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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #2432
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Simon Harris on RTE Junior now and doing really well answering kids questions

    I was never his biggest fan but he has stepped up to this challenge really well


  • #2433
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Lets argue about the hypocrisy of it all when we are all infected shall we?

    Or on the otherhand lets look to successful models on how this can be fought?

    Its amazing when faced with a crisis, some people spend far more time pointing fingers and blaming, than working on a solution.

    The political model in China is actually irrelevant. What is relevant is what they did and the lessons to be learned.


    China was downplaying the seriousness of the virus to the outside world (saving their international images and its export economy), I think this is the major reason why European and US governments did not take "decisive actions" from end of January - end of February.


  • #2434
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    as for mask shortage, here is one solution





    https://twitter.com/peterfreed/status/1242629357211987968

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2435
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    mick987 wrote: »
    The only difference between the UK and Irish Governments is the UK government said herd immunity and we did not, both doing the same things at slightly different time scales

    Our testing approach is different.

    We closed things down 10-14 days ahead of them That's more than slight.
    Testing strategy also very different.

    Their population is denser than ours so that time difference is huge and given the virus more time to multiply among the masses.

    Ireland has not shown any signs of a herd immunity approach.

    Time will tell but I predict the death rate per 100,000 people will be much larger in the UK than here.


  • #2436
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,864 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They have 53 new cases so far today. They seem, like us, at the start of the curve.

    Not necessarliy so, they had ther first case mid February :-

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

    As I said, give it week, and see how it plays.


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  • #2437
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1243515606147772417?s=20


  • #2438
    megabomberman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭megabomberman


    Luke O'Neill talking manure on Newstalk right now, I wish he would just stop, every take he provides is just terrible.


  • #2439
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    Kerry25x wrote: »
    Do they need to have refrigerated vans I wonder?

    Not if you're doing individual runs

    I don't bring my shopping home in a refrigerated van!


  • #2440
    [Deleted User]
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Yes but the group must keep social distancing. People have to take responsibility themselves on this.

    I don't think 'herd immunity' is any part of the Irish thinking at all.

    Britain and Netherlands did and it has failed.

    Okay, the word ‘herd immunity’ is misleading. But the general concept that you can’t stop this (and indeed that shouldn’t be the aim) but rather that you should manage the pace of its spread is exactly what the Irish thinking is. The same as the UK and Sweden and the Netherlands. The only differences are the tools that are used to manage the pace of spread, and how much the curve is to be flattened


  • #2441
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Germany hopes to begin antibody testing on 100,000 random citizens in order to assess how widespread the pandemic is and the true death rate. If approved the tests may be completed by the end of April and depending on the result schools and mass gatherings may begin again.


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  • #2442
    Jostef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Jostef


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Same reasons, I doubt few are familiar with HACCP, and fewer refrigerated trucks. Grand for most ambient food but not for fresh and refrigerated. Food companies themselves have to jump through hoops when it comes to usage of cages and the likes.

    I doubt HACCP would be needed for delivery. Even if it was, a quick training course wouldn't be a problem.
    As for refrigerated trucks, just use the ones Tesco already use. It's drivers they need, not transport.


  • #2443
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    silverharp wrote: »
    as for mask shortage, here is one solution





    https://twitter.com/peterfreed/status/1242629357211987968

    I don't know any oven which can go as low as 70 degrees celsius or 158 degrees fahrenheit


  • #2444
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    megabomberman wrote: »
    Luke O'Neill talking manure on Newstalk right now, I wish he would just stop, every take he provides is just terrible.

    Professor Luke O'Neil? I listened to him, what issues with what he said do you have?


  • #2445
    DOCARCH
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They have 53 new cases so far today. They seem, like us, at the start of the curve.

    Sweden are another country who limit testing (similar policy to UK).


  • #2446
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    Not if you're doing individual runs

    I don't bring my shopping home in a refrigerated van!

    You're not a retailer, nodoby cares what happens to the food once you pay for it and leave the store. It's completely different for retailer.


  • #2447
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    1. Is Johnny trained? Manual handling training, risk assessment training, COVID-19 training etc.
    - Yes - Johnny will have to have already received that from working in the shop next door.

    2. Is Johnny's car insured for business purposes?
    - Easily solved

    3. Who is responsible for the maintenance of Johnny's car?
    - It's part of his agreed salary

    4. Tesco don't know about Johnny's driving history? Is he a safe driver? Has he a heap of penalty points etc.
    - If he has a full drivers license, he is legally a safe driver. Penalty Points are easily checked

    5. Is Johnny's car/vehicle temperature controlled? Can't have cold-chain perishables sitting in the back of a car on a sunny day.
    - Unnecessary for individual delivers. Nobody brings their shopping home in a temperature controlled vehicle


  • #2448
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    China was downplaying the seriousness of the virus to the outside world (saving their international images and its export economy), I think this is the major reason why European and US governments did not take "decisive actions" from end of January - end of February.

    Are you living in some sort of alternative Universe ?

    The media were full of the story about the largest quarantine ever in Wohan. The WHO were saying that this was a global threat in January too.

    That is the poorest excuse ever for governments inaction to the obvious danger.


  • #2449
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    The Irony of Ironies. Mexico urging its Citizens in the US not to return. Will Mexico now stop US refugees fleeing into Mexico?


  • #2450
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Jostef wrote: »
    I doubt HACCP would be needed for delivery.

    All food handling requires HACCP. Your chipper delivery guy may have little knowledge, but the likes of Tesco, Dunnes etc would.


  • #2451
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Simon Harris on RTE Junior now and doing really well answering kids questions

    I was never his biggest fan but he has stepped up to this challenge really well

    That's what years of listening to only negative stories from the media and opposition does.

    Now they have nothing to whinge about we can see the good work our representatives actually do.


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  • #2452
    Tea Shock
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    You're not a retailer, nodoby cares what happens to the food once you pay for it and leave the store. It's completely different for retailer.


    A retailer has plenty of employees just like Johnny touching the food before it reaches the customer - including delivery drivers

    My sister worked in a bakery years ago where she saw employees (on premise) snotting the produce for the criac!


  • #2453
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    RugbyLad11 wrote: »
    I don't know any oven which can go as low as 70 degrees celsius or 158 degrees fahrenheit

    ours does 50C

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #2454
    iguana
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Yes but the group must keep social distancing. People have to take responsibility themselves on this.

    I don't think 'herd immunity' is any part of the Irish thinking at all.

    Britain and Netherlands did and it has failed.

    Herd immunity is somewhat quietly a part of our plan. We are working to slow the spread not stop it. Slowing it means that people are being still being infected and are still passing it about just at a slower pace. Most people who recover probably have at least several years of immunity. When reliable antibody testing becomes available, it's very likely that we will start to test en masse for it and knowing whatever percentage of the population has immunity will form part of public health policy in the nearish future.


  • #2455
    Yurt2
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    Party political broadcast online front at it again


  • #2456
    AtomicHorror
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    megabomberman wrote: »
    Luke O'Neill talking manure on Newstalk right now, I wish he would just stop, every take he provides is just terrible.

    I used to run into him a lot at conferences and worked with a lot of people in his broader circle. He does know his stuff about immunology, but he's also one heck of a spoofer and very hard to listen to sometimes.


  • #2457
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Tea Shock wrote: »
    A retailer has plenty of employees just like Johnny touching the food before it reaches the customer - including delivery drivers

    My sister worked in a bakery years ago where she saw employees (on premise) snotting the produce for the criac!

    And they're all trained in HACCP, as well as their employers being audited for the training records by EHOs.


  • #2458
    Jostef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 ✭Jostef


    Hurrache wrote: »
    All food handling requires HACCP. Your chipper delivery guy may have little knowledge, but the likes of Tesco, Dunnes etc would.

    These are strange and unusual times. I think HACCP regs could be temporarily dropped. I for one would much prefer a delivery from a person untrained in food safety than have to risk going to the supermarket!


  • #2459
    RugbyLad11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭RugbyLad11


    silverharp wrote: »
    ours does 50C

    Mine doesn't go below gas mark 1(140 degrees C)


  • #2460
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    Lads I know this seems so selfish, but I'm hearing of more and more Irish people in England especially London all panicking and planning to come home

    My God what will they bring with them :(


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  • #2461
    megabomberman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭megabomberman


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Professor Luke O'Neil? I listened to him, what issues with what he said do you have?

    Firstly, he suggested that we should give up testing for covid and forget contact tracing, which is just totally wrong at this point. To slow the spread we need good testing and isolation protocols in line with South Korea, Singapore, China and Taiwan.

    He was suggesting we should move to antibody testing at this stage which makes absolutely no sense, we have literally 5 people confirmed people who have recovered from the illness compared to nearly 2,000 people confirmed sick. Sick people generally show symptoms so are easier to identify. How at this point are we going to go about finding the bare few people who have had and recovered from the virus and what good does it do us?

    He then apparently advocated a two tier system whereby recovered people go about their daily lives where the rest stay locked up. Impossible to manage and provides an incentive for people to get the virus for their 'pass'.

    Finally he said Africa was the place to watch. A continent with by far the lowest population of elderly and a place where they already grapple with all manner of deadlier diseases and causes of death. It is countries like India, Turkey, Mexico and Brazil that are the places to watch, granted a few North African states will suffer badly.

    He was touting vaccines by September and Trump's favourite untested drug a week ago, he's touting some antibody transfer system this time around.

    He is simply infuriating.


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