CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

eastie17 · 27-03-2020 10:49AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Does Coronavirus cause a mucousy cough ?

or more dry coughs ?

To be honest I dont know if anyone can say for definite. Theres alot of conflicting info hence the reason anyone who called in with anything up until last Tuesday to the GP was being sent for a test. I think the two consistent symptoms are A cough (usually dry but not always) and a fever.
If theres no fever then its either it and very mild or not it. Remember there are always colds and other types of corona viruses going around the whole time also. From reading accounts of those who have had it, not severe and not extremely mild (given that they may not know they have it) I think you'd know if it was CV19

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 10:50AM

sydthebeat wrote: »

You do know China is a dictatorship... Don't you??

What exactly has that got to do with it?

The type of government is irrelevant. This is about saving lives.

The main reason we will lose the fight against coronavirus is because of attitudes like "we can't do that because we're not a dictatorship".

Weak governments will lose the coronavirus battle, we've seen that already.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 10:50AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Do you know how long it takes in general for people to have reduced their viral load enough to pass the PCR tests?

Can't find any info on this.

Sorry, I don't really know.

Depends entirely on the course of the disease in that person. It would range from days up to many weeks. Unfortunately, in the cases where it ends in death, it tends to take substantially longer than the normal course of infection.

A decent PCR can pick up any trace of viral RNA, even non-viable, so I would expect it'll come back positive for some time after a person stops being infectious.

Snow Garden · 27-03-2020 10:50AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Does Coronavirus cause a mucousy cough ?

or more dry coughs ?

It sounds like a dog's bark. Not sure which type of dog though.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 10:51AM

Paris hospitals to reach saturation point with 48 hours, reported on Guardian live blog

Head of the French Hospital Federation: Paris hospitals to reach capacity in 48 hours

A spike in coronavirus patients means hospitals in and around Paris will reach saturation point within 48 hours, the head of the French Hospital Federation said on Friday, with the peak not expected until April, Reuters reports.

amadangomor · 27-03-2020 10:51AM

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus

The most common symptoms and the percentage of people who have them include:

Fever: 88%
Dry cough: 68%
Fatigue: 38%
Coughing up sputum, or thick phlegm, from the lungs: 33%
Shortness of breath: 19%
Bone or joint pain: 15%
Sore throat: 14%
Headache: 14%
Chills: 11%
Nausea or vomiting: 5%
Stuffy nose: 5%
Diarrhea: 4%
Coughing up blood: 1%
Swollen eyes: 1%

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 10:52AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

It sounds like a dog's bark. Not sure which type of dog though.

Okay, I know it's all horrible, but that made me laugh.

sydthebeat · 27-03-2020 10:52AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What exactly has that got to do with it?

The type of government is irrelevant. This is about saving lives.

The main reason we will lose the fight against coronavirus is because of attitudes like "we can't do that because we're not a dictatorship".

Weak governments will lose the coronavirus battle, we've seen that already.

You seem to be resigned to "loosing the fight"..... So pessimistic... Can't be good for your mental health.... Go have a walk and get some fresh air.

silverharp · 27-03-2020 10:52AM

Another symptom mentioned was loss of smell

Steve F · 27-03-2020 10:53AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

China now banning all but the bare minimum of flights into the country to prevent a second wave of infections. Showing decisive leadership again.

Hopefully these will be the things we do too?

eastie17 · 27-03-2020 10:54AM

Can anyone point to useful metrics to show how we are doing with this as a country?
The number of identified cases per day is not a good metric imho. The testing regimes, criteria for testing and indeed the different population demographics, that society's way of living etc are so different its a nonsense.
I can see people in this country getting panicked when we start to hit the 3,000s plus and continue to increase by 200+ a day - why? Because its a big number - but it doesn't really mean anything

Number of patients in ICU versus capacity, number of deaths as a per capita stat versus other countries are useful numbers that actually mean something. I'm finding the daily count number to be a bit of a nonsense and something that people are going to get wound up over unnecessarily.

If this is actually working, our early school closures, social distancing etc then a metric showing that (or not) is key to keeping the population (those who will) properly engaged.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 10:54AM

Lee Mack now positive after getting it at Cheltenham.

Bad enough that the UK were still going ahead with their herd immunity plan at that stage, but worse that thousands of Irish people decided to put themselves and the rest of us at risk.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 10:54AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

What exactly has that got to do with it?

The type of government is irrelevant. This is about saving lives.

The main reason we will lose the fight against coronavirus is because of attitudes like "we can't do that because we're not a dictatorship".

Weak governments will lose the coronavirus battle, we've seen that already.

Obviously all tough actions should be taken that are needed but also important to remember that governments can be very reluctant to return freedoms surrendered in crisis.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 10:56AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Lee Mack now positive after getting it at Cheltenham.

Bad enough that the UK were still going ahead with their herd immunity plan at that stage, but worse that thousands of Irish people decided to put themselves and the rest of us at risk.

If Cheltenham was on tomorrow the same people would still go.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 10:56AM

Steve F wrote: »

Hopefully these will be the things we do too?

Agreed.

The Chinese have shown everyone how cv can be fought with relative success.

AtomicHorror · 27-03-2020 10:56AM

eastie17 wrote: »

Can anyone point to useful metrics to show how we are doing with this as a country?
The number of identified cases per day is not a good metric imho. The testing regimes, criteria for testing and indeed the different population demographics, that society's way of living etc are so different its a nonsense.
I can see people in this country getting panicked when we start to hit the 3,000s plus and continue to increase by 200+ a day - why? Because its a big number - but it doesn't really mean anything

Number of patients in ICU versus capacity, number of deaths as a per capita stat versus other countries are useful numbers that actually mean something. I'm finding the daily count number to be a bit of a nonsense and something that people are going to get wound up over unnecessarily.

If this is actually working, our early school closures, social distancing etc then a metric showing that (or not) is key to keeping the population (those who will) properly engaged.

Someone posted a really nice data visualization for Ireland from Reddit a few days back but I can't find it now.

Worldometers has some good graphs too, but you probably already have seen that:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

MarkY91 · 27-03-2020 10:58AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Agreed.

The Chinese have shown everyone how cv can be fought with relative success.

I'll be over soon to weld your doors and windows shut. You can be first to do it the China way...

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 11:00AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Obviously all tough actions should be taken that are needed but also important to remember that governments can be very reluctant to return freedoms surrendered in crisis.

Well you can't return freedoms to people who have died of coronavirus.

And most people would accept short term curtailment of freedoms if it meant the economy would return in the medium term. But so far there is no sign of that.

If we cannot curtail infections from abroad, our own restrictions will last indefinitely.

The world may have to go without international civilian air travel for the foreseeable future until we get a handle on this.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2020 11:01AM

silverharp wrote: »

Another symptom mentioned was loss of smell

Seen someone mention a loss of taste too.

Hamsterchops · 27-03-2020 11:01AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Does Coronavirus cause a mucousy cough ?

or more dry coughs ?

Symptoms/ BBC public information video . . .

https://youtu.be/A2kiXc5XEdU

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 11:01AM

MarkY91 wrote: »

I'll be over soon to weld your doors and windows shut. You can be first to do it the China way...

How many doors were welded shut?

Do you think every door in a city of 8 million was welded shut?

Any proof to back up that assessment if so?

weldoninhio · 27-03-2020 11:04AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How many doors were welded shut?

Do you think every door in a city of 8 million was welded shut?

Any proof to back up that assessment if so?

People seen doors being welded shut and their imaginations went into overdrive. From what I saw reported, the back entrances to apartment blocks were welded shut to ensure anyone entering or leaving the building went through a door that was manned.

sydthebeat · 27-03-2020 11:04AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How many doors were welded shut?

Do you think every door in a city of 8 million was welded shut?

Any proof to back up that assessment if so?

They used chains instead

silverharp · 27-03-2020 11:04AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

How many doors were welded shut?

Do you think every door in a city of 8 million was welded shut?

Any proof to back up that assessment if so?

I think that was mostly fake news, what the Chinese were doing was welding side entrances shut so everyone had to come in and out through one entrance they could check.

MOR316 · 27-03-2020 11:04AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Seen someone mention a loss of taste too.

But that's enough about my favourite music

growleaves · 27-03-2020 11:06AM

Aww the poor crathurs. Guess they shouldn't be in areas they shouldn't be then eh? Gardai should be allowed use their batons to move people on or break up groups who are refusing to break up.

There are food shortages in India.

Edit: deleted

walshb · 27-03-2020 11:07AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They were in an area they should not have been. We use the carrot approach in Ireland and have scum with over 100 convictions roaming the streets. The stick approach is an option we should try.

So straight to beating people, is that what you want to see from our gardai...women and men beaten without first trying to request and ask...?

So, a person is out and about, and straight to beating him/her up for being in an area he shouldn't?

You are coming across quite sadistic...

I am not talking about scum with convictions. You keep bringing this bit up...

quokula · 27-03-2020 11:08AM

eastie17 wrote: »

Can anyone point to useful metrics to show how we are doing with this as a country?
The number of identified cases per day is not a good metric imho. The testing regimes, criteria for testing and indeed the different population demographics, that society's way of living etc are so different its a nonsense.
I can see people in this country getting panicked when we start to hit the 3,000s plus and continue to increase by 200+ a day - why? Because its a big number - but it doesn't really mean anything

Number of patients in ICU versus capacity, number of deaths as a per capita stat versus other countries are useful numbers that actually mean something. I'm finding the daily count number to be a bit of a nonsense and something that people are going to get wound up over unnecessarily.

If this is actually working, our early school closures, social distancing etc then a metric showing that (or not) is key to keeping the population (those who will) properly engaged.

At 4 deaths per million we’ve a similar rate to Germany, and doing better than most European countries. The likes of Sweden and Denmark are 50% higher than us while our closest neighbour the UK has more than twice the death rate. France and Netherlands are more than double that again with Spain and Italy way off the chart.

Our death rate is also very close to South Korea’s but given that they’ve been dealing with it longer that doesn’t mean we’re doing quite so well.

legrand · 27-03-2020 11:08AM

one of a number of Covid trackers https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

What I find curious, and hope it's just down to being unable to get the data, but the 'recovered' count has been sitting on just '5' for over a week now [for the Ireland record].

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 11:08AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

People seen doors being welded shut and their imaginations went into overdrive. From what I saw reported, the back entrances to apartment blocks were welded shut to ensure anyone entering or leaving the building went through a door that was manned.

That's my understanding too. Cutting down the entrances to make it easier to patrol.

Basically they tried to enforce a lockdown.

In Ireland we didn't bother to enforce a lockdown.

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03