CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 12:55PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Keep an eye on it. Are you working from home or in a workplace? If in a workplace, inform HR and your manager if you suspect you might have something and they will advise. If symptoms get worse, call your GP. And also avoid friends until you are sure you don't have it.

I'm working at home ,I haven't had any symptoms since, i woke up this morning no cold or nothing but still avoiding anyone but immediate the family group ,

darjeeling · 27-03-2020 12:57PM

As if dogs and celebs weren't bad enough - it's in cats now!!! :eek:

Cat infected with coronavirus by owner in Wallonia
A cat has been infected with the coronavirus for the first time in our country. This was reported by the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine of the University of Liège. The animal lived in close contact with its owner.

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/kat-besmet-met-coronavirus-door-baasje-in-wallonie~a264b11e/

... and the media is about to go into another frenzy. Just wait till the Express gets hold of it.

virologist Steven Van Gucht: “It was diarrhea, vomiting and breathing difficulties. The researchers found the virus in the cat's feces."

Oh, the glamour of science.

skellig_rocks · 27-03-2020 12:58PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China now banning all but the bare minimum of flights into the country to prevent a second wave of infections. Showing decisive leadership again.

hypocritical...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Coronavirus: China accuses US of causing panic and 'spreading fear'

It follows the US decision to declare a public health emergency and deny entry to foreign nationals who had visited China in the past two weeks. - 3 February 2020

In a news briefing on Monday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said the US actions "could only create and spread fear" instead of offering assistance.

She said the US was the first country to impose a travel ban on Chinese travellers and the first to suggest a partial withdrawal of its embassy staff.

"It is precisely developed countries like the US with strong epidemic prevention capabilities... that have taken the lead in imposing excessive restrictions contrary to WHO recommendations," Ms Hua said, according to a Reuters report.

CitizenFloor · 27-03-2020 12:58PM

pH wrote: »

Surely this is expected? Imagine we're on day n of an outbreak and today 100 new people are infected. The people infected over the last 10 days should look something like (not exact figures based on covid-19, just an example).

n = 100 (new infections today)
n-1 = 80
n-2 = 64
n-3 = 52
n-4 = 41
n-5 = 33
n-6 =23
n-7 =21
n-8 = 17
n-9 = 13

So if you don't show symptoms until 5 days after you become infected, and if we tested all these people today we would find:

Infected 440
Symptomatic (those infected in days n-5 to n-9) 107
Asymptomatic (those infected in days n to n-4) 337

Obviously these are not exact figures based on exactly when people normally show symptoms for covid-19, they are just indicative that when the number of cases is increasing exponentially to you would expect to see a high number of asymptomatic cases (who will most likely go on to be symptomatic in the next few days)

I think there is a difference between presymptomatic vs asymptomatic. Not sure if that is accounted for, or if its possible to capture data.

thebaz · 27-03-2020 12:58PM

Interesting article on Sweden - they have basically kept things open, except gathering over 500 and asked people to behave sensibly :-
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

This goes against the trend of nearly every other country , and yet ther statistics are not that bad - 2,800 cases :-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I assume they are adopting the herd immunity plan, and thus assume number of cases are much higher .
By keeping society open they will reduce other social, economic and medical problems, medical staff can continue to put ther children to school/childcare whilst they work.
Be intersting to watch how this plays out.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 12:59PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Could it be the case that very cold or freezing conditions can kill off the virus in the environment maybe?

There was community transmission in february in many countries with cold continental climates so its unlikely

Hamsterchops · 27-03-2020 12:59PM

Tony EH wrote: »

He didn't give a fuck about other people getting a couple of weeks ago.

What kind of crap is that :rolleyes:
Honestly, little keyboard warriors with little knowledge.

Christy42 · 27-03-2020 12:59PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Or there are much more pessimistic potential outcomes. Just saying, because all your suggested outcomes are that we do build up immunity, when there is no evidence of this. An RNA virus can quickly modify itself so it damages the immune system.

Pretty much all of modern medicine on viruses is based off building an immunity. HIV is a special case that caused a massive amount of damage for something that is relatively hard to spread (relative to things like Corona) etc. because it goes against what modern medicine deals with effectively (as well as stigma limiting the response)

Rob A. Bank · 27-03-2020 12:59PM

Christy42 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Did I say otherwise. I discussed China's reaction this outbreak. I didn't say the West has been great to whistleblowers (I would have McCabe and leave off Assange but the point is the same). Someone talked about China reacting quickly. I said this was wrong. I really don't get what Chelsea Manning has to do with China's reaction to the Corona virus

Dr Li's post on December 30th 2019, warning his friends about 7 patients in his hospital with a Sars like pneumonia, was posted widely on the Chinese equivalent of Facebook. It included the patients notes and CT scan.

He was later ticked off by the local security police and went back to work in his hospital the same day.

December 31, 2019…Chinese Health officials inform the WHO about a cluster of 41 patients with a mysterious pneumonia.

Where is the delay ?

You do realize that China and the USA are both involved in a disinformation war against each other. You have to take everything they say about one another with a BIG pinch of salt.

ironingbored · 27-03-2020 01:00PM

RubyK wrote: »

Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

https://twitter.com/i/events/1243498002771095552

I herd he was immune.

Any excuse not to see his 5, 6 or 7 kids I suppose.

Tea Shock · 27-03-2020 01:00PM

Loughc wrote: »

Only seen this now as this thread moves far too quickly especially after figure annoucements, firstly if I do that and get sacked all I can do is take him to the labour court, max pay out there is 2 years salary and it takes years to even get a case and settlement completed.

Secondly Tesco would not be interested in hiring me, I'd get the whole "overqualified" "would leave as soon as a job opens up in your field" etc

So it really isn't as easy as you make it sound.

Tesco would be more than happy to hire staff that will want to leave as soon the crisis is over. That's exactly who they should want!

The missus tells me our local Tesco home deliver service is booked up solid for the next 2 or 3 weeks. I don't understand why they're not hiring Johnny who lost his job from the shop next door to use his own vehicle to make deliveries for them, until his shop reopens - at which time, they won't need him anymore.

Everyone wins! Tesco, their customers, Johnny and the exchequer!

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 01:01PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Or there are much more pessimistic potential outcomes. Just saying, because all your suggested outcomes are that we do build up immunity, when there is no evidence of this. An RNA virus can quickly modify itself so it damages the immune system.

The mutation rate remains to be established firmly, but so far it doesn't appear to be exceptional. The reason that, for example, influenza mutates fast is less to do with it being an RNA virus and more to do with its segmented "modular" genome that allows recombination when someone gets co-infection with two strains.

I'm open to correction, but my understanding is that coronavirus has a single RNA strand and cannot do this trick.

Coronavirus spreads very easily and has a nasty mortality rate, but there's no reason to assume the laws of immunity are going to break down for this otherwise unremarkable virus.

munsterlegend · 27-03-2020 01:01PM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

i am sick to death of this horse**** bandwagon reply.

the information that has been ubiquitous in all media led to a false sense of security for young people.

Saying you only need to really worry if you are elderly or have an existing health issues, let young people float about as if they were care free,

1. Spreading the virus deeper into society

2. having the rare casualties like this girl and the 21 year old in England.

The message should have been from the beginning that this is a deadly virus, everyone needs to take care and prevent it spreading regardless if the casualties in the youth are the exception, one life lost NEEDLESSLY is one to many.

I have a 22 year old, i would be devastated if he contracted and dies from it because the message sent out was not to worry if your young.

Who is downplaying it? The message is clear from every HSE briefing there are certain vulnerable groups. A 16 year old with no underlying condition certainly is not. This is serious as young people can pass the virus to other vulnerable predominantly elderly people.

Tony EH · 27-03-2020 01:01PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

What kind of crap is that :rolleyes:
Honestly, little keyboard warriors with little knowledge.

Pffft. Get up the yard. :pac:

He was willing to let 60% of the county get it, no bother, which could have resulted in over 250,000 deaths.

The fucking twat.

Peruvian Flake · 27-03-2020 01:02PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where is that being reported? Nothing on the news section of their app or their website.

No curtailment of regular services. Airlink and Nitelink only affected. As per DB website.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 01:02PM

Every day you think the next can't get any more absurd but each each new day delivers new depths.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2020 01:02PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

Tesco would be more than happy to hire staff that will want to leave as soon the crisis is over. That's exactly who they should want!

The missus tells me our local Tesco home deliver service is booked up solid for the next 2 or 3 weeks. I don't understand why they're not hiring Johnny who lost his job from the shop next door to use his own vehicle to make deliveries for them, until his shop reopens - at which time, they won't need him anymore.

Everyone wins! Tesco, their customers, Johnny and the exchequer!

Would insurance put the stoppers on that? Otherwise it would be a great idea.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2020 01:03PM

Peruvian Flake wrote: »

No curtailment of regular services. Airlink and Nitelink only affected. As per DB website.

That's all i saw. Other poster seems to have a bee in his bonnet about DB.

Thepoet85 · 27-03-2020 01:04PM

Galway20188 wrote:

I applied for the covid payment on March 18

I did it on the 15th and have heard nothing. I've read that they expect payemts to show in accounts early next week.

Hamsterchops · 27-03-2020 01:04PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Pffft. Get up the yard. :pac:

He was willing to let 60% of the county get it, no bother, which could have resulted in over 250,000 deaths.

The fucking twat.

You're a right loud mouth.

Any decisions made in relation to the Corona crisis have been advised by the chief medical heads in the UK led by Sir Patrick Vallance.

Blame Vallance if you want, Boris is doing his best, as is every leader in the world currently.

27-03-2020 01:04PM

thebaz wrote: »

Interesting article on Sweden - they have basically kept things open, except gathering over 500 and asked people to behave sensibly :-
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

This goes against the trend of nearly every other country , and yet ther statistics are not that bad - 2,800 cases :-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I assume they are adopting the herd immunity plan, and thus assume number of cases are much higher .
By keeping society open they will reduce other social, economic and medical problems, medical staff can continue to put ther children to school/childcare whilst they work.
Be intersting to watch how this plays out.

Cultuer could be a factor I am only speculating about this: Make that work in a socity like Sweden with its culture of public wealth, somewhat collectivist and cohesive society, profiteering seen as shameful and any nordic person I even met struck me as being made for social distancing.

gabeeg · 27-03-2020 01:06PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You're a right loud mouth.

Any decisions made in relation to the Corona crisis have been advised by the chief medical heads in the UK led by Sir Patrick Vallance.

Blame Vallance if you want, Boris is doing his best, as is every leader in the world currently.

Bolsonaro? Trump?

Johnson hasn't quite been as poor as though two, but he's been bloody awful

Sam Russell · 27-03-2020 01:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The majority of people who have it have no symptoms. He has minor symptoms. Doesn't mean he has to be coughing up a lung.

What has he to gain from lying.

He has a history of it. Just look at the side of a bus. He did not die in a ditch. etc. etc.

Boggles · 27-03-2020 01:07PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You're a right loud mouth.

Any decisions made in relation to the Corona crisis have been advised by the chief medical heads in the UK led by Sir Patrick Vallance.

Blame Vallance if you want, Boris is doing his best, as is every leader in the world currently.

TBH, I always got the sense that the medical "heads" that got dragged out to the press conferences never believed what they were actually saying.

Tony EH · 27-03-2020 01:07PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

You're a right loud mouth.

Any decisions made in relation to the Corona crisis have been advised by the chief medical heads in the UK led by Sir Patrick Vallance.

Blame Vallance if you want, Boris is doing his best, as is every leader in the world currently.

Give over, no one's buying your crap.

Little Bojo soldier.

Hamsterchops · 27-03-2020 01:08PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Bolsonaro? Trump?

Johnson hasn't quite been as poor as though two, but he's been bloody awful

Lay off Boris why don't you, he's got the virus!

Galway20188 · 27-03-2020 01:08PM

Anyone know if there’ll be back pay for people who didn’t receive emergency payment this week?

Can’t see this in recent updates

BattleCorp · 27-03-2020 01:09PM

Tea Shock wrote: »

I don't understand why they're not hiring Johnny who lost his job from the shop next door to use his own vehicle to make deliveries for them, until his shop reopens - at which time, they won't need him anymore.

There are a few issues.

1. Is Johnny trained? Manual handling training, risk assessment training, COVID-19 training etc.

2. Is Johnny's car insured for business purposes?

3. Who is responsible for the maintenance of Johnny's car?

4. Tesco don't know about Johnny's driving history? Is he a safe driver? Has he a heap of penalty points etc.

5. Is Johnny's car/vehicle temperature controlled? Can't have cold-chain perishables sitting in the back of a car on a sunny day.

5. Does Johnny carry around his dog etc. in the same car he carries groceries?

While it's a good idea in principle, it's not as straightforward as people think.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 01:10PM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

hypocritical...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Coronavirus: China accuses US of causing panic and 'spreading fear'

It follows the US decision to declare a public health emergency and deny entry to foreign nationals who had visited China in the past two weeks. - 3 February 2020

In a news briefing on Monday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said the US actions "could only create and spread fear" instead of offering assistance.

She said the US was the first country to impose a travel ban on Chinese travellers and the first to suggest a partial withdrawal of its embassy staff.

"It is precisely developed countries like the US with strong epidemic prevention capabilities... that have taken the lead in imposing excessive restrictions contrary to WHO recommendations," Ms Hua said, according to a Reuters report.

Lets argue about the hypocrisy of it all when we are all infected shall we?

Or on the otherhand lets look to successful models on how this can be fought?

Its amazing when faced with a crisis, some people spend far more time pointing fingers and blaming, than working on a solution.

The political model in China is actually irrelevant. What is relevant is what they did and the lessons to be learned.

Woodsie1 · 27-03-2020 01:10PM

Why isnt the Swedish leader getting the same grief that people are giving Trump and Boris?

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

Comments

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03