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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #392
    AtomicHorror
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    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    In comparison to European countries they always were, 330 million, which is closer to the population of the entire Schengen zone (420 million) than any individual European country.

    Its mortality rate isn't too bad though relative to their population.

    For sure, you can't really compare USA to Italy, but you kinda have to sit up and pay attention when their cases exceed China's, despite a known shortage of test kits.

    They're at about 200 cases per million, so they're also much earlier in their curve than most European countries. When they get to 1200 per million, like Italy and Spain, that will be more telling. They're only now starting to make statements to the effect of local health services coming overwhelmed, so I'd say this will start to change quite rapidly.


  • #393
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17

    Government records suggest first person infected with new disease may have been a Hubei resident aged 55, but ‘patient zero’ has yet to be confirmed
    Documents seen by the Post could help scientists track the spread of the disease and perhaps determine its source
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back


  • #394
    Humberto Salazar
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    Over 500,000 cases just passed. Multiply x ten to twenty for true number worldwide.


  • #395
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Brussels Sprout wrote: »
    Weren't they also adhering to the debunked "Herd Immunity" strategy along with the Brits a few weeks ago? I think their PM went on TV about it

    I think so, yes. Muppets.

    Interestingly too, Spain though on paper fairly sparsely populated, houses most of its population within 13% of the landmass so the population is actually bunched together quite closely. May be why things are escalating there so badly.

    A really interesting article on the population densities of European countries:

    http://theconversation.com/think-your-country-is-crowded-these-maps-reveal-the-truth-about-population-density-across-europe-90345


  • #396
    Sam Russell
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    Dovies wrote: »
    May have been asked already but we were watching a US hospital drama last night and health insurance and lack of came up - what will happen to those people in the US who do not have health insurance? Will they be treated and risk running up huge bills or just ride it out at home and hope for the best?

    I would think that many will end up much poorer and some will die. Some that die from the virus will not be counted as such.

    We are much kinder in this country (mostly).


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  • #397
    OneEightSeven
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    I know of a man in his late-'70s who died of coronavirus today. He was in St. James' Hospital for the last 8 days.


  • #398
    givyjoe
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That's what your looking at anyway if a suppressive/mitigation strategy is going to be followed. ICU capacity will govern things going forward. Raise in ICU admissions above a certain level triggers measures like closing schools/uni's etc. I can see a very disruptive couple of years for the education sector ahead.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
    Yes, I realise that. But upping the testing capacity, not decreasing can help to minimise the severity of the measures needed. Finding these people before the spread the illness, as much as possible. A mass available home testing kit in the future would be fantastic, probably science fiction though for the moment.


  • #399
    Tell me how
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    walshb wrote: »
    Almost 500 deaths in Spain today..is that their highest? 498

    No. Their lowest number of deaths in 4 days.


  • #400
    Cork Boy 53
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

    Patient zero then. Did he eat a pangolin from the wet market?


  • #401
    Rvsmmnps
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    How many are they expecting to die in Ireland?


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  • #402
    is_that_so
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    A view of the Trump notion to reopen at Easter, with an interactive graph on distancing effect.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/25/opinion/coronavirus-trump-reopen-america.html


  • #403
    Blueshoe
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    Rvsmmnps wrote: »
    How many are they expecting to die in Ireland?

    Hopefully no more. Realistically I have no idea


  • #404
    Hector Savage
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    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Patient zero then. Did he eat a pangolin from the wet market?

    Either that or a sh1tty ducks arsehole ...


  • #405
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    I'm convinced that's what this coccon tactic that Leo and Boris have come out with is

    They know there is only so long they can provide all this social welfare relief as well as pay pensions and most importantly keep the HSE going in current restrictions without completly seeing some or all taking drastic cuts after a few months

    I think they know they'll have to get the working age population back out there and take their chances trying to use the cocoon strategy to protect the vulrenable

    Don't ask me what the solution for worker and vulrenable mixed household will be

    If they went in hard - wuhan style hard - from the beginning, they could gradually open the economy back up... and just contain the small outbreaks as they occur after that.

    Rather than this soft limp-wristed attempt at a quasi-lockdown, where the effect on the economy might last much longer!


  • #406
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    An interesting table of the population densities of European countries. The interesting figure is the Built-Up Density which is how the countries are ranked:

    file-20180118-158516-tnqwih.png

    From this article: https://theconversation.com/think-your-country-is-crowded-these-maps-reveal-the-truth-about-population-density-across-europe-90345


  • #407
    Thelonious Monk
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    Rvsmmnps wrote: »
    How many are they expecting to die in Ireland?

    93,208


  • #408
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    The USA moves into 2nd place for cases... looks like they'll move into 1st place by the end of today.

    Their death rate is still looking okay for now though...


  • #409
    What Username Guidelines
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    where are you based?

    Got sorted, but thank you. Just hope it's not every week and/or they don't pull deliver services.


  • #410
    Hobgoblin11
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Their death rate is still looking okay for now though...

    there will be a surge

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #411
    pH
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8154905/Tesco-asks-young-people-stop-ordering-food-online-shop-store.html

    This 'a billion pounds worth of food' story has been doing the rounds of UK media for a while now for example:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/21/britons-should-ashamed-stockpiling-1bn-worth-food-coronavirus/

    (One billion hoarded over 3 weeks)

    But ...

    £1,000,000,000 / 68,000,000 = 1000 / 68 = £14.70 per person.

    That doesn't seem particularly excessive to me - a household of 4 people having around £60 of food in it, especially if people have been instructed to make infrequent trips to supermarkets.


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  • #412
    Rob A. Bank
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    zinfandel wrote: »
    so much for self isolating due to underlying conditions , I managed to get a slot for home delivery of groceries for tomorrow which I made 13 days ago, I ordered enough to last us the next 2 weeks and made what I had at home last until today .
    The order has just been cancelled, this will now force us back out into the wild, feel like crying.....

    Hi Zinfandel,

    I have seen photos of the Gardai shopping for people who are unable to leave home.

    You could ring the local Garda station and even if they are unable to help you, I am sure they would be able to point you in the direction of someone or some organization who could help.

    Don't despair, there is plenty of help out there... It's just a question of finding it.

    :)


  • #413
    Tony EH
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    Dovies wrote: »
    May have been asked already but we were watching a US hospital drama last night and health insurance and lack of came up - what will happen to those people in the US who do not have health insurance? Will they be treated and risk running up huge bills or just ride it out at home and hope for the best?

    Someone posted a Time Magazine article on the other thread that said one woman had a bill for 35,000 due to her Corona Virus treatment.


  • #414
    caveat emptor
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    zinfandel wrote: »
    so much for self isolating due to underlying conditions , I managed to get a slot for home delivery of groceries for tomorrow which I made 13 days ago, I ordered enough to last us the next 2 weeks and made what I had at home last until today .
    The order has just been cancelled, this will now force us back out into the wild, feel like crying.....

    Same happened me today. We are following advice and not going out etc. I ordered this day two weeks ago. I find it quite bad that they call half an hour before delivery to cancel. Not postpone, not reschedule. That's not fair in my mind.


  • #415
    AtomicHorror
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Their death rate is still looking okay for now though...

    In terms of %, sure. The curve is very worrying though. I think it's going to bad- and probably more so if another hub develops in somewhere like Florida or Michigan.


  • #416
    Rvsmmnps
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    93,208

    God that is high isn't it


  • #417
    SharpshooterTom
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    A view of the Trump notion to reopen at Easter, with an interactive graph on distancing effect.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/25/opinion/coronavirus-trump-reopen-america.html

    He wont reopen by easter.

    He has no authority to do so, its up to the local state governments and they've told him to eff off.

    More and more states are heading into lockdown, not the other way round.


  • #418
    ettravel
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    watching bbc news and sky news over the last few days there is a hell of a lot Irish people in high up jobs in NHS, fair play to them


  • #419
    felton
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    Who's going to applause at 8pm?


  • #420
    Wibbs
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    An interesting table of the population densities of European countries. The interesting figure is the Built-Up Density which is how the countries are ranked:
    Yeah and our third lowest actual pop density is a major advantage for us. Where the virus has gone nuts in Europe so far can be mapped to the deeply red areas of population density(with the exception of Germany). Even in Ireland most have been in the "east" last time I looked? IE Dublin.

    If you look at the 1918 flu pandemic it ripped through slums and cities, but was far less deadly in suburban and rural areas. Now we don't have slums like they did back then, but we have them in another sense, population density "slums". People packed tightly and vertically together. Like I said in the previous thread, if someone on my road has the virus, unless I directly interact with them and surfaces they touch, my risks are low. However if you put all the people on my average semi dee road into one apartment block the risk of spread ramps way up. Now every time I leave my house to go to the shops I interact with no neighbour's shared areas or surfaces, nor they with mine, but if we were all in an apartment block we would.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #421
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    ettravel wrote: »
    watching bbc news and sky news over the last few days there is a hell of a lot Irish people in high up jobs in NHS, fair play to them

    I got my first graduate job via the NHS, as a wet-behind-the-ears young one with no connection to England at all. I found they were far more interested in merit than connections.


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