CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

Logan Roy · 27-03-2020 11:44AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Could it be the case that very cold or freezing conditions can kill off the virus in the environment maybe?

It's 12 degrees in Stockholm today

BanditLuke · 27-03-2020 11:45AM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Anyone else half expecting Putin to chance his arm during the chaos with some kind of power play?

https://twitter.com/GermanoDottori/status/1242782227311792128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpolitics.ie%2Fthreads%2Fwuhan-coronavirus-coming-soon.273716%2Fpage-571

Would put nothing past him tbh.

Donald Trump · 27-03-2020 11:45AM

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC cold preserves the virus for longer, it's heat and especially UV from the sun that kills it.

I'd imagine that's true. It's just strange that they'd be so laxidasical about it

Christy42 · 27-03-2020 11:46AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Of course the West treats it's truth tellers and whistle-blowers far better than that !

Edward Snowden
Chelsea Manning
Julian Assange

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Did I say otherwise. I discussed China's reaction this outbreak. I didn't say the West has been great to whistleblowers (I would have McCabe and leave off Assange but the point is the same). Someone talked about China reacting quickly. I said this was wrong. I really don't get what Chelsea Manning has to do with China's reaction to the Corona virus

RubyK · 27-03-2020 11:47AM

Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

https://twitter.com/i/events/1243498002771095552

Boggles · 27-03-2020 11:47AM

RubyK wrote: »

Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

:eek:

Naggdefy · 27-03-2020 11:47AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 11:47AM

Boggles wrote: »

TBH I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even Trump.

But the way he is acting if he were to disappear lives will be saved.

For his sake the US Secret Service had better be doing double or triple duty as I could see some people trying to deliberately infect him. Not sure if that would be a good or bad thing.

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 11:47AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Oh stop being so preachy.

He's the man who said he'd send the virus packing in 12 weeks stalled on bringing in restrictions and I think his decisions will ultimately kill thousands of people.

So I don't wish him ill-wil but it is ironic that he got it and i'm not the only one finds it.

Many countries stalled on implementing measures but they didn't use the words 'herd immunity' and that is why the Uk Gov has been crucified because they actually named it. Varadkar says you can meet with 4 people outside your family. What if one infects one of those four and then they go off an infect people in turn. Would that create 'Herd Immunity'?

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 11:48AM

Wibbs wrote: »

It's now illegal to sell wild animals for food, but it wasn't illegal when this nonsense started there. Neither were the many thousands of such markets in China. It''l be interesting to see how they actually clamp down on this backwards practice, especially with so much dirty money behind them.

And the sackings were the usual party optics. The other usual party optics was the silencing of doctors and others who tried to highlight and warn about this outbreak. But yeah the Party is only great. :rolleyes:

The more I read of your stuff the more I think of the Chinese version of Israel's online apologists.

FFS.

China is a brutal dictatorship, nobody seriously disputes that.

They are also the second biggest economy in the world, outstanding when they put their minds to it - they build two prefab hospitals in less than two weeks. They locked down a city the size of London in a matter of days and a province the size of the UK. So that no-one could get in or out.

IT WORKED!

Ignore their lessons all you want - see where it gets you in the end. A year long economic meltdown it looks like.

Yeh lets just all willfully ignore the lessons from a successful model. No wonder we are screwed.

I was going to mention something about how the US are doing right now, but you'd say I was an apologist for Marxism or some such.

Tony EH · 27-03-2020 11:48AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

Glad you think someone having the virus is funny.

I wish him all the best and hope he fights off this terrible illness.

He didn't give a fuck about other people getting a couple of weeks ago.

27-03-2020 11:48AM

Steve F wrote: »

Thanks for the explanation

It's just when you see it and me being the Father of 15 yo Twin Daughters it tends to scare the living daylights out of you
Stay safe

As munsterlegend says the stats don’t support it. Despite the ferocity of the outbreak in Italy for example no deaths under 30 have been reported so far.

from_atozinc · 27-03-2020 11:48AM

Wibbs wrote: »

IIRC cold preserves the virus for longer, it's heat and especially UV from the sun that kills it.

I always thought cold was good to kill germs and that germs thrived in hot conditions, but obviously not true

pH · 27-03-2020 11:48AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

What Iceland have shown is that 50% of those tested positive have no symptoms

Surely this is expected? Imagine we're on day n of an outbreak and today 100 new people are infected. The people infected over the last 10 days should look something like (not exact figures based on covid-19, just an example).

n = 100 (new infections today)
n-1 = 80
n-2 = 64
n-3 = 52
n-4 = 41
n-5 = 33
n-6 =23
n-7 =21
n-8 = 17
n-9 = 13

So if you don't show symptoms until 5 days after you become infected, and if we tested all these people today we would find:

Infected 440
Symptomatic (those infected in days n-5 to n-9) 107
Asymptomatic (those infected in days n to n-4) 337

Obviously these are not exact figures based on exactly when people normally show symptoms for covid-19, they are just indicative that when the number of cases is increasing exponentially to you would expect to see a high number of asymptomatic cases (who will most likely go on to be symptomatic in the next few days)

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 11:49AM

RubyK wrote: »

Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

https://twitter.com/i/events/1243498002771095552

Yes. Mild symptoms so far anyway.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 27-03-2020 11:49AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

There will always be these irregular cases. Some young people die of the flu but we never hear about it. This poor girl had a very unlikely reaction so lets not build it into something widespread as the stats don’t support it.

i am sick to death of this horse**** bandwagon reply.

the information that has been ubiquitous in all media led to a false sense of security for young people.

Saying you only need to really worry if you are elderly or have an existing health issues, let young people float about as if they were care free,

1. Spreading the virus deeper into society

2. having the rare casualties like this girl and the 21 year old in England.

The message should have been from the beginning that this is a deadly virus, everyone needs to take care and prevent it spreading regardless if the casualties in the youth are the exception, one life lost NEEDLESSLY is one to many.

I have a 22 year old, i would be devastated if he contracted and dies from it because the message sent out was not to worry if your young.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 11:49AM

Christy42 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Did I say otherwise. I discussed China's reaction this outbreak. I didn't say the West has been great to whistleblowers (I would have McCabe and leave off Assange but the point is the same). Someone talked about China reacting quickly. I said this was wrong. I really don't get what Chelsea Manning has to do with China's reaction to the Corona virus

It's whataboutery, the standard response to any criticism of the USA, China or Russia by those closely following their respective playbooks.

Boggles · 27-03-2020 11:49AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

For his sake the US Secret Service had better be doing double or triple duty as I could see some people trying to deliberately infect him. Not sure if that would be a good or bad thing.

He shook hands with literally everyone last week.

The dotard will infect himself.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2020 11:51AM

giggys wrote: »

You will be pleased to know from 1st april Dublin Bus are getting a reduced service, a emergency Covid-19 timetable.
We have waited until 1st april to ensure that all bonuses linked to servivce levels in financial quarter 1 can be reached and paid out to managment in both DB & NTA.
In these difficult time, rest assure all Dublin Bus and NTA execuitives are self isolating and are safe and well provisioned at home.
When this Covid-19 plague passes we will come out of our bunkers and be ready to get whats left of Dublin moving once again.

Where is that being reported? Nothing on the news section of their app or their website.

Logan Roy · 27-03-2020 11:52AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

i am sick to death of this horse**** bandwagon reply.

the information that has been ubiquitous in all media led to a false sense of security for young people.

Saying you only need to really worry if you are elderly or have an existing health issues, let young people float about as if they were care free,

1. Spreading the virus deeper into society

2. having the rare casualties like this girl and the 21 year old in England.

The message should have been from the beginning that this is a deadly virus, everyone needs to take care and prevent it spreading regardless if the casualties in the youth are the exception, one life lost NEEDLESSLY is one to many.

I have a 22 year old, i would be devastated if he contracted and dies from it because the message sent out was not to worry if your young.

There's a difference between a "message" and "facts". Are you advocating the governments lie about the age profile mostly impacted to try and get all ages to comply with measures?

cloudatlas · 27-03-2020 11:52AM

Naggdefy wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

Ah yes the 'concerned' neighbour.

“Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.”

Loughc · 27-03-2020 11:52AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

You tell your employer that you staying at home - if he sacks you - you can take him to court etc.

Get job in Tesco if need money

Only seen this now as this thread moves far too quickly especially after figure annoucements, firstly if I do that and get sacked all I can do is take him to the labour court, max pay out there is 2 years salary and it takes years to even get a case and settlement completed.

Secondly Tesco would not be interested in hiring me, I'd get the whole "overqualified" "would leave as soon as a job opens up in your field" etc

So it really isn't as easy as you make it sound.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 11:53AM

from_atozinc wrote: »

I always thought cold was good to kill germs and that germs thrived in hot conditions, but obviously not true

Depends on the germs and other factors such as moisture.

The heat thing comes from tropical climates, where it is hot, shady (in forested areas) and humid. That certainly suits some microbes, but really they vary a great deal. Direct sunlight and dry conditions are usually bad for both viruses and bacteria though.

s1ippy · 27-03-2020 11:54AM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

There are many possibilities though - it gives some/most people immunity, but not others, it gives temporary immunity for a few weeks then goes, possibly that it can give partial immunity (i.e. you can still get it, but are better able to deal with it the second time), you can have immunity to one strain, but not to another novel strain etc.

Or there are much more pessimistic potential outcomes. Just saying, because all your suggested outcomes are that we do build up immunity, when there is no evidence of this. An RNA virus can quickly modify itself so it damages the immune system.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 11:55AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Keep an eye on it. Are you working from home or in a workplace? If in a workplace, inform HR and your manager if you suspect you might have something and they will advise. If symptoms get worse, call your GP. And also avoid friends until you are sure you don't have it.

I'm working at home ,I haven't had any symptoms since, i woke up this morning no cold or nothing but still avoiding anyone but immediate the family group ,

darjeeling · 27-03-2020 11:57AM

As if dogs and celebs weren't bad enough - it's in cats now!!! :eek:

Cat infected with coronavirus by owner in Wallonia
A cat has been infected with the coronavirus for the first time in our country. This was reported by the Faculty of Veterinary Medicine of the University of Liège. The animal lived in close contact with its owner.

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/kat-besmet-met-coronavirus-door-baasje-in-wallonie~a264b11e/

... and the media is about to go into another frenzy. Just wait till the Express gets hold of it.

virologist Steven Van Gucht: “It was diarrhea, vomiting and breathing difficulties. The researchers found the virus in the cat's feces."

Oh, the glamour of science.

skellig_rocks · 27-03-2020 11:58AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China now banning all but the bare minimum of flights into the country to prevent a second wave of infections. Showing decisive leadership again.

hypocritical...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51353279

Coronavirus: China accuses US of causing panic and 'spreading fear'

It follows the US decision to declare a public health emergency and deny entry to foreign nationals who had visited China in the past two weeks. - 3 February 2020

In a news briefing on Monday, Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said the US actions "could only create and spread fear" instead of offering assistance.

She said the US was the first country to impose a travel ban on Chinese travellers and the first to suggest a partial withdrawal of its embassy staff.

"It is precisely developed countries like the US with strong epidemic prevention capabilities... that have taken the lead in imposing excessive restrictions contrary to WHO recommendations," Ms Hua said, according to a Reuters report.

CitizenFloor · 27-03-2020 11:58AM

pH wrote: »

Surely this is expected? Imagine we're on day n of an outbreak and today 100 new people are infected. The people infected over the last 10 days should look something like (not exact figures based on covid-19, just an example).

n = 100 (new infections today)
n-1 = 80
n-2 = 64
n-3 = 52
n-4 = 41
n-5 = 33
n-6 =23
n-7 =21
n-8 = 17
n-9 = 13

So if you don't show symptoms until 5 days after you become infected, and if we tested all these people today we would find:

Infected 440
Symptomatic (those infected in days n-5 to n-9) 107
Asymptomatic (those infected in days n to n-4) 337

Obviously these are not exact figures based on exactly when people normally show symptoms for covid-19, they are just indicative that when the number of cases is increasing exponentially to you would expect to see a high number of asymptomatic cases (who will most likely go on to be symptomatic in the next few days)

I think there is a difference between presymptomatic vs asymptomatic. Not sure if that is accounted for, or if its possible to capture data.

thebaz · 27-03-2020 11:58AM

Interesting article on Sweden - they have basically kept things open, except gathering over 500 and asked people to behave sensibly :-
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/sweden-is-doing-the-opposite-of-almost-all-of-europe-to-tackle-coronavirus-39080526.html

This goes against the trend of nearly every other country , and yet ther statistics are not that bad - 2,800 cases :-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I assume they are adopting the herd immunity plan, and thus assume number of cases are much higher .
By keeping society open they will reduce other social, economic and medical problems, medical staff can continue to put ther children to school/childcare whilst they work.
Be intersting to watch how this plays out.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 11:59AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Could it be the case that very cold or freezing conditions can kill off the virus in the environment maybe?

There was community transmission in february in many countries with cold continental climates so its unlikely

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03