CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

paul71 · 27-03-2020 03:15PM

scamalert wrote: »

a month from now government will pull the plug and we will be back to whatever is normal, virus or not people need to eat and pay bills, and welfare wont do that forever.

The current welfare scheme is in place for the next 12 weeks.

iguana · 27-03-2020 03:15PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Only nursing home death I know of was sunday at Elmgreen Nursing Home in Castleknock. Info in the papers

O'Holohan said yesterday that most of the 10 reported deaths had come from an 'institutional setting.' That sounds like a nursing home to me.

Cupatae · 27-03-2020 03:15PM

paul71 wrote: »

Did I say you? You are the one trying to be offended.

ok

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:16PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well do us all a favour and get on a plane and fly over there and you can tell us how great those countries are when you get there.

Why would I do that? Put myself and others at risk of picking this up. It just shows that other countries might be dealing with this crisis better.

Widdensushi · 27-03-2020 03:16PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

According to one of our louder economists - the free money can continue for about 3-4 months before it becomes unsustainable. Providing inflation remains negative/low - which it surely will.

We could be doing worse than borrowing at negative interest rates to be fair.

do you believe in the tooth fairy as well

derossi · 27-03-2020 03:16PM

On the recovered cases, surely the figure is much higher? The official figure must be from those recovered and released from hospital but the vast majority of the cases are those not needing hospitilisation and surely many of those will have recovered if based on 14 days isolation and that would be increasing every day?

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:17PM

timhenn wrote: »

Comparing the death rates is not impossible.

Yeah but the way you’re doing it is inaccurate.

To do it accurately you need to compare how many deaths Ireland had vs Denmark or Poland on day 1, day 7, day 10.

Comparing absolute numbers right now is not comparing like with like.

scamalert · 27-03-2020 03:17PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

According to one of our louder economists - the free money can continue for about 3-4 months before it becomes unsustainable. Providing inflation remains negative/low - which it surely will.

We could be doing worse than borrowing at negative interest rates to be fair.

theres no such thing as free, someone always has to pay. im not saying its bad that it drags on but long term Ireland could easily become like Spain or Italy unemployment will sky rocket, people used to bash about dole, dont see how half country will support other half when time comes to make up for lost expenses.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:17PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Different Day 1s does make a difference to deaths. Fewer deaths *today* doesn’t really mean anything if the virus has been here for two weeks and there for 5 days. As we have seen, 24 hours is a long time in the life of this virus.

As I said, the numbers will go up in other countries but here too. To be so far up the list for a tiny island, it's not good.

otnomart · 27-03-2020 03:17PM

timhenn wrote: »

We have more deaths than these countries with bigger populations:

Poland 37 million
Australia 24 million
Argentina 45 million
Israel 8 million
Morocco 36 million

I could go on. The number will rise in these countries but for an island, this does not make for good reading.

When a system has structural problems, a crisis such a pandemic can really play havoc with it.
Before this pandemic, Ireland was not exactly amongst the top Countries in Healthcare systems ranking.
This is just one example of ranking, i am sure there are several others.
https://ceoworld.biz/2019/08/05/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2019/

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:17PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

do you believe in the tooth fairy as well

Excellent retort -

Did you get the gaisce for debating too?

little bess · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

iguana wrote: »

O'Holohan said yesterday that most of the 10 reported deaths had come from an 'institutional setting.' That sounds like a nursing home to me.

Could be. I know of a nursing home in North County Dublin that has over 18 cases. These places are going to be devastated by Covid.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

timhenn wrote: »

We have more deaths than these countries with bigger populations:

Poland 37 million
Australia 24 million
Argentina 45 million
Israel 8 million
Morocco 36 million

I could go on. The number will rise in these countries but for an island, this does not make for good reading.

Most countries are a couple weeks into a pandemic and currently have relatively few deaths, 19 deaths here is still just a really tiny sample. Its simply much too small to be suggestive of any greater trend, for now its just an anomaly that may be suggestive of a trend. But you need a much large amount of data eon deaths and iCU and cases to properly be able to assess whether a country is actually dealing better or worse than another

Saying Denmark for example with 50 deaths is doing 'twice as badly' as Ireland is ridiculous. What if Ireland has 15 today, and Denmark doesnt today, in 24 hours has Ireland become just as bad at saving lives as Denmark? You could also say on with this kind of tiny amount of data that potentially Denarks mortality growth has dropped to zero while Irelands is now doubling daily. No its just with such a relatively tiny numbers of cases and deaths any changes will widly and unreliably swing the apparent mortality rates for better or worse, you cant make any genuine or valid assertions based on them at this stage.

Pencil Neck · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

Big jump in numbers in UK. Big jump

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CoronaHeadsUp/status/1243522679623364612

hang on - what?

so corona has jumped species from humans to cats?
yet another mutation?

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

MipMap wrote: »

Practical Question.

Staying locked down for a few weeks but want to make sure the car's battery doesn't go flat.

Am ok to take it for a drive once a week without getting out of the car.

Appreciate any advise

If you're inside the car you've no interaction so I don't see why you can't. In the utopia that some have planned for us you would, of course, be shot on sight.

Gynoid · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

AxleAddict wrote: »

Amongst all the chaos and disruption, I thought this was sweet:

https://twitter.com/katiekins76/status/1243259462959464450

Damn you, ya made me cry.

cnocbui · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think people should be much more aware of the difference between clinical medicine as practised by GPs and hospitals. They are concerned with the outcome of each patient, and they do their best to get the best outcome for that patient.

Public health is a different discipline. It is concerned with the best outcome for the population as a whole. The current testing regime is providing vital information to the CMO with respect to public health. It is not concerned with individuals per se, but the severity of the symptoms, the precise symptoms, the number of contacts, and where they occurred. It is this information and its precise detail that is used to direct the regime that is needed to get the best outcome.

Those who are infected will be infected and may or may not require intervention. That will be obvious to the patient and the health service. It might be nice for people to know they are infected or not, but they still need to follow guide lines anyway.

If everyone follows the guide-lines wrt washing hands, cough etiquette, and keeping their distance, the spread of the virus will be lowered such that the health service will be able to cope. Testing does nothing to change that.

We are so programmed to expect the magic potion that will cure us. There is no magic potion - keep well by keeping well away from others.

A Dr in the US was asking on Twitter yesterday for anyone who had tested positive but had mild/no symptoms, with a view to getting such a person's blood plasma with which to treat her relative who was on a ventilator.

So there might soon be more than an academic interest in knowing who has tested positive but hasn't had it seriously in order to obtain anti-body laced plasma to treat the worst cases with.

Widdensushi · 27-03-2020 03:18PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Excellent retort -

Did you get the gaisce for debating too?

could you answer the question please

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:19PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Riddled , please stop.

Also what makes you think all these riddled people are coming here.

Maybe we should do the opposite and fly all our riddle Irish people out of the country.

NY had 25,000 cases on Tuesday. According to the governor, it will double every 3 days.
50,000 cases today, 100,000 by Monday.
And that's confirmed cases. Scientific experts have said the general rule of thumb is the prevalence of covid19 is likely 10 times the number of confirmed cases.

You can read about New York here.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/24/820891370/coronavirus-n-y-infection-rate-is-doubling-about-every-3-days-cuomo-says

You can't flatten a curve when you import new cases, its page 1 paragraph 1 stuff when it comes to solving this.

You probably think it was a bad idea to ban flights to and from Northern Italy?

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:19PM

scamalert wrote: »

theres no such thing as free, someone always has to pay. im not saying its bad that it drags on but long term Ireland could easily become like Spain or Italy unemployment will sky rocket, people used to bash about dole, dont see how half country will support other half when time comes to make up for lost expenses.

Agree, but if it stops people topping themselves en masse right now I'll take a few % of a tax rise later on. We're going to be in the shite after all this regardless so why not make it a little bit less unbearable to live through?

fly_agaric · 27-03-2020 03:19PM

scamalert wrote: »

a month from now government will pull the plug and we will be back to whatever is normal, virus or not people need to eat and pay bills, and welfare wont do that forever.

Why wait? Are you not out and about as normal getting + receiveing the infection and doing your bit for our economy? :pac:
Somehow I'm always reading these stream of consciousness posts you make in a Trump voice!

Ardent · 27-03-2020 03:19PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CoronaHeadsUp/status/1243522679623364612

Yup, was already reported in medical journals that this virus affects cat, bats and humans, among others.

Sam Russell · 27-03-2020 03:19PM

kowloon wrote: »

Looking at the Swiss numbers, I think there might be a run on the Toblerones soon.

The Swiss Toblerones are 400 gram while the UK are only 360 gram since the UK shrinkflation attack they had.

We need the Swiss ones!

Ace2007 · 27-03-2020 03:20PM

timhenn wrote: »

As I said, the numbers will go up in other countries but here too. To be so far up the list for a tiny island, it's not good.

Give it a break lad, like seriously what benefit has it got being so negative?

What do you want to achieve by constantly going on about it??

I'd say you be great craic to hang out with in normally setting

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:20PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

could you answer the question please

What question? All I saw was a statement, of sorts..

27-03-2020 03:20PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

hang on - what?

so corona has jumped species from humans to cats?
yet another mutation?

And with everything shut down, they're doing autopsies on cats too..

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:20PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Yeah but the way you’re doing it is inaccurate.

To do it accurately you need to compare how many deaths Ireland had vs Denmark or Poland on day 1, day 7, day 10.

Comparing absolute numbers right now is not comparing like with like.

No,it's showing the current situation. Poland had their first case on the 4th of March, Ireland on the first. As I said, this is not good.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 03:20PM

181 new deaths in the UK.

stockshares · 27-03-2020 03:21PM

Pencil Neck wrote: »

Big jump in numbers in UK. Big jump

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03