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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #3152
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    If anyone thinks Sweden approach is working they only need to look at Holland.

    I’m amazed at Sweden of all countries.

    A cultural thing apparently. They are very liberal and progressive and don't like telling people what to do.

    Intrestingly, Norway and Denmark went the other way and headed straight into 'lockdown'.


  • #3153
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

    Which while horrific is not as bad as originally forecast

    Again as sad and horrific as this is people will die its just a matter of trying to keep the number as low as we possibly can


  • #3154
    Red for Danger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Red for Danger


    Those flattening the curve maps aren't for adults their for the children something you can show them to help them sleep at night. Like all dogs go to heaven etc.

    It time for adults to start facing reality as facing into this thing with the with a practical approach is far better than burying your head in the sand.

    Also for those who are eager to sort out this wet market thing in china could you also sort out hunger in Africa, climate change and guns in America while ur at it.
    You'll have a busy summer.


  • #3155
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    People are going to die no way around that unfortunately for us all ,
    What number of realistic deaths would you say that the government done a good job again baring in mind its something which we simply can not avoid ,

    Bollox. Look at other countries of similar population.

    Singapore 2 deaths.
    Finland 5 deaths.

    If we get up near 1,000 deaths, it will be a horrible indictment of the steps taken by those in charge.


  • #3156
    New Home
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Terrible, I hope cases in the south don't increase as the North levels off.

    Remember all those people who fled from the North the night before the lockdown? Wait and see...
    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    You equally don't get it.

    What do you think they should have done? Wheeled him through the hospital? Doctors and nurses treat him without full hazmat gear? Infect half the hospital and medical staff while at it?

    One infected covid 19 patient can infect directly or indirectly hundreds of others.

    They absolutely did the right thing. Ask Italian and Spanish doctors about making difficult decisions.

    If he had covid19 he should have been brought in, in a controlled way. ie full hazmat all round.

    I feel people continue to ignore the controlled approach message.

    There's a massive difference between waiting at home doing nothing or bringing someone into A&E while potentially infective. How about they're brought to hospital AFTER notifying A&E that they're on their way with a potential Covid-19 patient who has other life-threatening symptoms and when they get to hospital they ring again to tell them they've arrived?


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  • #3157
    ldy4mxonucwsq6
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    Xertz wrote: »
    That’s the other issue. People will die due to being unable to access A&E services or by staying away as they’re afraid to approach them.

    I could see a lot of people just attempting to grin and bear all sorts of symptoms. Nobody wants to go near a medical facility.

    A relative of mine did this exactly last week, still ended up in hospital eventually but much more serious than if they had have gone earlier.

    It has been advised through the media that people should not ignore ordinary illnesses or injuries for fear of seeking medical help.

    So please everyone look after yourselves, but if you are ill don't be afraid to go to your GP or the hospital (obviously for covid symptoms follow protocol).

    Don't ignore the small stuff because it can escalate to more serious health issues and there is no need to let it get that far.


  • #3158
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ


    I'm assuming Leo is going for the absolute worst case scenario when he suggests these things (and with good reason too). If we are at 1000 in a few weeks, we would have completely outstripped Italy in terms of absolutely making a balls of handling this situation (relative to population and ICU/person rate).


  • #3159
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭threeball


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

    1000 deaths here would make us worse than Italy pro-rata. I'd be very surprised if that figure is realised.


  • #3160
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Xertz wrote: »
    I’m hearing of two older folks who’ve passed away who are friends of friends of family. I don’t know them, but we’re all only 2 degrees of separation in a country this size.

    Just look out for your older relatives in particular. It’s horrible to hear those stories at any time and it’s a lot worse when you’re potentially self isolating alone.

    I learned today just how close to home this is. I'm from a rural village.


  • #3161
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Xertz wrote: »
    There are massive knock on effects to what’s going on in the major hospitals and it’s not all just those directly impacted. Many others are being put as risk due to the squeeze on facilities and staff.

    I suspect that this is a major issue in all the countries with high levels of the virus. Can you imagine the situation in Italy.

    Unfortunately, the virus is highest profile and therefore will be given highest priority. I suspect a lot of what you have mentioned is going on without proper communication.


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  • #3162
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    timhenn wrote: »
    Bollox. Look at other countries of similar population.

    Singapore 2 deaths.
    Finland 5 deaths.

    If we get up near 1,000 deaths, it will be a horrible indictment of the steps taken by those in charge.

    Is it over in those countries?


  • #3163
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    threeball wrote: »
    1000 deaths here would make us worse than Italy pro-rata. I'd be very surprised if that figure is realised.
    It's a number Holohan used for deaths over a flu' season and seemed to hint this could be similar.


  • #3164
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Which while horrific is not as bad as originally forecast

    Again as sad and horrific as this is people will die its just a matter of trying to keep the number as low as we possibly can

    Confirmed cases is a poor indicator now because of limited testing capacity.

    We need to look at the amount of people in hospital/ICU and unfortunately deaths as a more reliable means of knowing where we are with this/


  • #3165
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Red for Danger wrote: »
    Those flattening the curve maps aren't for adults their for the children something you can show them to help them sleep at night. Like all dogs go to heaven etc.

    It time for adults to start facing reality as facing into this thing with the with a practical approach is far better than burying your head in the sand.

    Also for those who are eager to sort out this wet market thing in china could you also sort out hunger in Africa, climate change and guns in America while ur at it.
    You'll have a busy summer.
    The amount of hibernating posters this crisis has brought out is quite staggering.


  • #3166
    timhenn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 514 ✭✭✭timhenn


    Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »
    Is it over in those countries?

    No! Not here either. And not by a long shot!


  • #3167
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    In case you missed it Leo said today that he expects all ICU beds to be at capacity within days and the death toll to be at least 1000 within the next few weeks.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-deaths-will-only-increase-in-coming-weeks-taoiseach-warns/ar-BB11NCWt?li=BBr5KbJ

    There's inconsistency on how this has been reported. RTE says he'd be surprised if there were less than 1000 deaths after the crisis. Big difference.


  • #3168
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    We've grinded down the health service for years whilst simultaneously overpending 4x on a children's hospital in the wrong location.

    Although I'm impressed with the Government response, I'm not confident that we are anywhere near moderately prepared for a crisis of this magnitude based on the above. One of the lowest ICU bed availability numbers per 100000 people confirms that.

    A high number of Health Staff already infected. Some tough weeks ahead.

    We all have a duty to do our bit and keep apart this weekend.


  • #3169
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    jackboy wrote: »
    I suspect that this is a major issue in all the countries with high levels of the virus. Can you imagine the situation in Italy.

    Unfortunately, the virus is highest profile and therefore will be given highest priority. I suspect a lot of what you have mentioned is going on without proper communication.

    They’re not wonderful at communication at the best of times.
    They need serious help with it to ensure they are managing these things as best as they can. Perhaps it’s an area where we should be seeking people who’ve been laid off from say public tourism bodies or whatever could be cleared to help with this stuff.

    While there’s a big crush at the front lines, there’s gargantuan organisational tasks need to be done in the background and, frankly, it’s not an area where our systems have been great performers even in in normal times. They need help and to facilitate and be willing to accept it.


  • #3170
    Ardent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭Ardent


    On a slightly related note -

    I'm pleased to see an email from BOI today offering support services for customers during this pandemic. They include payment breaks for mortgages and loans, banking services for people who are in self isolation and waiving fees for contactless payments.

    Nice one BOI. I hope other banks follow suit.


  • #3171
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    timhenn wrote: »
    No! Not here either. And not by a long shot!

    Well that's my point. How can you say they've been successful when we're both in the middle or beginning of the crisis?


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  • #3172
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭threeball


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's a number Holohan used for deaths over a flu' season and seemed to hint this could be similar.

    Yes but there are no measures taken to avoid flu bar a shot. If we shut down the country and end up with 1000 deaths then something has gone very wrong somewhere. Italy would need to get up to 13000 deaths to match us if that ends up the total. And they and Spain are supposedly the worse case scenario


  • #3173
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Our restrictions are too loose. Many businesses still operating as per usual.

    I hope we don't regret this half hearted decision. Even 2 weeks would help slow infection spread. Give our hospitals a chance. Leo has said we will be at max ICU capabilities in a few days. An European health body has also raised concern regarding Ireland's emergency healthcare system to cope


  • #3174
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    We've grinded down the health service for years whilst simultaneously overpending 4x on a children's hospital in the wrong location.

    Although I'm impressed with the Government response, I'm not confident that we are anywhere near moderately prepared for a crisis of this magnitude based in the above. One of the lowest ICU bed availability numbers per 100000 people confirms that.

    A high number of Health Staff already infected. Some tough weeks ahead.

    Commandeering the private hospitals was a good move and will help greatly.


  • #3175
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/1243494193630191618


  • #3176
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    kowloon wrote: »
    I had it a few years back and it went from going to lectures to needing a lie down to my housemates ringing an ambulance in less than a day.

    I've had it too and while it moves fast and simple injection of antibiotics and a two week course of antibiotics sorts it out very fast.


  • #3177
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Great website to use for visualization.

    https://www.covidvisualizer.com


  • #3178
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Xertz wrote: »
    That’s the other issue. People will die due to being unable to access A&E services or by staying away as they’re afraid to approach them.

    I could see a lot of people just attempting to grin and bear all sorts of symptoms. Nobody wants to go near a medical facility.

    True. It’s why anyone showing up at A&E these days needs to be taken seriously. They clearly feel strongly that they should be there.


  • #3179
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    threeball wrote: »
    1000 deaths here would make us worse than Italy pro-rata. I'd be very surprised if that figure is realised.

    Yes but 1000 deaths would still make it no worse than a bad flu season here.


  • #3180
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    hopkins now at 566,000
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    is it just me, or is the case rate accelerating?


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  • #3181
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    hopkins now at 566,000
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    is it just me, or is the case rate accelerating?

    Yes It’s exponential


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