CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Boggles · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

KiKi III wrote: »

The government has requisitioned all private hospitals and their ventilators, and has hundreds on order from Medtronic in Galway who have shifts working 24/7 to cater to the demand.
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Have we?

cnocbui · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

MipMap wrote: »

Practical Question.

Staying locked down for a few weeks but want to make sure the car's battery doesn't go flat.

Am ok to take it for a drive once a week without getting out of the car.

Appreciate any advise

Absolutely not a problem.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

timhenn wrote: »

We have more deaths than these countries with bigger populations:

Poland 37 million
Australia 24 million
Argentina 45 million
Israel 8 million
Morocco 36 million

I could go on. The number will rise in these countries but for an island, this does not make for good reading.

Give it a month. All countries are working off different Day 1s and are reporting their numbers differently. It’s hard to compare.

FVP3 · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

cnocbui wrote: »

In 2018, NZ had 3.82 million tourists visit while Ireland had 3.8 million.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/tourists-visits-to-ireland-up-7-6-in-2018-1.3545808?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Ftravel%2Ftourists-visits-to-ireland-up-7-6-in-2018-1.3545808

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/annual-visitor-arrivals-up-more-than-1-2-million-in-five-years

https://www.tourismireland.com/Research/Overseas-Tourism-and-Tourism-Ireland-Key-Facts

11.2M (for the island of Ireland).

Be right back · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Hmm let me see? Because London, Netherlands and New York are riddled with coronavirus. Good enough.

Stop using the "they are only cargo planes" nonsense. Anyone is free to book a ticket on them. If they were cargo they'd be taken off the website.

Like I said a month from now we will be in deep sh*t because of this.

Maybe people are free to book but why would they want to? The majority of places are in lockdown and if you were to fly somewhere, you might find it difficult to get back. At the very least, you would be asked to self isolate..

An Ciarraioch · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Look above the login button:

"The new figures, released on Wednesday, show the State had a total of 3.8 million visitors from overseas so far this year"

Which was up until May that year - 11.2m was correct for 2019, as per CSO figures.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 03:09PM

murpho999 wrote: »

You do realise it's most likely Irish people travelling home that brought the virus initially.

If they stopped Italian flights then Irish people would have gone to another country to get a flight home.

You cannot stop Irish people coming home.
It's was also impossible to stop the virus coming here.

You're being melo-dramatic about the deaths.

The virus is here now in the population. Near empty flights coming in are not the problem and you should stop going on about it.

Not being melo dramatic.

To take a cool headed approach, the logical conclusion of unrestricted flights from a red zone is new coronavirus cases.

The "ah sure it will be grand, no need to worry" approach doesn't work.

You can't stop Irish people coming home, but they should be put in quarantine first when they arrive.

I'm just pointing out that a month from now because of decisions like this, we will have followed Spain and Italy. Don't say you weren't warned.

Of course they will be the usual hand wringing then and asking "if only".

I was proved right about Italian flights by the way. They led to all our early cases and community transmission. Unsurprising really as we had no plan to quarantine those returning.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

paul71 wrote: »

And defaming companies who may have no choice. I have the irony today of reviewing with the directors of my company ways of getting people back to work. We had to discount it because the €350 payment they currently receive in social welfare would mean they effectively would be coming back to work for about €1 an hour.

Social media generates an awful lot of dumb bravado and it gives the permanently outraged amongst us an outlet.

10000maniacs · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

Tony EH wrote: »

He didn't give a fuck about other people getting a couple of weeks ago.

His original "herd immunity" policy was an incredibly inept and heartless strategy. Probably instigated by Cummins.

murpho999 · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Hmm let me see? Because London, Netherlands and New York are riddled with coronavirus. Good enough.

Stop using the "they are only cargo planes" nonsense. Anyone is free to book a ticket on them. If they were cargo they'd be taken off the website.

Like I said a month from now we will be in deep sh*t because of this.

Riddled , please stop.

Also what makes you think all these riddled people are coming here.

Maybe we should do the opposite and fly all our riddle Irish people out of the country.

trashcan · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

paleoperson wrote: »

I never thought I'd get to the point where I'd be rationing garlic, it's so cheap and you get so much together. But it's sold out and I don't know when it's going to be back in stock.

Is garlic the new toilet paper ?

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Get lost. A small number of my posts have been about planes and the absolutely idiocy of those who think its a good idea to fly in new coronavirus cases when we can't cope with the ones we have already.

No! Come on, nearly every post from you is about feckin planes man, we get it.

A post on this thread every 5 mins about the same thing isn't going to chance diddly squat, the powers that be aren't taking this thread as advice when making decisions on a national basis.

We're going into deep shit regardless of planes and boats landing.

Either way - if we locked down all air & boat travel back in the end of feb when you first suggested - we might have taken on less cases than we do right now - but what then? We actually need coronavirus 19 to slowly burn through the population anyway - just slowly, which we're trying to ensure by closing down half the country and doing serious measures for social distancing to stop the spread - if it didn't get in now, it would get in and spread once any blockade is lifted because there is no natural immunity!

An Ciarraioch · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

Six deaths in Wales today.

whiskeyman · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

We are a few weeks away from having to decide who gets ventilators as is. Some counties have only one or two ventilators.

Days

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0327/1126691-coronavirus-ireland/

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has warned that intensive care units may be at capacity "within a few days".

iwillyeah1234 · 27-03-2020 03:10PM

ok.. i've dug it up. seems like they might have picked it up from luggage. not cargo.

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/coronavirus-heathrow-baggage-handlers/

but still - it's another reason to be extremely cautious about what incoming flights you are allowing.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:11PM

KiKi III wrote: »

Give it a month. All countries are working off different Day 1s and are reporting their numbers differently. It’s hard to compare.

This is deaths. There is no reporting differently on deaths. Either people die or they don't. It doesn't make for good reading does it?

rossie1977 · 27-03-2020 03:11PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I can use other examples if you like Norway, Finland, Singapore....

New Zealand is a top tourist destination which is close to Australia.

Close. I was just there in November. Its a 3.5 hour flight from New Zealand to the nearest major metros ie Sydney and Melbourne.

Akin to saying Ireland is close to Ukraine or Western Russia.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

Have we?

Yup, 900 on order. I think it’s 300 immediately and 80 per week indefinitely from then.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/coronavirus-medtronic-aiming-to-make-500-ventilators-a-week-1.4212085?mode=amp

scamalert · 27-03-2020 03:11PM

a month from now government will pull the plug and we will be back to whatever is normal, virus or not people need to eat and pay bills, and welfare wont do that forever.

podgeandrodge · 27-03-2020 03:12PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Who wouldn't gloat at Boris getting it

I wouldn't.

10000maniacs · 27-03-2020 03:12PM

scamalert wrote: »

a month from now government will pull the plug and we will be back to whatever is normal, virus or not people need to eat and pay bills, and welfare wont do that forever.

No they won't.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 03:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

Have we?

900 ordered and Medtronic would be an obvious source.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0320/1124290-covid-19-coronavirus-health/

bekker · 27-03-2020 03:12PM

Comparing COVID-19 figures in different countries is virtually meaningless with so many variables in play, even before factoring in the differences in recording methodologies.

Here are the 12 worst death rates derived from total deaths and deaths/recovered over a group of 36 countries in Europe, US and Hubei, based on different approaches to ranking them.

They're of no validity for anything other that tracking the trends in the increase/decrease of individual countries (and even then only as long as their recording methodologies remain consistent).

Ace2007 · 27-03-2020 03:13PM

timhenn wrote: »

We have more deaths than these countries with bigger populations:

Poland 37 million
Australia 24 million
Argentina 45 million
Israel 8 million
Morocco 36 million

I could go on. The number will rise in these countries but for an island, this does not make for good reading.

Well do us all a favour and get on a plane and fly over there and you can tell us how great those countries are when you get there.

KiKi III · 27-03-2020 03:13PM

timhenn wrote: »

This is deaths. There is no reporting differently on deaths. Either people die or they don't. It doesn't make for good reading does it?

Different Day 1s does make a difference to deaths. Fewer deaths *today* doesn’t really mean anything if the virus has been here for two weeks and there for 5 days. As we have seen, 24 hours is a long time in the life of this virus.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 03:13PM

https://twitter.com/CoronaHeadsUp/status/1243522679623364612

Tacitus Kilgore · 27-03-2020 03:13PM

scamalert wrote: »

a month from now government will pull the plug and we will be back to whatever is normal, virus or not people need to eat and pay bills, and welfare wont do that forever.

According to one of our louder economists - the free money can continue for about 3-4 months before it becomes unsustainable. Providing inflation remains negative/low - which it surely will.

We could be doing worse than borrowing at negative interest rates to be fair.

paul71 · 27-03-2020 03:13PM

Cupatae wrote: »

im defaming companies? wha? i pointed out that it is happening i didnt say if it was right or wrong, just that people are pissed and "naming and shaming".

You are really trying to be offended.

Did I say you? You are the one trying to be offended.

NH2013 · 27-03-2020 03:14PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Hmm let me see? Because London, Netherlands and New York are riddled with coronavirus. Good enough.

Stop using the "they are only cargo planes" nonsense. Anyone is free to book a ticket on them. If they were cargo they'd be taken off the website.

Like I said a month from now we will be in deep sh*t because of this.

Well let me put it to you this way, 1/3 of Irish adults are dependent on long term prescription medicines, of which between 60-70% of which are imported from abroad.

That means that of the aprox 3.2m adults in this country almost a million are dependent on medicines, 700,000 of which are medicines that come in from abroad, from asthma, to diabetes, to blood thinners etc.

Should we deprive those 700,000 people of their medicines being imported on these mostly cargo flights in order to stop the potentially 3-4 people on the flights arriving, who'll have to quarantine for 14 days anyways.

timhenn · 27-03-2020 03:14PM

bekker wrote: »

Comparing COVID-19 figures in different countries is virtually impossible with so many variables in play, even before factoring in the differences in recording methodologies.

Here are the 12 worst death rates derived from total deaths and deaths/recovered over a group of 36 countries in Europe, US and Hubei, based on different approaches to ranking them.

They're of no validity for anything other that tracking the trends in the increase/decrease of individual countries (and even then only as long as their recording methodologies remain consistent).

Comparing the death rates is not impossible.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03