one factor to explain why women are less likely to die from this, because if they are obese the fat is more likely to be on hips and thighs rather than abdominal, so their breathing is less affected? This seems to be the case with sleep apnea.

    If obesity is a significant factor then places like the US are in serious trouble. We're not too rosy here when Irish men have one the highest rates of obesity in the EU.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5854
    hairyslug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭hairyslug


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    The likes of DHL and UPS are they still operating under the new guidelines?

    DPD say they will not be affected by a lockdown but this hasn't been updated.

    https://dpd.ie/DPD-Ireland-Corona-Virus-Updates


  • #5855
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Gynoid wrote: »
    And what do you think about ordinary breathing and aerosolised particles? If you are chatting with someone outside on a frosty morning it is interesting how far the visible breath stream goes, and certainly if you are in a room with someone who has very bad breath and is talking to you, you could be 10 foot away from them but quite soon the smell reaches you. Big whopping sneezes may not be the only problem? I dont know. Even as a medical person who has far more knowledge perhaps you dont know yet with this thing? There are too many gaps in our knowledge. Well, in my opinion anyway. I am not going around freaked out or anything, as I have something of a fatalistic streak. But I dont know for sure on this 2 metres, 3 metres, whatever business. Hmmmmm.

    There was an expert on the radio the other day saying breathing did not transmit the virus just coughing and sneezing.

    I don’t know myself it’s hard to understand.

    You would assume that the vast majority of people are controlling their coughs and sneezes and not shooting them out.
    Yet the virus is still spreading.
    Some people spit unintentionally when they are talking or pronouncing hard sounds like P, T and C etc. You would imagine that would spread the virus. This would especially be the case when people are keeping their distance and talking from two metres and trying to projecting their voice that bit more. Better off not talking to anyone.


  • #5856
    voluntary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Being overweight or obese by BMI seems to be a factor in the UK too.

    Americans are fuc.ed


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  • #5857
    Mysteriouschic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭Mysteriouschic


    Conor Mcgregor speech on lockdown
    Good he’s trying to help!
    He mentioned 5 weeks first 2 weeks then 3 more weeks and talked about shutting the airports.


  • #5858
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    voluntary wrote: »
    Americans are fuc.ed

    fast food is considered an essential service here in Ireland, Irish are fecked

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5859
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Why arent we publishing the recovered numbers?


  • #5860
    Logan Roy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    voluntary wrote: »
    Americans are fuc.ed

    I wonder is it the obesity itself or the fact that most obese people would have reduced lung capacity due to lack of exercise. I know there would be some who are the exception to the rule.


  • #5861
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,041 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    voluntary wrote: »
    Americans are fuc.ed

    We are a nation that swamped a new donut joint that opened, formed queues that gridlocked towns when Maccy D's was about to shut.


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  • #5862
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Why arent we publishing the recovered numbers?

    Only 5 recovered (according to Worldometer).


  • #5863
    nimrod86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭nimrod86


    strathspey wrote: »
    Intel isn't closing apparently. It's manufacturing sites are regarded as an essential service. Now the cynic in me says isn't it amazing how we have involved that we are now as dependent on PC chips as we are on food for survival.

    Allowing big companies to decide themselves that they're essential is going to cause chaos. There's over 5000 people on site there daily, less now with some working from home, but the worker population left now (technicians) realistically can't socially distance and do work much the same as a building site.


  • #5864
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    600,000 cases now, worldwide.


  • #5865
    careless sherpa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 373 ✭✭careless sherpa


    Mysteriouschic wrote: »
    Conor Mcgregor speech on lockdown
    Good he’s trying to help!
    He mentioned 5 weeks first 2 weeks then 3 more weeks and talked about shutting the airports.

    Couple of less assaults during this lockdown period is a positive as well


  • #5866
    Dffgsdf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Dffgsdf


    Sorry if this has been asked. It’s a very big thread. Are restaurant food delivery services staying open? My husband is a restaurant manager and they switched to deliveries these past couple weeks when the place shut. No idea if he’s still got work now.


  • #5867
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    bekker wrote: »
    I wonder if holiday homes are excluded?

    Maybe a better definition was required.

    Such as 'principle permanent residence'.

    Home is home. I expect it is defined as main residence in the regulation. you don't want to be "that f**Ker from Dublin who brought the coronavirus here"


  • #5868
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Dffgsdf wrote: »
    Sorry if this has been asked. It’s a very big thread. Are restaurant food delivery services staying open? My husband is a restaurant manager and they switched to deliveries these past couple weeks when the place shut. No idea if he’s still got work now.

    Yes.


  • #5869
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    Gynoid wrote: »
    This idea that most are grand when they catch it is unproven.
    It may certainly be so but I do not think we have the data yet and therefore an abundance of caution is the wisest route.
    A doctor in a video from a NY hospital said people are ending up in her ICU for completely different reasons, eg abdominal pain or car crash, no covid symptoms, and yet CT scans show their lungs have been affected by coronavirus. I presume affected means in some way damaged.

    Until we know the extent of damage, to even asymptomatic people who presume they have never had the virus, and the extent to which lungs repair after covid damage, we just cannot safely or reasonably say the word "grand".


    Has anyone heard anything re construction sites? Thanks.

    Yes I feel this is a new disease and even people with no symptoms can have long term affects that we don’t know about.


  • #5870
    Silent Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    plodder wrote: »
    Home is home. I expect it is defined as main residence in the regulation. you don't want to be "that f**Ker from Dublin who brought the coronavirus here"

    That fucker from Dublin is already in Wexford. Holiday homes that only see action during the summer have people in them all the time now.


  • #5871
    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,301 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    I hope you can relax and enjoy the weekend!

    Thanks, you too. I think I should probably step away from this thread though :) *



    *Certainly don't want to be disparaging about the thread/forum though, what I've read has all been very civilised by Internet standards.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • #5872
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Your assumption that 1000 euro per month given to everybody would cause an equivalent price increase equal to 1000 euro across all products is unfounded, as it assumes the supply of all goods are inelastic.

    edit:

    We should perhaps use another thread for this.

    That isn’t an assumption I made though. I was talking about housing cost and essential consumer goods. Moreover supply elasticity certainly isn’t the only parameter at play with regards to inflation, and even if it was, as we well know in this country housing supply certainly isn’t elastic.

    I think this MMT thigh will really burn “the people” it is supposed to help in the end, as the wealthy will have better ways to protect their wealth through assets who value isn’t being destroyed (even buying more assets with loans in a currency who’s value is being destroyed), while your average joe will see the actual purchasing power of the money on their savings account collapse.

    Anyway, yes it is a discussion for another thread.


  • #5873
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Being overweight or obese by BMI seems to be a factor in the UK too. I'll try and dig up the data I read, but IIRC in something like thirty ICU patients only one was underweight, three were in the normal BMI category, the rest were obese. Tiny sample size mind you. I've noticed in the US most of the cases I've seen reported of people who died, particularly men "with no underlying disease", were obese. In Asia I haven't seen any breakdown by weight/BMI, but they're far less likely to be fat in the first place. Breathing difficulties like apnea are more common in the overweight, so maybe that's a part of it? Might it be one factor to explain why women are less likely to die from this, because if they are obese the fat is more likely to be on hips and thighs rather than abdominal, so their breathing is less affected? This seems to be the case with sleep apnea.

    If obesity is a significant factor then places like the US are in serious trouble. We're not too rosy here when Irish men have one the highest rates of obesity in the EU.

    Just looked up the HSE stats, only 4 in 10 Irish people are not overweight or obese!


  • #5874
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    This is interesting, Northern Italy always has excess deaths from flu

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1243618071622766592

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #5875
    Naked Lepper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    Mysteriouschic wrote: »
    Conor Mcgregor speech on lockdown
    Good he’s trying to help!
    He mentioned 5 weeks first 2 weeks then 3 more weeks and talked about shutting the airports.

    looks like the government listened to him


  • #5876
    overkill602
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    as i am on self isolation returned from the middle east tues no symptoms was temp checked in abu Dhabi nothing in dublin airport.
    listening to the news people still on cruses WTF after the many Feb cruse ship outbreaks some people are beyond reach


  • #5877
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    overkill602 wrote: »
    ....listening to the news people still on cruses WTF....

    That shocked me! Poeple....Irish people....still on cruises! FFS!

    On this one AFAIK: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52072703


  • #5878
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    overkill602 wrote: »
    listening to the news people still on cruses WTF after the many Feb cruse ship outbreaks some people are beyond reach

    Seriously?! I thought most if not all cruise lines had stopped their sailings - going on a cruise as a guest or as a crew member is pretty much asking to get contaminated :-/


  • #5879
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Just looked up the HSE stats, only 4 in 10 Irish people are not overweight or obese!
    Aye, it's a scary stat alright. Laughing about the "fat Yanks" is ironic and hypocritical.
    silverharp wrote: »
    This is interesting, Northern Italy always has excess deaths from flu

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1243618071622766592
    Older demographic and higher industrial pollution and more spread among closer knit family groups? Like this evil pox I suppose.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #5880
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Why arent we publishing the recovered numbers?

    They can only be published as recovered following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, at the moment testing is limited to diagnosis rather than recovery I would imagine.


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  • #5881
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    So are factories all closing now or what?


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