CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 03:58PM

The talk about us possibly being in lockdown for years.

That's just not going to happen.
We'd lose just as many lives as peoples mental health deteriorates if we were to be in lockdown for years.

Hobgoblin11 · 27-03-2020 03:59PM

She doesn't use aeroplanes? Only travels on her boat! If we all did this this virus wouldn't be anywhere but China, think before you book next time! Save the planet while you are at it

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:59PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

China was warning the world as early as 11 weeks ago.

No they weren't. They didn't even lockdown Wuhan until January 23rd.
People going on here as if CHina has done an amazing job.

So just over 2 months ago and nobody expected it to become a pandemic like it has.
People saying that there's been loads of time is absolute rubbish.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:00PM

KiKi III wrote: »

No, I don’t want your logic. You’re a random nobody with zero expertise on the matter.

I want you to link to a credible source (epidemiologist, HSE or WHO rep, senior civil servant, government minister) who has said this is a possibility.

If not, stop scaring people with your nonsense.

The WHO advised it was fine to travel to and from Red Zones up to a couple of weeks ago. The HSE said you didn't need to self quarantine after returning from a red zone until you showed symptoms.

Smart people.

I was one of the few people on here who said we should ban flights to and from northern Italy.

Turns out I knew better than many of the experts you admire.

Dozens of Italy related cases later, turns out I was right. But then again you didn't need to be an expert, just to have common sense and follow very basic logic.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:01PM

murpho999 wrote: »

No they weren't. They didn't even lockdown Wuhan until January 23rd.
People going on here as if CHina has done an amazing job.

So just over 2 months ago and nobody expected it to become a pandemic like it has.
People saying that there's been loads of time is absolute rubbish.

Some reacted slower than others. Unfortunately for us, we were one of the slower ones.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 04:01PM

RobertKK wrote: »

In the same period the EU had 29.3k new cases.

EU has slightly less than double the population and a higher base rate of infections. It is growing a lot faster in the US, Eu was the center of infections worldwide 5 or 6 days ago, the US will be in about 4 or 5 days.

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 04:01PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The WHO advised it was fine to travel to and from Red Zones up to a couple of weeks ago. The HSE said you didn't need to self quarantine after returning from a red zone until you showed symptoms.

Smart people.

I was one of the few people on here who said we should ban flights to and from northern Italy.

Turns out I knew better than many of the experts you admire.

If only people would listen to me!

Supposing the posters on here listened to you - what would be different now?

Boggles · 27-03-2020 04:02PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Yup, 900 on order. I think it’s 300 immediately and 80 per week indefinitely from then.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/coronavirus-medtronic-aiming-to-make-500-ventilators-a-week-1.4212085?mode=amp

It doesn't say in that article they are supplying Ireland.

Mr Clark said that the Covid-19 outbreak created “an unprecedented human challenge, for sure, and it’s going to require an unprecedented response, and that’s why Medtronic is mobilising all of its capabilities and doing everything we can do to up the supply of ventilators around the world”.

The HSE has ordered 900 new ventilators to add to more than 500 already available in HSE-funded hospitals and more than 900 pieces of equipment or machines that provide respiratory support.

Paul Reid, HSE chief executive, said last week that the health service hopes to continue purchasing at a rate of 100 ventilators a week in response to the crisis.

From what I have read we are trying to get the bulk of ours from China. Which is fúcking bonkers.

whisky_galore · 27-03-2020 04:02PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

She doesn't use aeroplanes? Only travels on her boat! If we all did this this virus wouldn't be anywhere but China, think before you book next time! Save the planet while you are at it

The Black Plague and 1918 Flu managed to kill people in heaps of countries just fine without air travel.

Jinglejangle69 · 27-03-2020 04:02PM

timhenn wrote: »

Some reacted slower than others. Unfortunately for us, we were one of the slower ones.

Were you not banned a few days ago for doing exactly what you're doing now?

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:03PM

marilynrr wrote: »

The talk about us possibly being in lockdown for years.

That's just not going to happen.
We'd lose just as many lives as peoples mental health deteriorates if we were to be in lockdown for years.

I said we'd be in lockdown for years if we don't get an all encompassing vaccine and if we don't bring in a proper short term lockdown. If we manage both those conditions we could be out of lockdown within 2 months.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 04:04PM

murpho999 wrote: »

You're saying everything after the event.

It's very easy to say weeks ago things are going to be bad.

You go on as if the virus has been around for years.

The virus hit Italy in late February. It's not that long ago.

Looking back is not helping and time to get in with the job in hand which is isolatoin, distancing and caring for those that are sick.

Screaming "I told you so" constantly is just boring at this stage.

FFS - I said before we had our first case that not banning flights to Italy would mean trouble. How is that saying it after the event?

It was so obvious we were going to import cases from there.

We continued flights 2 weeks after our first Italian related case.

It wasn't just me - a number of doctors and experts here said we should ban flights long before they were grounded.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:05PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The WHO advised it was fine to travel to and from Red Zones up to a couple of weeks ago. The HSE said you didn't need to self quarantine after returning from a red zone until you showed symptoms.

Smart people.

I was one of the few people on here who said we should ban flights to and from northern Italy.

Turns out I knew better than many of the experts you admire.

Dozens of Italy related cases later, turns out I was right. But then again you didn't need to be an expert, just to have common sense and follow very basic logic.

This is the problem with society today. Blowhards thinking they know more than experts.

Shame you have nowhere better than boards to disperse your wisdom...

bekker · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

timhenn wrote: »

Where are you getting that from? Total deaths is the only accurate figure we have!

Totally agree, (caveat - reported deaths).

But gross comparisons between the numbers of reported deaths in different countries is what is virtually meaningless.

The initial R0 of a virus is it's potential for transmission, the practical R0 varies over time and is dependent on a number of factors which vary within countries let alone between countries.

e.g. GDA has population densities as high as 5,830/km2, city and suburbs avg.3,677/km2, whereas Leitrim has a density of 20/km2.

The effective R0 can be expected to be much higher in the denser areas of Dublin and suburbs, than Leitrim. That is just one factor.

Duke of Url · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

She doesn't use aeroplanes? Only travels on her boat! If we all did this this virus wouldn't be anywhere but China, think before you book next time! Save the planet while you are at it

Agreed. Book A Cruise on a Ship!

Oh wait............

Ace2007 · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So tell me Frank, list the top 5 bad decision...

Seems to be taking you a while to come up with 5 bad decisions...

bodhrandude · 27-03-2020 04:06PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sorry where is the evidence he was infected? And if he was infected he had no business showing up at a hospital. The advice is clear, ring your doctor, wait to be tested and then if you are severe enough you will be brought in, in a controlled manner.

Showing up in an A&E claiming you have covid19 is idiocy.

Kind of hard to ring your doctor when your having a heart attack, sounds like the lungs was full of fibrosis. This is going to be more common if they are not testing people properly. I can see some people getting angry with this and demanding a test or they'll torch the building, don't you.

rossie1977 · 27-03-2020 04:07PM

timhenn wrote: »

Did you look at that table? Have a look again, we're far from the middle of the table.

By the way, Singapore had their first case on 23rd of January - 2 deaths.
Finland 29th of January - 5 deaths.
Ireland 1st of March - 19 deaths.

You ignored my point earlier so

Ireland population 4.9 million, first Irish confirmed
case February 29th, deaths 19

Luxembourg population 600,000, first confirmed case February 29th, deaths 9

So once again based on your logic if Ireland is doing very badly a country with 1/8th our population and half our deaths is doing surely worst in Europe...

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:07PM

KiKi III wrote: »

This is the problem with society today. Blowhards thinking they know more than experts.

Shame you have nowhere better than boards to disperse your wisdom...

Can you answer this post, please?

timhenn wrote: »

Did you look at that table? Have a look again, we're far from the middle of the table.

By the way, Singapore had their first case on 23rd of January - 2 deaths.
Finland 29th of January - 5 deaths.
Ireland 1st of March - 19 deaths.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

It doesn't say in that article they are supplying Ireland.

From what I have read we are trying to get the bulk of ours from China. Which is fúcking bonkers.

I can’t find the article right now but Simon Harris said there is no way we would allow ventilators to be exported from Ireland to other countries and leave ourselves short

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:07PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

China was warning the world as early as 11 weeks ago.

Yep we've all been hearing about Coronavirus for months at this point it seems, lots of early conversations and jokes about it.
We didn't take it seriously, because we have never been through something like this before.
We had Swine flu, 3000+ cases, 20 deaths. The world didn't shut down. Ireland carried on as normal mostly. I was considered at risk because I was pregnant. Life was still pretty normal though with the exception of some hand sanitisers here and there.

I remember SARS being on the news, I was a teenager and remember seeing Chinese people in Ireland wearing masks over here, I also remember coughing one day and a Chinese person crossing the road to avoid me.

That's about the extent of my memory and experience of pandemics, life generally carries on as normal...and i'm sure it was the same for most people so to say we had loads of time and warnings is just pointless. We act and react based on what we know and our previous experiences.

Will we go straight into lockdown in 10 or 15 years if we hear of some new flu or SARS like virus? Who knows what way we'll react, but when that comes around we will have had the previous experience of COVID-19 in our memories and experiences so may react different to warnings about new viruses that have appeared!

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:09PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

You ignored my point earlier so

Ireland population 4.9 million, first Irish confirmed
case February 29th, deaths 19

Luxembourg population 600,000, first confirmed case February 29th, deaths 9

So once again based on your logic if Ireland is doing very badly a country with 1/8th our population and half our deaths is doing surely worst in Europe...

It's up to Luxemburg to sort out their state. I don't know what actions/inactions they took. From what we can see, they haven't done a very good job though have they?

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 04:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I said we'd be in lockdown for years if we don't get an all encompassing vaccine and if we don't bring in a proper short term lockdown. If we manage both those conditions we could be out of lockdown within 2 months.

If a vaccine could take years then there's no way we will stay in lockdown until a vaccine comes out. That just won't happen.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 04:09PM

timhenn wrote: »

Can you answer this post, please?

What do you want me to say Tim? I’m looking at the data and it shows we’re doing okay comparatively when we look at where other countries were at this point in the curve. Not amazingly well, but okay.

If you want to continue indulging your emotional outbursts instead of looking at things rationally and comparing like data with like, go ahead buddy.

But don’t expect me to listen to ya.

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 04:10PM

Am i being a Grinch in finding the Brits a bit weird with their 8pm clapping of the NHS ?

There's me thinking - well, if you had shut down all flights , closed the borders and put everyone on lockdown a month earlier , and stopped acting the bollocks by not going to the pub and visiting beaches , you wouldn't have the NHS overwhelmed.

ILoveYourVibes · 27-03-2020 04:11PM

marilynrr wrote: »

Yep we've all been hearing about Coronavirus for months at this point it seems, lots of early conversations and jokes about it.

I didn't i took it very seriously. I can look back on my twitter and there are posts about chinese drs and their hard work.

Hector Savage · 27-03-2020 04:11PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

Full video from doctor in Madrid after his request to share..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4

in tears watching this ....

EazyD · 27-03-2020 04:12PM

KiKi III wrote: »

No, I don’t want your logic. You’re a random nobody with zero expertise on the matter.

I want you to link to a credible source (epidemiologist, HSE or WHO rep, senior civil servant, government minister) who has said this is a possibility.

If not, stop scaring people with your nonsense.

https://youtu.be/XpHVrrIWe_o

EazyD · 27-03-2020 04:12PM

KiKi III wrote: »

No, I don’t want your logic. You’re a random nobody with zero expertise on the matter.

I want you to link to a credible source (epidemiologist, HSE or WHO rep, senior civil servant, government minister) who has said this is a possibility.

If not, stop scaring people with your nonsense.

https://youtu.be/XpHVrrIWe_o

Skip to 1.50.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 04:13PM

KiKi III wrote: »

What do you want me to say Tim? I’m looking at the data and it shows we’re doing okay comparatively when we look at where other countries were at this point in the curve. Not amazingly well, but okay.

If you want to continue indulging your emotional outbursts instead of looking at things rationally and comparing like data with like, go ahead buddy.

But don’t expect me to listen to ya.

We're nowhere near the middle of the table. We're 19th!

Singapore and Finland have similar population to us and got their first case of covid 19 long before us yet they have far fewer deaths.

Just showing you that we're not actually doing comparatively well. You can ignore that if you want to.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03