CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

28-03-2020 04:54AM

I started watching coverage of this on CNN about 10 days ago. There was 8,500 confirmed cases. Tonight there are over 100,000 confirmed cases. It will be 1 million cases in around the same time again, and hopefully not, 8 - 10 million in about 20 days time.

Say for the sake of argument a mortality rate if 2% (it has been 10% in Italy), thats a scary figure.

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 04:54AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this a scare tactic to make people behave better, or do you genuinely believe that everyone in Ireland will lose someone to it?

Alas good chance everyone will know someone, even if only by acquaintance, if we don't stop it in its tracks now

28-03-2020 04:58AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Alas good chance everyone will know someone, even if only by acquaintance, if we don't stop it in its tracks now

That's not what the poster said. He said the difference in action now is the difference between one person you know dying, or several. He already said it was a gut wrenching day. If he's worked himself into such a state that he thinks everyone is going to lose someone no matter what, he needs to stop reading about this stuff.

Raconteuse · 28-03-2020 04:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this a scare tactic to make people behave better, or do you genuinely believe that everyone in Ireland will lose someone to it?

Yeah I think I'm pretty clued in as to the seriousness of this - glued to it. But there is a lot of "mights"/"coulds" being claimed as "wills". It's already worrying enough with the actual facts (I can't sleep even though I'm knackered). Nothing should be stated as fact without evidence.

We might all know or know of someone who is diagnosed with it, but not even in Italy would everyone know someone who has died.

ThePopehimself · 28-03-2020 04:59AM

paul71 wrote: »

I am going to bed, it has been a gut wenching day, but before I go I say simply this.

This disease is going to kill someone YOU know. It is in your control, not the governments, whether it kills 1 person you know or several.

I hope you sleep okay, sorry for your loss - it has clearly been a very distressing day.

Wishing you well.

WAW · 28-03-2020 05:02AM

paul71 wrote: »

There is a post 5 above you from the spouse and family of a health care worker.

Yesterday a nurse in the ICU of the mater hospital died protecting us from this virus.

Our government has passed a law on the advice of Medical experts to help save the lives of our elderly and protect people like that nurse.

You question that because you want to go for a run.

GROW UP.

Nobody wants anyone to die from covid. But the reality is that health care workers, doctors, nurses die every year - some of them due to the nature of their work. You just don't hear about but we're hearing about it now but only if it's from covid. It's not disrespectful to point that out.

gormdubhgorm · 28-03-2020 05:03AM

paddythere wrote: »

What about a 6 mile run? Are you expecting stay within 2km of your house during a run?

showpony1 wrote: »

you sound like the type that would be running the streets around Camden street and Central Bank at rush hours cursing at people walking on the foot paths for being in your way.

Plus the genius that is paddythere, has not figured out that he could do three laps of a 2km route. And that the idea of the 2km limit is to keep any virus localised.

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 05:03AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Tell me about it. In an ideal world, yes.

But they are an 'Ethnic Group' and Ethnic Group is a Royal Flush here. They won't even be required to read the booklet.......(I'm holding my tongue)

Two have tested positive in my Mother in Laws Nursing Home. I saw her through the closed window today. I was wearing a mask & gloves. It was pathetic.

Bottom line; as with every other resource, unless they get all the back-up and support that there is, way beyond what anyone else in the community gets, they will fill up those ICU beds and by Jes^s will they have a choir of Angels telling the rest of us that we need to understand and appreciate their Ethnic disadvantage.

So, much and all as it peeves me - hopefully those infected are identified, isolated and separated.

Get what you are saying but it is not right
The other half's mother is in a care home - currently on a drip, very old (several other things wrong with her but not life threatening). If she caught this she would be dead in a day. They already had one care worker confirmed with it.

I don't see why any one group of people should be given any preference to testing. Everyone has the same chance of catching it and everyone has the same chance of being seriously ill and dying from it - look at the Italy videos, lots of 30-50 year olds needing respiratory aid. Now the US (NY especially) videos of doctors coming out saying its not an old persons disease - everyone can be seriously ill.

28-03-2020 05:03AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah I think I'm pretty clued in as to the seriousness of this - glued to it. But there is a lot of "mights"/"coulds" being claimed as "wills". It's already worrying enough with the actual facts (I can't sleep even though I'm knackered). Nothing should be stated as fact without evidence.

We might all know or know of someone who is diagnosed with it, but not even in Italy would everyone know someone who has died.

For everyone in Italy to have lost someone they know up to this point, the average person would need to know 6,666 people.

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 05:06AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah I think I'm pretty clued in as to the seriousness of this - glued to it. But there is a lot of "mights"/"coulds" being claimed as "wills". It's already worrying enough with the actual facts (I can't sleep even though I'm knackered). Nothing should be stated as fact without evidence.

We might all know or know of someone who is diagnosed with it, but not even in Italy would everyone know someone who has died.

Ireland being a lot more closely knit community the chances are you would know someone

ThePopehimself · 28-03-2020 05:06AM

DisneyLover wrote: »

Has anyone been on the darts how are they getting on with the new timetable during this are they empty??

Back to work Wednesday in bio chem ...

Presume all construction sites will be closed and only emergency services, pharmacist and food shops will be only people working yes ...??

Good to see you're on the mend!

gormdubhgorm · 28-03-2020 05:07AM

WAW wrote: »

Nobody wants anyone to die from covid. But the reality is that health care workers, doctors, nurses die every year - some of them due to the nature of their work. You just don't hear about but we're hearing about it now but only if it's from covid. It's not disrespectful to point that out.

Statistically health care workers are now more likely to die than any other year or any other month or any other day of the year worldwide not just in Ireland. That is the point. To engage in whataboutery,at a time like this; when everyone should be pulling in the same direction is quite frankly staggering.

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 05:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

For everyone in Italy to have lost someone they know up to this point, the average person would need to know 6,666 people.

Away with you and the number of the beast

WAW · 28-03-2020 05:10AM

Raconteuse wrote: »

"A healthy immune system is the best thing to counter any virus" (stop the research, no need for a vaccine!) They're not for real though. They can't be. If they are... yikes.

I am for real. A healthy immune system will allow you to contract a virus and fight it off. A vaccine, whilst useful will only protect you against one strain of anything. You cannot vaccinate against everything and new viruses pop up all the time therefore it's crucial to have a strong immune system. Surely you are not suggesting vaccination is better than healthy immune systems because even a doctor wouldn't say that!

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 05:12AM

And Alaska goes in to lockdown - every country needs to do this now for a month, let the virus burn itself out and all come out the other side knowing it won't come back (which is a big worry)
To hell with the economy - if every country is shut down then the economy becomes frozen and has no detrimental effects on anyone. We are just freezing everything for 4-6 weeks

https://twitter.com/BNODesk?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

fritzelly · 28-03-2020 05:15AM

WAW wrote: »

I am for real. A healthy immune system will allow you to contract a virus and fight it off. A vaccine, whilst useful will only protect you against one strain of anything. You cannot vaccinate against everything and new viruses pop up all the time therefore it's crucial to have a strong immune system. Surely you are not suggesting vaccination is better than healthy immune systems because even a doctor wouldn't say that!

A healthy immune system screwed a lot of people during the Spanish Flu
Plus lots of people don't even know they have any underlying conditions so it's a false fallacy to think you are healthy because you exercise regularly
Never think you are immune because you think you are healthy

Raconteuse · 28-03-2020 05:18AM

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IQnWqpv0_w

Fuq...

;_;

WAW · 28-03-2020 05:26AM

fritzelly wrote: »

A healthy immune system screwed a lot of people during the Spanish Flu
Plus lots of people don't even know they have any underlying conditions so it's a false fallacy to think you are healthy because you exercise regularly
Never think you are immune because you think you are healthy

Well it's bad for our health to worry too much. Your response suggests you're a worrier. Try to be positive and keep threats in perspective. If you have a comprised immune system then I understand personal worry and concern, if not we just have to assume we'll be grand if we contract it as the vast majority are.

cefh17 · 28-03-2020 05:33AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Nailed it.

I usually only encounter 1, perhaps 2, and often not a single other person. I had to go shopping today. That would be at least a million times more likely to acquire or pass on infection, but it has to be done, the troops and the cats need to be fed. I don't touch my face, I use hand sanitiser, and when I get home I wash my hands, go back and wipe the front door handles, the steering wheel, the gear knob, indicator stalks, door handles the hatch hand grip. I even wipe down my purchases before putting them away and I have been doing all this for the last 4 weeks.

I have been well ahead of the high horsemen, the government and Varadkar. I even have hand sanitiser bought in Lidl before these obedience clowns probably even knew there was such a thing as Covid-19. I have been advocating the seriousness of what was to come, which we are now experiencing, since the first thread. Now instead of all the 'it's just a flu' idiots and 'you are all panicking over nothing' clowns, we have these 11th thread on the topic blow-ins who have just found religion, getting wind up their skirts about people not following the letter of the scripture. It's frankly comic.

The big difference being you had to go shopping to get groceries I'm sure. You need to go shopping eventually. You won't die if you can't go for your poxy long walk for 2 weeks (which you can, but we've been advised to keep it to within a 2k radius).

Maybe if you keep it to 2k instead of however long you want it to be because, 'sure the roads are quiet', you might meet one person instead of two.

Let's play devils advocate and you're an asymptomatic carrier and that second person you meet that you might not have on a shorter walk catches it and passes it on to their elderly parents, what then? Maybe one would get sick or worse. Or you catch it off them passing and give it to your family?

Good for you for doing all of the recommended things like not touching your face and sanitising commonly touches surfaces. Why stick to those and not this recommendation?

TheDenialTwist · 28-03-2020 05:36AM

DisneyLover wrote: »

Has anyone been on the darts how are they getting on with the new timetable during this are they empty??

Back to work Wednesday in bio chem ...

Presume all construction sites will be closed and only emergency services, pharmacist and food shops will be only people working yes ...??

Will you PM please when you have some time, thanks.

Gynoid · 28-03-2020 05:42AM

WAW wrote: »

If you have a comprised immune system then I understand personal worry and concern, if not we just have to assume we'll be grand if we contract it as the vast majority are.

This idea that most are grand when they catch it is unproven.
It may certainly be so but I do not think we have the data yet and therefore an abundance of caution is the wisest route.
A doctor in a video from a NY hospital said people are ending up in her ICU for completely different reasons, eg abdominal pain or car crash, no covid symptoms, and yet CT scans show their lungs have been affected by coronavirus. I presume affected means in some way damaged.

Until we know the extent of damage, to even asymptomatic people who presume they have never had the virus, and the extent to which lungs repair after covid damage, we just cannot safely or reasonably say the word "grand".

Has anyone heard anything re construction sites? Thanks.

Vicxas · 28-03-2020 05:54AM

Can someone outline are manufactureres that supply retailers still ok to travel to work considering they're supplying a critical business?

Are takeaway deliveries gone too?

zvone · 28-03-2020 06:02AM

Simple question... My wife working in shopping center. Nothing important, she's a cleaner. Most shops a closed but some a still opened (boots, Mark and Spencer, Eurogiant.. ) She's working for cleaning company and she should work tomorrow... What now? Will she break the law if she goes to work? What if Guarda stops her? Should she stay at home? Same clarification would be nice...

Whehey! · 28-03-2020 06:02AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think off licences will close now. A good thing.

No still open as apparently beverages are on the essential list.. a joke now.

ninebeanrows · 28-03-2020 06:07AM

Just to clarify , I assume you can go for a walk with your wife/ partner who you reside with?

cnocbui · 28-03-2020 06:22AM

cefh17 wrote: »

The big difference being you had to go shopping to get groceries I'm sure. You need to go shopping eventually. You won't die if you can't go for your poxy long walk for 2 weeks (which you can, but we've been advised to keep it to within a 2k radius).

Maybe if you keep it to 2k instead of however long you want it to be because, 'sure the roads are quiet', you might meet one person instead of two.

Let's play devils advocate and you're an asymptomatic carrier and that second person you meet that you might not have on a shorter walk catches it and passes it on to their elderly parents, what then? Maybe one would get sick or worse. Or you catch it off them passing and give it to your family?

This 'meet' thing needs to be put in perspective - it's passing someone else who is at least 3m away and the time spent even that far away is 2 seconds or less.

The chances of infection via that route are zero, none, not going to happen, beyond vanishingly small. It's in the same league of ludicrousness as the danger of the hedges being coated in virus and me going and licking them for fun.

Good for you for doing all of the recommended things like not touching your face and sanitising commonly touches surfaces. Why stick to those and not this recommendation?

Because those are actually practical things that can and will mitigate against the risk of becoming infected, whereas walking further than 2k on a thoroughly deserted country road isn't.

I could choose to walk a different route that would actually comply with the 2k limit. I would possibly, and likely, encounter far more people than taking a 4k walk on the other route. But that's ok, isn't it, because then I'm a dutiful, obedient little drone, slavishly complying with the rules, right? Anyone who lives in an urban area who goes for a 2k walk is going to encounter more people than I would walking for 4k. But that's following the rules, so it's fine. But this isn't about the actual realities of risk or endangerment of others, it's about me saying I'm going to break the precious rules. It's about non-conformity, not risk or endangerment of others.

I say I'm going to break the precious rules and it's: 'but think of all the nurses you will kill, you self entitled sanctimonious, selfish prick. But if I say I'm going to walk the more populated 2k route, and keep within the rules, it's: 'good on ya, mate, nice to see you doing the right thing, thinking of the nurses and sticking to the rules.'

Raconteuse · 28-03-2020 06:24AM

Made the mistake of looking at a Twitter thread just there.

Jesus Christ, if they'd a brain cell it would die of loneliness.

This place overall is by far the most sensible.

yogidc26 · 28-03-2020 06:30AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Can someone outline are manufactureres that supply retailers still ok to travel to work considering they're supplying a critical business?

Are takeaway deliveries gone too?

The list is here
http://www.gov.ie/en/publication/625292-updated-list-of-essential-retail-outlets-27th-march-2020/#essential-retail-outlets

DisneyLover · 28-03-2020 06:34AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

Good to see you're on the mend!

Hey Pope, still SOB and cough but temp and HR grand. I meant that I'm back if my results are clear sorry for not including that!! Got swab Monday but still no feicin results!!!!!!! Im only working part time atm and they keep asking when Im back (work in a major hospital) and Im like??????? I work Wed Thur Fri so hopefully I get the negative and can go in!

The guilt of not being in the hospital is making my anxiety go boom ^^^ and if the darts are jammed from only being one an hour Im feiced

Gynoid · 28-03-2020 06:37AM

I hope it is not inappropriate still to have some levity, hard to know but ..well...I still need laughter. So, on the first day of lockdown, I present a skill that could be practised diligently in the privacy of your home...

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1243708149149749248?s=19

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03