CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

marilynrr · 27-03-2020 06:34AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

We are hospitalizing 29% of confirmed cases. Friend in there now is one of these. He has low oxygen levels.

From Tuesday at midnight the figures were 1383 positive with 340 in hospital

Someone said a couple of days back that we hospitalised the first 80 patients who had it just to keep them in isolation. I'm not sure if that figure was accurate but if it was then the rough 20% figure is correct.

I hope your friends recovers quickly.

Quantum Erasure · 27-03-2020 06:34AM

A month and a half ago, there was 60,000 cases worldwide. Yesterday there were 60,000 new cases in one day

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1243340753427980289

Jayzee. · 27-03-2020 06:38AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

We are hospitalizing 29% of confirmed cases. Friend in there now is one of these. He has low oxygen levels.

That stat seems meaningless

Confirmed cases is not the real number of cases so you can't draw a conclusion on what percent are being hospiralized

HopsAndJumps · 27-03-2020 06:40AM

Jayzee. wrote: »

That stat seems meaningless

Confirmed cases is not the real number of cases so you can't draw a conclusion on what percent are being hospiralized

It's the only data we have.

Quantum Erasure · 27-03-2020 06:42AM

Jayzee. wrote: »

That stat seems meaningless

Confirmed cases is not the real number of cases so you can't draw a conclusion on what percent are being hospiralized

>you can't draw a conclusion

of those that fit the criteria for testing, X% tested positive, and of those Y% required hospitalisation.

27-03-2020 07:00AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

It's the only data we have.

No, it really isn't. We have a decent idea of asymptomatic and mild cases.

This blatant disregard of reality has been a feature of these threads since the first iteration back in January.

HopsAndJumps · 27-03-2020 07:08AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, it really isn't. We have a decent idea of asymptomatic and mild cases.

This blatant disregard of reality has been a feature of these threads since the first iteration back in January.

Present a graph with the Y access labeled decent idea on the next report you make for work. See how that blatant reality goes down. ðŸ˜‚

27-03-2020 07:13AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

Present a graph with the Y access labeled decent idea on the next report you make for work. See how that blatant reality goes down. ��

I would call it "estimated total cases", as will many others in the coming years, and it would be a lot more valuable than claiming that every person who got the virus were found and tested.

Who do you think would fare better in giving a presentation? You with your nonsense, or me with my estimates?

Itsalladdingup · 27-03-2020 07:15AM

When all’s said and done, I think the only stat that we can draw anything from is the number of deaths (to gauge how we’re coping). In my opinion, everything else is meaningless. I guess in time, as the virus takes real hold, the number of recoveries will also be a good figure to see how we have dealt with the crisis here. It’s an awful time to be vulnerable and/or old here - but then I think it’s pretty much the same, possibly with a few exceptions, everywhere. Some countries have undoubtedly better health care services (absolutely no reflection on our great doctors and nurses) I’ve had reason to be in hospital with a relative on and off over the last year and have been struck by how the system is creaking ordinarily. Very worrying now.

There’s not going to be many places that cope well. We’ll learn (hopefully!) from the places that do as something like this will happen again in years to come. We’re probably fortunate that it doesn’t just kill every single person in its path.

deise08 · 27-03-2020 07:15AM

Working for a major retailer.

Been reading these threads since the word go.

6 weeks ago I was laughed at for asking for sanitiser to be provided.

Telling people to buy a few extra things gradually so as not to be bulk buying/panic buying. Laughed at.

We have flexi contracts, so not set hours. Shifts can be anything for all workers.
I.e 5-2 8-4 10-6 2-10

Last week I suggested shifts to limit how many need isolating in case of infection instead of overlapping shifts. Laughed at.

Told I'm scared because customers are wearing masks now.

Anything I've been saying in the past is shockingly new to them now.

Because we work with the public, and a lot of elderly customers, I really think we should be tested regularly. Possibly bi weekly.
We've the most chance of being the carriers/spreaders. We are 'essential' so cannot not work.

In fact anybody working with the public should be tested weekly/bi weekly.

HopsAndJumps · 27-03-2020 07:15AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I would call it "estimated total cases", as will many others in the coming years, and it would be a lot more valuable than claiming that every person who got the virus were found and tested.

Who do you think would fare better in giving a presentation? You with your nonsense, or me with my estimates?

That's not the claim.

And yes in the future it can be estimated well when there is more data, now it's a guess.

otnomart · 27-03-2020 07:18AM

marilynrr wrote: »

We have been testing people even showing the mildest of symptoms. Most didn't have it.
Have Italy been testing people showing the mildest of symptoms?
Have they even been testing anyone at all since the lockdown started unless they become extremely unwell and have to go to the hospital.
I would imagine that the real Italian figures for people who had it is absolutely crazy and multiples of their official confirmed cases.

Italy has now done over 360 000 tests.
Over 36 000 tests only yesterday, which discovered the 6 100 new positive cases.

https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/#box_6

This chart which is from a week ago shows Italy's tests second to South Korea and ahead of the US.

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27-03-2020 07:20AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

That's not the claim.

And yes in the future it can be estimated well when there is more data, now it's a guess.

There are hundreds of thousands of cases. There is more than enough data to make educated estimates. Not doing so is absurd. Claiming 20% of people end up in hospital is absurd.

HopsAndJumps · 27-03-2020 07:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are hundreds of thousands of cases. There is more than enough data to make educated estimates. Not doing so is absurd. Claiming 20% of people end up in hospital is absurd.

Argue with the absurd data from the who if you want.

5% critical
14% serious disease (requiring hospitalization and O2.)

Pablo Escobar · 27-03-2020 07:48AM

HopsAndJumps wrote: »

Argue with the absurd data from the who if you want.

5% critical
14% serious disease (requiring hospitalization and O2.)

I don't think anyone is arguing with the data. Just that the metrics are sort of meaningless to an extent. What it tells us is that out of the people that deem themselves sick enough to present, 19% require hospitalisation. You can extrapolate from that that as resources get squeezed, that number goes up. And by the same token, the real number of cases requiring hospitalisation is probably significantly below 19%.

73bc61lyohr0mu · 27-03-2020 07:50AM

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

conor05 · 27-03-2020 07:58AM

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

It is up to yourself obviously and it is a very kind gesture but it’s a dog eat dog world out there.

As a man says look after number 1 first and foremost.

Tony EH · 27-03-2020 08:03AM

deise08 wrote: »

Working for a major retailer.

Been reading these threads since the word go.

6 weeks ago I was laughed at for asking for sanitiser to be provided.

Telling people to buy a few extra things gradually so as not to be bulk buying/panic buying. Laughed at.

We have flexi contracts, so not set hours. Shifts can be anything for all workers.
I.e 5-2 8-4 10-6 2-10

Last week I suggested shifts to limit how many need isolating in case of infection instead of overlapping shifts. Laughed at.

Leave that job as soon as you get a chance. They're cunts.

gifted · 27-03-2020 08:06AM

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

You keep working away there. Acting the hero may sound noble and all that but you can't go through life thinking like that. Anything could happen to you in the next few weeks where you need money, you don't know. You may not need money now but you may need it in the future.

Roger_007 · 27-03-2020 08:07AM

One of the things they did in China at an early stage of the outbreak was to shut down public transport. Why has that not been even mentioned here. It’s such an obvious means of spreading the virus. There is no possibility of maintaining any distance from other people. Everyone should be encouraged to cycle, walk or use their cars instead.

RollieFingers · 27-03-2020 08:10AM

Frederick Shrilling Sinner wrote: »

I'm a courier. Our company got told that Next and River Island are shutting their online stores. That's another driver gone for us. The lad who's probably going to be let go has kids and is paying hefty rent. It's just me with no bills and cheap rent. I'm gonna suggest to the boss to let me go instead and keep the other guy on. I don't want to stop working but I don't want to see anyone stuck, especially with a small family. Opinions?

I wouldn't be giving up my job for another colleague just because he has high rent and a family, he's not your responsibility.

RollieFingers · 27-03-2020 08:11AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of the things they did in China at an early stage of the outbreak was to shut down public transport. Why has that not been even mentioned here. It’s such an obvious means of spreading the virus. There is no possibility of maintaining any distance from other people. Everyone should be encouraged to cycle, walk or use their cars instead.

I'm currently on a bus into the city centre from the Southside, there's 3 people on it including me, they've been practically empty all week.

beolight · 27-03-2020 08:11AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Red eyes is interesting, a nurse in Italy thinks that may be one of the symptoms as well.

Red eye described here also
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-cases-washington-state-red-eyes-symptoms-hospital-nurses-a9422086.html%3famp

Ellie2008 · 27-03-2020 08:13AM

deise08 wrote: »

Working for a major retailer.

Been reading these threads since the word go.

6 weeks ago I was laughed at for asking for sanitiser to be provided.

Telling people to buy a few extra things gradually so as not to be bulk buying/panic buying. Laughed at.

We have flexi contracts, so not set hours. Shifts can be anything for all workers.
I.e 5-2 8-4 10-6 2-10

Last week I suggested shifts to limit how many need isolating in case of infection instead of overlapping shifts. Laughed at.

Told I'm scared because customers are wearing masks now.

Anything I've been saying in the past is shockingly new to them now.

Because we work with the public, and a lot of elderly customers, I really think we should be tested regularly. Possibly bi weekly.
We've the most chance of being the carriers/spreaders. We are 'essential' so cannot not work.

In fact anybody working with the public should be tested weekly/bi weekly.

Have they taken any steps at all? Social distancing, no cash, encourage contactless?

amadangomor · 27-03-2020 08:28AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Viruses don't have an interest, they have no motive and no mind, it's a ridiculous way of looking at it.

Never said it has a mind but life form's are motivated to pass on their genetic material.

It is in their interest to pass on their genetic material and will evolve better strategies to do so. Can do this without a mind. It's well established science since Darwin ffs.

Read the selfish gene by Richard Dawkins.

darjeeling · 27-03-2020 08:33AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

I really thought, that a month in with a population a quarter that of N Italy, our numbers would be lower than theirs.(Italy's)

Especially, as I pointed out, our population is just a fraction of theirs.

I thought it didn't bode well for us. I am on my own in this.

To be grim about it, it's not the number of cases that tell you how big the epidemic is, it's the number of deaths.

Cases mostly just tell you how much testing is being done. The more you test, the more you find.
We're still testing quite a lot of the people with symptoms.
Italy can only test people sick enough to go to hospital. One recent paper estimated the Italian epidemic at 20x the recorded cases.

Ireland today has seen the same number of deaths per million as Italy did 19 days ago.
We took social distancing measures about a week after Italy.
Had we waited another two weeks, I think we could well have been set for a similar epidemic to Italy, but the early action taken here means we should have averted that fate.

In the UK, which acted a few days after us, experts advising the government expect the epidemic to peak in three weeks.
Italy should peak sooner - maybe in a week.

My guess is we peak in 2-3 weeks.
But then what do we do?

deise08 · 27-03-2020 08:33AM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

Have they taken any steps at all? Social distancing, no cash, encourage contactless?

They got a 3ft x 4ft plexi screen put in this week at the checkouts. Where the actual scanner is, where customers never stand. It's a start.
Yeah the markers are now on the floor at the checkouts.

No change with payments.

Buckets of sanitiser with a roll of cloths inside on entry.

Tables spaced out recently in the staff area.
I bring in my own cup and wipe down table after use.

Other people's hygiene and cleaning standards leave a lot to be desired. So I can only count on my actions with cleaning.

Shared checkouts, shared computer, shared hand held equipment etc
Conscious even down to a pen. ( not regularly used but buying rather than borrowing just to write a signature.)

I clean everything before I start to use it, and after and encourage others to too.
Maybe I'm over conscious.

Peruvian Flake · 27-03-2020 08:35AM

Another 8 weeks with no pints, at the minimum.

uptherebels · 27-03-2020 08:41AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of the things they did in China at an early stage of the outbreak was to shut down public transport. Why has that not been even mentioned here. It’s such an obvious means of spreading the virus. There is no possibility of maintaining any distance from other people. Everyone should be encouraged to cycle, walk or use their cars instead.

Because alot of the staff in our hospitals and food shops etc need it to get to work. I'm still getting the bus to work as my place of work hasn't closed and there are maybe 4 of us on a double decker. I don't have a car or bike and it is too far to walk.

Jayzee. · 27-03-2020 08:42AM

Peruvian Flake wrote: »

Another 8 weeks with no pints, at the minimum.

Jaysus be a lot longer than that I'd say

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03