CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

FVP3 · 27-03-2020 03:44PM

Be right back wrote: »

I had wondered about her.

She might be in one of safest places on the Island.

Edit:

Well off the island. I suppose, on her own island

Ace2007 · 27-03-2020 03:46PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Take the flights off the Aer Lingus website. If they want to do cargo so be it.

I don't think you understand the problem of importing new travel related cases to be honest. It complicates an already impossible situation. We might all be in lockdown for years, but if you keep introducing new cases into the system, lockdown is pointless and only keeps getting extended.

Bring in cargo, but limit passengers and quarantine those who come in.

And in case people think I'm obsessed with flights, its just one of a number of things that need to be done, although probably the most important.

Frank give Joe Duffy a call there - i think they were looking for experts with free time on their hand to go on air -

owlbethere · 27-03-2020 03:46PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

What factors influenced the slowing down/stopping of each peak? What stopped it from just continuing, or what could stop covid19 from just continuing? Obviously we're in an exponential growth phase now, but social distancing/lockdown aside, what usually causes these to slow?

My understanding of the Spanish flu was that soldiers from world's war 1 were the main spreaders and the spread of the Spanish flu slowed down when the war ended.

27-03-2020 03:47PM

Matt Hancock is a bit of a cutie

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:47PM

timhenn wrote: »

Using what method? I've posted the death rates of countries in and around the same population as us. We're high up that table. I've posted that we have more deaths than countries with far bigger populations. Whatever way you want to look at it, things aren't good here. No point denying it.

You are not comparing like with like. Your figures and your conclusions are not accurate.

In the real world, it’s far too early to draw any major conclusions but based on the figures we have we are a our middle of the table

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:47PM

KiKi III wrote: »

You keep saying you’re not being melodramatic but you absolutely are.

Might be in lockdown for years? Please do let me know what your source is for that because Wuhan is getting back to normal after four months.

We might take a bit longer because of less drastic measures, but to expand that out to multiple years as you are is hysteria.

I'm not being melodramatic.

I suppose the doctors in Italy were being melodramatic when they tried to warn other European countries about what was coming weeks ago?

Realistically there is no vaccine for this for at least 12 months. By then it will actually be too late as the peak will have long passed with hundreds of thousands dead.

I'm pointing out the logical conclusion of bad decisions.

Its called telling the truth. I'm sorry if you think that someone saying things will get bad is being melodramatic. What do you want me to say? That it will be fine, we will be out of this in a few weeks? That would be a lie.

irishlad. · 27-03-2020 03:47PM

dougm1970 wrote: »

Full video from doctor in Madrid after his request to share..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4

Thats a shocking watch.

devnull · 27-03-2020 03:48PM

Latest UK Figures

Tested: 113,777
Negative: 99,198
Positive: 14,579 - up 2921 (+25.05%)
Deaths: 769 - up 185 (+31.31%)

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Frank give Joe Duffy a call there - i think they were looking for experts with free time on their hand to go on air -

No thanks. Sounds more like your type of program.

Mental Mickey · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

Trump really is deluded

Ace2007 · 27-03-2020 03:49PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not being melodramatic.

I suppose the doctors in Italy were being melodramatic when they tried to warn other European countries about what was coming weeks ago?

Realistically there is no vaccine for this for at least 12 months. By then it will actually be too late as the peak will have long passed with hundreds of thousands dead.

I'm pointing out the logical conclusion of bad decisions.

Its called telling the truth. I'm sorry if you think that someone saying things will get bad is being melodramatic. What do you want me to say? That it will be fine, we will be out of this in a few weeks? That would be a lie.

So tell me Frank, list the top 5 bad decision...

Muahahaha · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

Lady on Liveline right now with 3 family members all in ICU and she has an underlying condition herself. She said they are 40s to 50s. Very sad :mad:

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not being melodramatic.

I suppose the doctors in Italy were being melodramatic when they tried to warn other European countries about what was coming weeks ago?

Realistically there is no vaccine for this for at least 12 months. By then it will actually be too late as the peak will have long passed with hundreds of thousands dead.

I'm pointing out the logical conclusion of bad decisions.

Its called telling the truth. I'm sorry if you think that someone saying things will get bad is being melodramatic. What do you want me to say? That it will be fine, we will be out of this in a few weeks? That would be a lie.

Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear, I was looking for your source for saying we might be in lockdown for years, not more babble. Can you link it? Or simply admit that this is something you made up off the top of your head?

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not being melo dramatic.

To take a cool headed approach, the logical conclusion of unrestricted flights from a red zone is new coronavirus cases.

The "ah sure it will be grand, no need to worry" approach doesn't work.

You can't stop Irish people coming home, but they should be put in quarantine first when they arrive.

I'm just pointing out that a month from now because of decisions like this, we will have followed Spain and Italy. Don't say you weren't warned.

Of course they will be the usual hand wringing then and asking "if only".

I was proved right about Italian flights by the way. They led to all our early cases and community transmission. Unsurprising really as we had no plan to quarantine those returning.

All passengers are told to self isolate for 14 days.

Nobody is promoting "ah sure it'll be grand" approach
You need to stop going on about this. The numbers are tiny. There are also no fights coming from the US.

The virus in the community is the major issue now and that's were the focus should be.
You're not a genius for pointing stuff out a month ago, but even then stopping flights from "hot zones" would not have stopped it.

27-03-2020 03:50PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Quick update for anybody interested.

Was chatting with Graces7 and shes still with us, she is just taking a sabbatical from Boards.

She is still doing her blogs for anybody interested.

https://islandanchorhold.blogspot.com/

She lived on an island off Scotland before for years. I have met Graces before some years back. Very intetesting lady.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:50PM

devnull wrote: »

Latest UK Figures

Tested: 113,777
Negative: 99,198
Positive: 14,579 - up 2921 (+25.05%)
Deaths: 769 - up 185 (+31.31%)

The UK are about a week behind Italy and Spain.

Likely talking 500 a day dead there at some stage next week.

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:51PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So tell me Frank, list the top 5 bad decision...

1. planes
2. planes
3. planes
4. planes
5. planes

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:51PM

KiKi III wrote: »

You are not comparing like with like. Your figures and your conclusions are not accurate.

In the real world, it’s far too early to draw any major conclusions but based on the figures we have we are a our middle of the table

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Did you look at that table? Have a look again, we're far from the middle of the table.

By the way, Singapore had their first case on 23rd of January - 2 deaths.
Finland 29th of January - 5 deaths.
Ireland 1st of March - 19 deaths.

ILoveYourVibes · 27-03-2020 03:51PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sorry where is the evidence he was infected? And if he was infected he had no business showing up at a hospital. The advice is clear, ring your doctor, wait to be tested and then if you are severe enough you will be brought in, in a controlled manner.

Showing up in an A&E claiming you have covid19 is idiocy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-teenager-death-california-health-insurance-care-emergency-room-covid-19-a9429946.html

Los Angela county officials announced his death was due to corona.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/california-coronavirus-death-child.html

Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on Tuesday said the death, of a 17-year-old boy from Lancaster, Calif., was from the coronavirus. Hours later, it walked back that statement, saying the death would be further evaluated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It definitely looks like he had it when he died.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 03:51PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Mumy understanding of the Spanish flu was that soldiers from world's war 1 were the main spreaders and the spread of the Spanish flu slowed down when the war ended.

No it increased when the soldiers went home. BTW the true extent of deaths caused by the Spainish flu are not/nor will they ever been known. The German army did not record deaths by flu, I think I remember reading the only army that adequately did was the US army and they experienced more deaths from flu than from combat.

MrMusician18 · 27-03-2020 03:52PM

If you want to lose faith in humanity, I suggest people read this article. Some in the telegraph haven't moved on from the victorian era it seems. And that's before you get to the comments.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/26/lockdown-wests-berlin-wall-moment-elite-managerialism-collapses/

RobertKK · 27-03-2020 03:52PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

17k + new cases in the last 24hrs in the US , they are in deep trouble.

In the same period the EU had 29.3k new cases.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:52PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Sorry, maybe I wasn’t clear, I was looking for your source for saying we might be in lockdown for years, not more babble. Can you link it? Or simply admit that this is something you made up off the top of your head?

I can go through the logic with you if you want.

You tell me when you think the vaccine will be here? You obviously have some insight into this.

owlbethere · 27-03-2020 03:53PM

My fear now is if Boris Johnson gets a mild dose he might think all of this is an over exaggerated cold.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:54PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I'm not being melodramatic.

I suppose the doctors in Italy were being melodramatic when they tried to warn other European countries about what was coming weeks ago?

Realistically there is no vaccine for this for at least 12 months. By then it will actually be too late as the peak will have long passed with hundreds of thousands dead.

I'm pointing out the logical conclusion of bad decisions.

Its called telling the truth. I'm sorry if you think that someone saying things will get bad is being melodramatic. What do you want me to say? That it will be fine, we will be out of this in a few weeks? That would be a lie.

You're saying everything after the event.

It's very easy to say weeks ago things are going to be bad.

You go on as if the virus has been around for years.

The virus hit Italy in late February. It's not that long ago.

Looking back is not helping and time to get in with the job in hand which is isolatoin, distancing and caring for those that are sick.

Screaming "I told you so" constantly is just boring at this stage.

ILoveYourVibes · 27-03-2020 03:54PM

owlbethere wrote: »

My fear now is if Boris Johnson gets a mild dose he might think all of this is an over exaggerated cold.

He IS that stupid.

ILoveYourVibes · 27-03-2020 03:55PM

murpho999 wrote: »

You're saying everything after the event.

It's very easy to say weeks ago things are going to be bad.

You go on as if the virus has been around for years.

The virus hit Italy in late February. It's not that long ago.

Looking back is not helping and time to get in with the job in hand which is isolatoin, distancing and caring for those that are sick.

Screaming "I told you so" constantly is just boring at this stage.

China was warning the world as early as 11 weeks ago.

podgeandrodge · 27-03-2020 03:56PM

Lavinia wrote: »

Does anybody know if you get sore throat from corona virus does it get those white spots or not.
I read contradictory information on this.
Thanks a lot.

I haven't seen something specifically about this, interesting question though, I had those before and they sorta freak me out! Not currently though with a minor sore throat.

No harm in you asking questions, even if you get 'ring the doctor' answers, there's nothing wrong in getting opinions or other people's perspectives. Once you don't treat boardsies as an alternative for medical advice

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:56PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I can go through the logic with you if you want.

You tell me when you think the vaccine will be here? You obviously have some insight into this.

No, I don’t want your logic. You’re a random nobody with zero expertise on the matter.

I want you to link to a credible source (epidemiologist, HSE or WHO rep, senior civil servant, government minister) who has said this is a possibility.

If not, stop scaring people with your nonsense.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:57PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-teenager-death-california-health-insurance-care-emergency-room-covid-19-a9429946.html

Los Angela county officials announced his death was due to corona.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/california-coronavirus-death-child.html

It definitely looks like he had it when he died.

That's fine. Now again, it is really bad practice to show up at A&E or a hospital when infected as you risk infecting other patients and a fair amount of people working in the hospital. There's clear protocols around covid 19 that everyone needs to respect. Its unfortunate that he died but there are young people dying from it in every country.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03