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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #1922
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    I heard last night that the deaths attributed to COVID19 were of people who had tested positive and since died.

    As the numbers increase, we may well get patients being admitted to ICU who didn't get tested (due to high waiting or other reason) who then also die.

    Are these deaths going to be linked as official as they won't have been tested?

    Are we going to actually see a less death toll than what could be the actual?


  • #1923
    voluntary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭voluntary


    deise08 wrote: »
    They got a 3ft x 4ft plexi screen put in this week at the checkouts. Where the actual scanner is, where customers never stand.

    LIDL is ridiculous in that matter. They proudly informed customers about the measures they have taken, the plexi shields they put in place. Went to one last week and was laughing together with the poor powerless cashiers.

    If you ever been to LIDL, you know where the packing area for goods is and where the payment terminal is. It's kind of on the side.
    Now, the plexi screens are directly in front of the cashier and are really narrow. They didn't put the plexi between customers and the cashier. I think they put it for the sake of having it there. Useless.

    They also have not provided it's retail staff with face masks. It's kind of ridiculous again, as they hired a lad who tells people in the queues to stay apart, most customers I've seen wear masks, but this poor lad helping people had no masks. The cashier actually asked me where did I buy my mask as she couldn't get one!


  • #1924
    Ellie2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    deise08 wrote: »
    They got a 3ft x 4ft plexi screen put in this week at the checkouts. Where the actual scanner is, where customers never stand. It's a start.
    Yeah the markers are now on the floor at the checkouts.

    No change with payments.

    Buckets of sanitiser with a roll of cloths inside on entry.

    Tables spaced out recently in the staff area.
    I bring in my own cup and wipe down table after use.

    Other people's hygiene and cleaning standards leave a lot to be desired. So I can only count on my actions with cleaning.

    Shared checkouts, shared computer, shared hand held equipment etc
    Conscious even down to a pen. ( not regularly used but buying rather than borrowing just to write a signature.)

    I clean everything before I start to use it, and after and encourage others to too.
    Maybe I'm over conscious.

    No such thing as being over conscious in this environment. I’d bring up the point about payments - encouraging people to use contactless cards & their phones. Not fair on staff.


  • #1925
    Jayzee.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭Jayzee.


    voluntary wrote: »
    LIDL is ridiculous in that matter. They proudly informed customers about the measures they have taken, the plexi shields they put in place. Went to one last week and was laughing together with the poor powerless cashiers.

    If you ever been to LIDL, you know where the packing area for goods is and where the payment terminal is. It's kind of on the side.
    Now, the plexi screens are directly in front of the cashier and are really narrow. They didn't put the plexi between customers and the cashier. I think they put it for the sake of having it there. Useless.

    They also have not provided it's retail staff with face masks. It's kind of ridiculous again, as they hired a lad who tells people in the queues to stay apart, most customers I've seen wear masks, but this poor lad helping people had no masks. The cashier actually asked me where did I buy my mask as she couldn't get one!

    There is a lot of window dressing going on in relation to coronavirus

    To be expected with business


  • #1926
    Jayzee.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭Jayzee.


    I need a break from all the fake stats and news


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  • #1927
    Ellie2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Ellie2008


    Jayzee. wrote: »
    There is a lot of window dressing going on in relation to coronavirus

    To be expected with business

    Consumers need to hold them to account - the power of social media. We all owe it to the staff.


  • #1928
    Itsalladdingup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭Itsalladdingup


    deise08 wrote: »
    Working for a major retailer.

    Been reading these threads since the word go.

    6 weeks ago I was laughed at for asking for sanitiser to be provided.

    Telling people to buy a few extra things gradually so as not to be bulk buying/panic buying. Laughed at.

    We have flexi contracts, so not set hours. Shifts can be anything for all workers.
    I.e 5-2 8-4 10-6 2-10

    Last week I suggested shifts to limit how many need isolating in case of infection instead of overlapping shifts. Laughed at.

    Told I'm scared because customers are wearing masks now.

    Anything I've been saying in the past is shockingly new to them now.


    Because we work with the public, and a lot of elderly customers, I really think we should be tested regularly. Possibly bi weekly.
    We've the most chance of being the carriers/spreaders. We are 'essential' so cannot not work.

    In fact anybody working with the public should be tested weekly/bi weekly.

    I have to say, I was in Tesco the other day and it struck me how exposed the staff are there to the virus. They are also doing the ‘elderly only’ hours like most of the supermarkets so also likely to pass it on. And they themselves have families and vulnerable people they’re trying to protect. You’re completely right Deise, hope you stay well yourself.


  • #1929
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    I wouldn't get too hung up on hospitalization stats at this stage.The clusters in the nursing homes will result in higher instances of hospitalization and the clusters in hospitals will skew these percentages also.

    I think the rate of increase in ICU cases is the stat to watch especially when compared to our total ICU capacity.It is then we get an idea as to the ability of the system to cope.

    Obviously the rate of increase in total cases is also important notwithstanding the vagaries of the testing system.I would tend to look at a 3 or 5 day moving average of new cases as being indicative of the rate of increase.

    My gut feeling is that this will peak early/middle ofnext week and hopefully plateau and reduce from there.I think 300/350 new cases daily would be a decent outcome at this point.My reasoning for this is that the time lag in testing/results should start to unwind by then.Also the full impact of pubs closing and the initial phase of social distancing and self isolation should be felt.The reduction in contacts traced per new case to 5 from 20 initially is a good sign also.

    Obviously the nature of the sequence of testing,results,hospitalization,ICU and deaths mean that the latter 2 figures continue to rise even when new cases plateau/decrease.If new cases continue to rise next week into the 4/5/6 hundreds per day we are in big trouble.I dont think they will but I wouldn't be confident.


  • #1930
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Peruvian Flake wrote: »
    Another 8 weeks with no pints, at the minimum.

    Bag of cans in the garden enjoy nature and relax FTW.


  • #1931
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Minnie Snuggles wrote: »
    Good to see that a father and son have been refused bail after they were accused of spitting on two Gardai today.

    Good news, absolute scumbags.


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  • #1932
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,029 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Good news, absolute scumbags.

    thats even too nice a description for these scrotes


  • #1933
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    aligator_am wrote: »
    Am curious about what your reactions would be if you were on the receiving end of this Corona challenge thing by some youngsters?

    So if, for example, some teens came up to you and deliberately coughed in your face or spat at you, would you hesitate in levelling them with a dig in the head?

    Swift right, left uppercut, right hook & bang - lights out ... and be damned with the consequences. Nobody, ternager or otherwise should be spitting or coughing in your face in the current climate!


  • #1934
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »
    I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

    Don’t do this, you need to worry about yourself first you will get no thanks for this in the long run.


  • #1935
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    I heard last night that the deaths attributed to COVID19 were of people who had tested positive and since died.

    As the numbers increase, we may well get patients being admitted to ICU who didn't get tested (due to high waiting or other reason) who then also die.

    Are these deaths going to be linked as official as they won't have been tested?

    Are we going to actually see a less death toll than what could be the actual?

    On the other hand we may be counting people who died not because of the virus but the fact they had it then it’s counted as the cause.


  • #1936
    Zenify
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Zenify


    Jacksie66.1

    Let the company make the decisions. If they pick you fair enough but I wouldn't volunteer.


  • #1937
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Swift right, left uppercut, right hook & bang - lights out ... and be damned with the consequences. Nobody, ternager or otherwise should be spitting or coughing in your face in the current climate!




    The only danger with hitting a scummer that spat at you is you would lose the plot altogether and stay thrashing him until you were up for murder.


  • #1938
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We need our walks.

    In for 2 weeks am sure youd be fine just staying indoors,

    People like u who think they need this walk or tiny bit of exercise grow up youre the spreaders


  • #1939
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Good news, absolute scumbags.




    Generational pond rats.its in their dna.hopefully a couple of guards give them a thrashing


  • #1940
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Jayzee. wrote: »
    I need a break from all the fake stats and news

    "So stop watching the news, because the news conspires to frighten you, to make you feel small and alone, to make you feel that your mind isn't your own" . . . .

    Morrissey - Spent the Day in bed.


  • #1941
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »
    I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

    He'll get €350/ week and children's allowance and whatever his wife is entitled to. Plus, he can't be evicted, he'll be okay. It's a lovely idea but unless he's a very good friend I'd suggest looking out for yourself.


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  • #1942
    [Deleted User]
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    Jin luk wrote: »
    In for 2 weeks am sure youd be fine just staying indoors,

    People like u who think they need this walk or tiny bit of exercise grow up youre the spreaders

    People walking and keeping social distance (or greater distance in most cases) are not spreading anything, stop talking nonsense.

    Don’t go walking in busy areas, parks, beeches etc is good advice but nothing wrong with a walk in the right locations.


  • #1943
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Jin luk wrote: »
    In for 2 weeks am sure youd be fine just staying indoors,

    People like u who think they need this walk or tiny bit of exercise grow up youre the spreaders

    Firstly, we will be stuck indoors for more than two weeks.

    Secondly, it's fine to go for a walk or do a bit of exercise as long as you stay the fcuk away from everyone else and touch fcukall surfaces.

    A run or exercise on your own is actually beneficial so long as you adhere to the social distancing thing.


  • #1944
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Jin luk wrote: »
    In for 2 weeks am sure youd be fine just staying indoors,

    People like u who think they need this walk or tiny bit of exercise grow up youre the spreaders

    Why do you think you know better than the CMO on this?

    People absolutely do need fresh air and exercise, and there is no suggestion that they are the spreaders.

    All available evidence points to clusters in hospitals and nursing homes being the areas where the spread is uncontained.

    I would suggest that the next step is closing down building sites and other unnecessary businesses that remain open, where spread is also likely to happen.


  • #1945
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    Evangeline Damaged Specimen wrote: »
    People walking and keeping social distance (or greater distance in most cases) are not spreading anything, stop talking nonsense.

    Don’t go walking in busy areas, parks, beeches etc is good advice but nothing wrong with a walk in the right locations.


    Because other countries are sterilising their streets and roads for the fun of it.

    Spreaders thats what they are


  • #1946
    Jin luk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Jin luk


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Why do you think you know better than the CMO on this?

    People absolutely do need fresh air and exercise, and there is no suggestion that they are the spreaders.

    All available evidence points to clusters in hospitals and nursing homes being the areas where the spread is uncontained.

    I would suggest that the next step is closing down building sites and other unnecessary businesses that remain open, where spread is also likely to happen.


    Alot of senior construction workers like myself have walked from it.

    Now contractors are hiring schoolkids to fill the voids.


  • #1947
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In the US it looks like Louisiana is the next problem.
    About 80% of Louisiana’s intensive care patients are now on breathing machines, up from the normal rate of 30-40%, said Warner Thomas, chief executive of Ochsner Health System, the state’s hospital group.


  • #1948
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Here's a long(ish) piece on the seasonality of viruses and what it might mean here.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/why-do-dozens-diseases-wax-and-wane-seasons-and-will-covid-19


  • #1949
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    In the US it look like Louisiana is the next problem.

    The Virus isn't just the problem in the US.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242905328209080331


  • #1950
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Boggles wrote: »
    The Virus isn't just the problem in the US.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242905328209080331
    Oh yeah, the US would be best served by him going out of commission for at least two weeks.


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  • #1951
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Housemate makes his meals. Wearing the gloves during the procedure. Have kitchen roll on the work top to put his cutlery on. Urban careful.

    However never empty the bag of rubbish. Never wash the work top. Could go on. Strange.


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