CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 06:52PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Again its all relative to their population.

Even if the US matches it, adding 700+ a day, they're still doing better than Italy.

The US has 5-6 times the population of Italy, so for them to do worse they would have to have 5-6 times the number of deaths, and a daily rate of that would be around 3,500 deaths per day if Italy continues to be at 650.

Yes, I understand that completely, which is why I wondered if anyone has modeled it properly. I also don't think the comparison to Italy is much to shout about- they're the worst case we've seen. The US wants to be doing better than China and the EU overall, if they're going to make these vague claims of it being "better" in the US.

China slowed down appreciably somewhere around 60,000-75,000 cases. The US is in exponential growth at 75,000 cases. At 60,000-75,000 cases, China was recording less than 150 deaths per day. The US recorded 141 deaths three days ago, 225 deaths two days ago, 247 deaths yesterday. The raw numbers are worse than China and the curve is frankly frightening.

It looks very likely the USA will far exceed cases and deaths in China.

The counter argument will be about dictatorships, etc. So I guess the comparison to the EU will matter more. That'll be hard to call for some weeks to come.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 26-03-2020 06:52PM

take everything wrote: »

That's scary.
"Nine eleven nothing compared to this" from what looks like a senior ICU physician.

Hospitals were waiting for huge casualties on 9/11...

But they never really came in the huge numbers they expected. Because anyone left in those buildings usually died... and most who got out were not seriously injured.

xabi · 26-03-2020 06:54PM

Lavinia wrote: »

is there any information available on how many people globally die from flu or pulmonary related diseases annually

when i google this i get only corona stuff...

i am just trying to put this to some perspective

i did find that annually about 10 million people die from cancer for example

Before Corona came on the scene, in Ireland we had 4000 flu cases and 100 deaths this flu season.

billybonkers · 26-03-2020 06:54PM

Lavinia wrote: »

is there any information available on how many people globally die from flu or pulmonary related diseases annually

when i google this i get only corona stuff...

i am just trying to put this to some perspective

i did find that annually about 10 million people die from cancer for example

It's not relevant, totally different scenario. If you google it, its the first thing that comes up

650k per year from flu globally

Blueshoe · 26-03-2020 06:54PM

Xertz wrote: »

OK can someone correct the first post then as it's out by a factor of 1000

2.2 Trillion package I believe.
Split between business, health and welfare

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 06:55PM

Xertz wrote: »

OK can someone correct the first post then as it's out by a factor of 1000

Done!

billybonkers · 26-03-2020 06:57PM

510,000 cases globally as of now, just passed the 500k mark with the last update.

I fear for New York, the UK and the US going down Italy/Spain route

God love them

Naggdefy · 26-03-2020 06:58PM

Today we deal with expectations that are very different than 100 years ago. High death rate at birth, infant mortality in general, lower life expectancy, no penicillin and other drugs, a recent world war meant death was an everyday experience in 1918/19.

Today we expect to live long lives. The growth of media means we here of many deaths that are 'before their time'. Can't escape mentally from a pandemic, which wouldn't be reported 24/7 in our homes, on our phones in 1918.

Ireland lost 23,000 in the 1918/19 flu pandemic. Today if we had 5,000 deaths, less than a quarter it would be considered a disaster. Not saying it wouldn't be. But in the overall context we may have done well, but the constant barrage of funeral pics etc would lead us to believe we did terribly.

loughside · 26-03-2020 06:59PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Just a perfectly innocent question with no underlying agenda.

The EU have allocated a €37 billion fund which can be used to support any member states and the're building a pan-European stockpile of medical devices and PPE, so that they can shift resources to countries that need them most urgently. I'm sure there's more, but that's just what I've heard on the same news you've doubtlessly been listening to.

Ireland is doing pretty well by comparison to most, so I would really not expect we would need them to step in here. Hopefully that will stay the case.

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

rossie1977 · 26-03-2020 06:59PM

xabi wrote: »

Before Corona came on the scene, in Ireland we had 4000 flu cases and 100 deaths this flu season.

4,000 admitted to hospital not 4,000 total. that's mid January and already over 2,700 had been in hospital with flu and 44 deaths https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/hse-44-deaths-from-flu-so-far-this-season-975933.html

Cork Boy 53 · 26-03-2020 06:59PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Currently the USA has 1,100 deaths out of a 327,000,000 population.

That's 11 deaths per 3,270,000. Not too dissimilar to us and a lot less than Wales at 28 deaths for a similar population.

My point being in very large population countries, the likes of a Trump isn't going to be overally worried at such relatively small numbers.

I'm sure he's saying to himself these deaths are nothing to shut down our economy for, around 3 deaths per million of population.

By the way I don't concur with that viewpoint. But that man probably won't be convinced till the figure per million climbs very high.

If half the population of the entire USA was wiped out it wouldn't bother Trump as long as they were not in his voter base. The man is a complete moron and needs to be removed from all decision making now.

Monkeynut · 26-03-2020 06:59PM

Press release time today?

Please if a mod knows the time each day, can it fit into the title?

Save a lot of WHAT TIME IS THE PRESS RELEASE TODAY?
or maybe not.

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 06:59PM

Lavinia wrote: »

is there any information available on how many people globally die from flu or pulmonary related diseases annually

when i google this i get only corona stuff...

i am just trying to put this to some perspective

i did find that annually about 10 million people die from cancer for example

It's less about the number of deaths as it is that they are unexpected, additional deaths that have not been planned for and come in a surge that is difficult to manage in a short space of time, which then overwhelms our systems causing yet more deaths.

You also have to keep in mind that we have mitigations for cancer and flu. Proven medicines, vaccines. Reasonable actions can be taken to reduce them.

We have nothing when it comes to this coronavirus. The only possible responses are physical barriers, distance and a lot of soap.

tigger123 · 26-03-2020 07:00PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Today we deal with expectations that are very different than 100 years ago. High death rate at birth, infant mortality in general, lower life expectancy, no penicillin and other drugs meant death was an everyday experience.

Today we expect to live long lives. The growth of media means we here of many deaths that are 'before their time'. Can't escape mentally from a pandemic, which wouldn't be reported 24/7 in our homes, on our phones in 1918.

Ireland lost 23,000 in the 1918/19 flu pandemic. Today if we had 5,000 deaths, less than a quarter it would be considered a disaster. Not saying it wouldn't be. But in the overall context we may have done well, but the constant barrage of funeral pics etc would lead us to believe we did terribly.

Pretty hard to see that level of context if someone close to you is at risk of dying from this virus.

Every one of those 25k deaths were mourned by the people around them.

take everything · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

The difference in mortality between the ROI and Ireland is stark. Anyone know why this might be

walshb · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

Monkeynut wrote: »

Press release time today?

Please if a mod knows the time each day, can it fit into the title?

Save a lot of WHAT TIME IS THE PRESS RELEASE TODAY?
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8.45

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

Yes, we all read your position on the EU from your question, but okay. By all means over-explain it to us.

GM228 · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

They have done more than the post you quoted, also to note there is actually very little otherwise that the EU can do, it is limited in what it can do by the various competence clauses of the EU treaties.

loughside · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

At least the much maligned British on this thread threw in £3.2 billion to help the country when it was about to go down the toilet

AtomicHorror · 26-03-2020 07:02PM

take everything wrote: »

The difference in mortality between the ROI and Ireland is stark. Anyone know why this might be

Small numbers amplify any variability.

jam_mac_jam · 26-03-2020 07:03PM

Monkeynut wrote: »

Press release time today?

Please if a mod knows the time each day, can it fit into the title?

Save a lot of WHAT TIME IS THE PRESS RELEASE TODAY?
or maybe not.

8.45

Maybe you could read back a little?

Naggdefy · 26-03-2020 07:03PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Pretty hard to see that level of context if someone close to you is at risk of dying from this virus.

Every one of those 25k deaths were mourned by the people around them.

Of course they were. But nationally people were more conditioned to accept and move on. They were only out of Victorian\Edwardian period and mindset.

ArchXStanton · 26-03-2020 07:03PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

Too busy having photo-ops with Greta

Coillte_Bhoy · 26-03-2020 07:03PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

Why didnt you just come out with your anti EU jibe instead of this soft soaping bs question and no-one bit, ah poor you?

loughside wrote: »

By the way guys, just a question - as members of the EU what have they done for Ireland to help in this emergency?

Cody montana · 26-03-2020 07:04PM

When you go to the supermarket and try not to cough.

Awkward!

Lavinia · 26-03-2020 07:05PM

mohawk wrote: »

There will be no vaccine in the next few weeks.

ive heard not to expect this in next 12 months or so realistically

billybonkers wrote: »

510,000 cases globally as of now, just passed the 500k mark with the last update.

yes but about 123k recovered and 23k died,so about 365k active cases

26-03-2020 07:05PM

loughside wrote: »

So in other words sweet eff all!
Disgraceful the gov. has to send Aer Lingus have to go all the way to China for urgent supplies when the EU have sat on their arses doing nothing to help

37B not 37M

Also there is this thing called Google, it's very good at finding answers to questions.

Monkeynut · 26-03-2020 07:06PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

8.45

Maybe you could read back a little?

You's all saved me the hassle. Thanks

But really. It would be nice to have it in the title each day. As i said if it fits.

Thanks again.

26-03-2020 07:07PM

Cody montana wrote: »

When you go to the supermarket and try not to cough.

Awkward!

How you feeling, did you get a test/results?

otnomart · 26-03-2020 07:08PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Italy: +6,153 new cases/+662 additional deaths.

Seems to be stabilising? New cases up on yesterday but not dramatically.

Italian Gov are explaining the number of cases today in the delayed results of some tests.
Italy did 36600 tests today vs 27400 yesterday vs 21400 the day before

https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/#box_6

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03