Is it just me or have SF vanished?

26-03-2020 05:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would dispute that actually.

It is a very simple task in many ways as everything else is on somewhat of a back burner.
FG have done well to hand over to the experts who are performing one of the most radical 'fixes' to our health system ever seen...including doing some things FG themselves have been stridently saying could never be done.

Will it be enough to fix what almost every FF FG member and supporter in this country thought was a problem too big to fix, remains to be seen.

Comparing what is happening now to before is ridiculous.

In the past, if we spent money like we are doing now our credit rating would drop and the economy would suffer as a result.

At least with COVID-19 being a global problem we should have access to cheap credit and even still we face austerity again.

suicide_circus · 26-03-2020 05:44PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

:pac: SF aren't losing anything just because a few FG fanboys on Boards.ie are starting threads to bitch about them. The bitching about SF from FFG and their MSM media dogs like Pat Kenny and Miriam O'Callaghan if anything translated in to a growing of support for SF, it seems they never learn.

you misunderstand me comrade, the poster i was replying to was saying SF cant win; if they comment on the government's handling of the crisis they are playing politics at the wrong time, if they stay silent they are "vanishing" - a lose/lose situation. My point is, when they get into government they had better get used to this, when the hurlers on the ditch start at them.

blanch152 · 26-03-2020 05:50PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I also think FG are handling this well, for the record. But I also sincerely hope there's a reckoning after all this is over, with why measures such as a rent freeze are considered acceptable to deal with one crisis (COVID-19) and not another crisis (a whole generation being f*cked over by high rents and seeing their lives slipping away). People shouldn't forget how quickly measures which were "impossible" a few weeks ago were introduced when a crisis appeared that had the potential to disrupt the lives of everyone, as opposed to one from which the establishment class are shielded.

What a ridiculous point to make.

This three-month rent freeze together with the other short-term measures is going to result in all of us paying a lot more taxes for two or three years and probably also see the frontline healthcare workers do without pay increases for the same time, and you think we can do it every week?

That is before I comment on how you compare people dying from Covid-19 to milleniums that can't afford an apartment near their mammy as being similar crises.

Ballso · 26-03-2020 05:57PM

blanch152 wrote: »

What a ridiculous point to make.

This three-month rent freeze together with the other short-term measures is going to result in all of us paying a lot more taxes for two or three years and probably also see the frontline healthcare workers do without pay increases for the same time, and you think we can do it every week?

That is before I comment on how you compare people dying from Covid-19 to milleniums that can't afford an apartment near their mammy as being similar crises.

This sort of thing really gives an insight into what a Sinn Fein government would be like. We are doing enormous damage to the economy which will affect huge numbers of people's lives because the other choice is to let the vulnerable die. SF supporters think this should be the norm!!

SEPT 23 1989 · 26-03-2020 05:57PM

This supposed working class party are leading the charge to put 150,000 construction workers on the dole

all about the mane · 26-03-2020 06:08PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This supposed working class party are leading the charge to put 150,000 construction workers on the dole

SF’s base are the unemployed. They couldn’t care less about those actually working.

TheCitizen · 26-03-2020 06:47PM

all about the mane wrote: »

SF’s base are the unemployed. They couldn’t care less about those actually working.

SF got 24.5% of the vote, more than any other party. It's not just unemployed people that vote SF but I'm sure they won't mind if your party continues to abandon the unemployed and give up on even trying to get their votes.

TheCitizen · 26-03-2020 06:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This supposed working class party are leading the charge to put 150,000 construction workers on the dole

It's not just SF that are questioning the conditions for workers on building sites, the unions are as well but you're not interested in that.

The CIF which represents building employers they're calling for sites to remain open, you'd typically be on their side as opposed to the regular workers on the sites.

TheCitizen · 26-03-2020 06:53PM

Ballso wrote: »

You're right there, I would never vote SF now, despite giving them some preferences in the past. Populist vermin trading on fear and ignorance, I hope they get eviscerated in the next election.

:pac: Utter nonsense

TheCitizen · 26-03-2020 06:54PM

Praetorian wrote: »

I'd say if FG could orchestrate another election after the "emergency" has finished, I think they would do quite well. Honestly I think they are doing a very good job considering the circumstances.

Oh go ahead, go right ahead.

jimmycrackcorm · 26-03-2020 07:01PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

SF got 24.5% of the vote, more than any other party. It's not just unemployed people that vote SF but I'm sure they won't mind if your party continues to abandon the unemployed and give up on even trying to get their votes.

Strangely now we never hear about the mythical FFG party that SF voters were saying that they were the alternative to.

FFG, two cheeks of the same arse I heard more often than not, got twice as many seats.

SEPT 23 1989 · 26-03-2020 07:02PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

It's not just SF that are questioning the conditions for workers on building sites, the unions are as well but you're not interested in that.

The CIF which represents building employers they're calling for sites to remain open, you'd typically be on their side as opposed to the regular workers on the sites.

Anyone in the industry including workers I talk to want to see sites left open

Sinn Fein unions etc will reap what they sow

suicide_circus · 26-03-2020 07:02PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

SF got 24.5% of the vote, more than any other party. It's not just unemployed people that vote SF but I'm sure they won't mind if your party continues to abandon the unemployed and give up on even trying to get their votes.

a huge amount of traditional working class Labour voters loaned their vote to BoJo in the last GE in the UK, this does not now make them Tories. A protest vote is a protest vote.

Junkyard Tom · 26-03-2020 07:04PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

But I also sincerely hope there's a reckoning after all this is over

Yep, while the middle-aged, comfortably pensioned, property-owning Irish Indo/Times readers here shit their pants over the fall-off in the FF/FG vote there are hundreds of thousands of people asking the questions you've posed above.

jimmycrackcorm · 26-03-2020 07:05PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Oh go ahead, go right ahead.

There'll be no getting away with SF magic promises of 100k free gaffes. The economy will have to be rebuilt again just like after 2008.

Who will the pubic trust to do that? The party that had the record of doing so Vs a party that could not be bothered trying to govern in the North for three years.

TheCitizen · 26-03-2020 07:09PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Anyone in the industry including workers I talk to want to see sites left open

Sinn Fein unions etc will reap what they sow

Hold on here a second. If it's not safe for public safety reasons for sites to remain open they should be shut and it doesn't matter what the workers and builders on the sites think. Other work places have been shut.

Reap what they sew? The irony of that comment. You should be directing that comment at the building industry if they fail to comply with public health guidelines.

Are you bitching at SF for calling for something that won't be popular now? But aren't SF the populist party? "Populist vermin" according to one of your pals on the thread there. Honestly you lot are full of shít.

smurgen · 26-03-2020 07:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

This supposed working class party are leading the charge to put 150,000 construction workers on the dole

Is that why construction worker workers in Australia Canada and the US are striking now to be left go home? Is SF driving that in these countries too?

all about the mane · 26-03-2020 08:23PM

smurgen wrote: »

Is that why construction worker workers in Australia Canada and the US are striking now to be left go home? Is SF driving that in these countries too?

That’s what happens when you guarantee wages whether they turn up or not

BarryD2 · 26-03-2020 08:27PM

Runaways wrote: »

Theyve been all over the radio tv and papers the past two weeks.

I get people can’t tune into everything but they’ve been far more visible than at any point I can ever remember. And they’ve not made mention of their get rid of the border objective once.
Bizarre take Barry

I've heard a bit here & there as they aim to claw back onto the agenda. But you need to listen more carefully to The Message. It comes in all sorts of subtle ways, currently it's framed towards disease control and dressed up that way.

The aspiration to get rid of the border is a fine & laudable objective but it's WELL down the list of priorities for most ordinary punters. Not No 1.

26-03-2020 10:19PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There'll be no getting away with SF magic promises of 100k free gaffes. The economy will have to be rebuilt again just like after 2008.

Who will the pubic trust to do that? The party that had the record of doing so Vs a party that could not be bothered trying to govern in the North for three years.

be interesting alright but I'm not convinced people are voting rationally when they vote for SF.

No one could look at the cluster-**** that has been the NI health system, economy or Assembly and think SF are any good at governance.

Jinglejangle69 · 26-03-2020 11:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

be interesting alright but I'm not convinced people are voting rationally when they vote for SF.

No one could look at the cluster-**** that has been the NI health system, economy or Assembly and think SF are any good at governance.

Free gaff free everything brigade mostly.

Cohorts who have the same mindset through all age groups.

smurgen · 26-03-2020 11:41PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Free gaff free everything brigade mostly.

Cohorts who have the same mindset through all age groups.

You sound like a daily mail or daily express writer.

storker · 27-03-2020 12:09AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Strangely now we never hear about the mythical FFG party that SF voters were saying that they were the alternative to.

FFG, two cheeks of the same arse I heard more often than not, got twice as many seats.

Let them be honest with the electorate and stand as single party, and see how many votes they get.

all about the mane · 27-03-2020 12:17AM

storker wrote: »

Let them be honest with the electorate and stand as single party, and see how many votes they get.

The grass roots of either party wouldn't stand for them joining together. One of them will end up disappearing. At the moment my money is on FF. They are closer to SF than FG are and so votes may be continue to be lost to them.

Darc19 · 27-03-2020 12:54AM

They attempted to jump start a new bandwagon today by claiming banks would profit from the crisis

They claim 200k balance on 30 year mortgage would hand the banks over €1800 in extra interest

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/banks-accused-of-profiting-on-back-of-pandemic-990318.html

Not sure what calculator they use (possibly its the same one that worked out the number of ink cartridges required), but my very correct calculations show that if you had a mortgagee who took out a loan this month for 200k and for 30 years at 3.25% (most/all new mortgages would be lower) would be paying €1057 extra interest for extending by 3 months assuming rates stayed the same.

Considering it has barely been mentioned, I guess it fell on its face.

Fools

Suckit · 27-03-2020 12:56AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Strangely now we never hear about the mythical FFG party that SF voters were saying that they were the alternative to.

FFG, two cheeks of the same arse I heard more often than not, got twice as many seats.

Strangely now we have a global pandemic and we don't hear a lot of things we were hearing a few months ago.

Fann Linn · 27-03-2020 01:07AM

Suckit wrote: »

Strangely now we have a global pandemic and we don't hear a lot of things we were hearing a few months ago.

You're right.
Takes a world wide pandemic to make them look good whilst still being shamed into paying student nurses.

Auguste Comte · 27-03-2020 09:57AM

The One Doctor wrote: »

FG will be returned in a landslide next election. It'll be like SF never had their victory.

I highly doubt that. When people see how FG ran down the health service leaving us with the worst health service in Europe while we face into biggest health care crisis in generations they will reassess their priorities.

Just like Britain after WW2 people will see that society not the economy needs to be the priority.

Wanderer78 · 27-03-2020 10:00AM

Auguste Comte wrote:

I highly doubt that. When people see how FG ran down the health service leaving us with the worst health service in Europe while we face into biggest health care crisis in generations they will reassess their priorities.

The truth is, we ve no clue how the next ge will go, I'd expect a bump for ffg and a possible decline for sf, people have short memories

Runaways · 27-03-2020 10:01AM

Refused nurses a pay rise.
Threatened them if they striked
Shamed into paying student nurses during this crisis.

I’m fairly sure everyone will remember who did this come next election.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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