CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, it really isn't. We have a decent idea of asymptomatic and mild cases.

This blatant disregard of reality has been a feature of these threads since the first iteration back in January.

Present a graph with the Y access labeled decent idea on the next report you make for work. See how that blatant reality goes down. 😂

When all’s said and done, I think the only stat that we can draw anything from is the number of deaths (to gauge how we’re coping). In my opinion, everything else is meaningless. I guess in time, as the virus takes real hold, the number of recoveries will also be a good figure to see how we have dealt with the crisis here. It’s an awful time to be vulnerable and/or old here - but then I think it’s pretty much the same, possibly with a few exceptions, everywhere. Some countries have undoubtedly better health care services (absolutely no reflection on our great doctors and nurses) I’ve had reason to be in hospital with a relative on and off over the last year and have been struck by how the system is creaking ordinarily. Very worrying now.

There’s not going to be many places that cope well. We’ll learn (hopefully!) from the places that do as something like this will happen again in years to come. We’re probably fortunate that it doesn’t just kill every single person in its path.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would call it "estimated total cases", as will many others in the coming years, and it would be a lot more valuable than claiming that every person who got the virus were found and tested.

Who do you think would fare better in giving a presentation? You with your nonsense, or me with my estimates?

That's not the claim.

And yes in the future it can be estimated well when there is more data, now it's a guess.

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

Argue with the absurd data from the who if you want.

5% critical
14% serious disease (requiring hospitalization and O2.)

I don't think anyone is arguing with the data. Just that the metrics are sort of meaningless to an extent. What it tells us is that out of the people that deem themselves sick enough to present, 19% require hospitalisation. You can extrapolate from that that as resources get squeezed, that number goes up. And by the same token, the real number of cases requiring hospitalisation is probably significantly below 19%.

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

It is up to yourself obviously and it is a very kind gesture but it’s a dog eat dog world out there.

As a man says look after number 1 first and foremost.

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

You keep working away there. Acting the hero may sound noble and all that but you can't go through life thinking like that. Anything could happen to you in the next few weeks where you need money, you don't know. You may not need money now but you may need it in the future.

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

I wouldn't be giving up my job for another colleague just because he has high rent and a family, he's not your responsibility.

spookwoman wrote: »

Red eyes is interesting, a nurse in Italy thinks that may be one of the symptoms as well.

Red eye described here also
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-cases-washington-state-red-eyes-symptoms-hospital-nurses-a9422086.html%3famp

Ellie2008 wrote: »

Have they taken any steps at all? Social distancing, no cash, encourage contactless?

They got a 3ft x 4ft plexi screen put in this week at the checkouts. Where the actual scanner is, where customers never stand. It's a start.
Yeah the markers are now on the floor at the checkouts.

No change with payments.

Buckets of sanitiser with a roll of cloths inside on entry.

Tables spaced out recently in the staff area.
I bring in my own cup and wipe down table after use.

Other people's hygiene and cleaning standards leave a lot to be desired. So I can only count on my actions with cleaning.

Shared checkouts, shared computer, shared hand held equipment etc
Conscious even down to a pen. ( not regularly used but buying rather than borrowing just to write a signature.)

I clean everything before I start to use it, and after and encourage others to too.
Maybe I'm over conscious.

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of the things they did in China at an early stage of the outbreak was to shut down public transport. Why has that not been even mentioned here. It’s such an obvious means of spreading the virus. There is no possibility of maintaining any distance from other people. Everyone should be encouraged to cycle, walk or use their cars instead.

Because alot of the staff in our hospitals and food shops etc need it to get to work. I'm still getting the bus to work as my place of work hasn't closed and there are maybe 4 of us on a double decker. I don't have a car or bike and it is too far to walk.

I heard last night that the deaths attributed to COVID19 were of people who had tested positive and since died.

As the numbers increase, we may well get patients being admitted to ICU who didn't get tested (due to high waiting or other reason) who then also die.

Are these deaths going to be linked as official as they won't have been tested?

Are we going to actually see a less death toll than what could be the actual?

deise08 wrote: »

They got a 3ft x 4ft plexi screen put in this week at the checkouts. Where the actual scanner is, where customers never stand. It's a start.
Yeah the markers are now on the floor at the checkouts.

No change with payments.

Buckets of sanitiser with a roll of cloths inside on entry.

Tables spaced out recently in the staff area.
I bring in my own cup and wipe down table after use.

Other people's hygiene and cleaning standards leave a lot to be desired. So I can only count on my actions with cleaning.

Shared checkouts, shared computer, shared hand held equipment etc
Conscious even down to a pen. ( not regularly used but buying rather than borrowing just to write a signature.)

I clean everything before I start to use it, and after and encourage others to too.
Maybe I'm over conscious.

No such thing as being over conscious in this environment. I’d bring up the point about payments - encouraging people to use contactless cards & their phones. Not fair on staff.