CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

EDit · 26-03-2020 02:38PM

Good article here about situation in India: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52043465

Really have to hope it doesn’t get a foothold there

BorneTobyWilde · 26-03-2020 02:38PM

Cases worldwide went from 250,000 to 500,000 in blink of an eye, feels like we've had the earthquake, but the Tsunami hasn't arrived yet.

shocksy · 26-03-2020 02:39PM

nacho libre wrote: »

We won't have anything like the mortality rate of Italy, because we took restrictive measures fairly promptly, granted we fecked up by allowing the Cheltenham crowd to come back in untested, but in the main we were proactive and most people adhered to the government guidlines. You will always have a minority of selfish twats who won't, though.

Regardless of restrictions in place, we are continuing to allow flights into Ireland from Hotspots, the UK being the main one. Until a stop is put to imported cases we will continue to have more confirmed cases. Its scandalous that we still have open borders with the UK which will be an absolute cluster**** in a couple of weeks. The government truly f*cked up there because they were weak and always have been, and hopefully when things improve they will be held accountable for their f*ck up.

Red for Danger · 26-03-2020 02:40PM

NDWC wrote: »

People have been posting these "ominous" warnings every day for about 2 weeks at this stage. In reality it's pure scaremongering bollocks and ye haven't a clue.

So Netherlands Belgium France Switzerland Spain Portugal (not to mention USA and UK)all got it wrong and we've got this sorted.
Different countries have different things going for them and different challenges.
Those flattening the curve maps are true in that they buy you a week at most 10 days. But thats it in the end it ends ****ed up for all countrys.

iwillyeah1234 · 26-03-2020 02:40PM

893bet wrote: »

Do you think we should mirror their approach and throw rocks at pensioners?

Prob be proposed in the Dail tonight.

i think the problem is more because the care home they are coming from was an unbelievable petri-dish of infection, with 38 confirmed cases alone. People would naturally be highly scared of this moving into their village.

Not justifying the violence , but it's just a sign of how on-edge folks in Spain are right now.

is_that_so · 26-03-2020 02:44PM

Red for Danger wrote: »

So Netherlands Belgium France Switzerland Spain Portugal (not to mention USA and UK)all got it wrong and we've got this sorted.
Different countries have different things going for them and different challenges.
Those flattening the curve maps are true in that they buy you a week at most 10 days. But thats it in the end it ends ****ed up for all countries.

Don't know about Switzerland but the others did to an extent as evidenced by the growth in cases. It's not clear in our case just yet and while our curve is increasing it does not look as awful as some of those.

iwillyeah1234 · 26-03-2020 02:44PM

shocksy wrote: »

Regardless of restrictions in place, we are continuing to allow flights into Ireland from Hotspots, the UK being the main one. Until a stop is put to imported cases we will continue to have more confirmed cases. Its scandalous that we still have open borders with the UK which will be an absolute cluster**** in a couple of weeks. The government truly f*cked up there because they were weak and always have been, and hopefully when things improve they will be held accountable for their f*ck up.

3rd day of "lockdown" and the Tube in London is still dangerously packed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8154805/Fury-Sadiq-Khan-grows-workers-forced-packed-Tubes-3rd-day-coronavirus-lockdown.html

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ALL PASSENGER FLIGHTS TO/FROM LONDON NEED TO BE STOPPED NOW!!

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 02:44PM

EDit wrote: »

Good article here about situation in India: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52043465

Really have to hope it doesn’t get a foothold there

Young population. Median age 26.

Red for Danger · 26-03-2020 02:44PM

FVP3 wrote: »

If you keep the curve flattened the number of people infected peaks at a level the hospitals can handle. That's the idea. Theres no subsequent peak after a peak. That's a contradiction.

The integral below the line of the unflattened or flattened ccurvesres is the same. Same number of people infected overall, just in a different timeframe. However in one of them the hospitals can cope, in others they cant.

When someone dies in italy there straight outta care the army or however steps in not health care workers.
No way are other countries gonna be able hold the line as the system back up

DOCARCH · 26-03-2020 02:45PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Could be the USA's Chernobyl moment.

Off topic, but was thinking about Chernobyl yesterday. As far as I can recall, we were all told to stay indoors for two weeks (in Dublin)? I might be imagining it?

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 02:45PM

Red for Danger wrote: »

So Netherlands Belgium France Switzerland Spain Portugal (not to mention USA and UK)all got it wrong and we've got this sorted.
Different countries have different things going for them and different challenges.
Those flattening the curve maps are true in that they buy you a week at most 10 days. But thats it in the end it ends ****ed up for all countrys.

No, you dont understand that at all.

Hurrache · 26-03-2020 02:46PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

George Lee is a bit of a doomsday merchant.

Every time I hear him I get depressed.

He's a miserable **** ever since he got elected and realising being a politician is much tougher than a hurler in a ditch and quickly abandoned it. His post abandonment interview was full of self pity.

DOCARCH · 26-03-2020 02:47PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

ALL PASSENGER FLIGHTS TO/FROM LONDON NEED TO BE STOPPED NOW!!

Passenger flight from London (to Dublin) just brought in a lot of doctors to help with crisis here. :rolleyes:

shocksy · 26-03-2020 02:48PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

3rd day of "lockdown" and the Tube in London is still dangerously packed

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8154805/Fury-Sadiq-Khan-grows-workers-forced-packed-Tubes-3rd-day-coronavirus-lockdown.html

ALL PASSENGER FLIGHTS TO/FROM LONDON NEED TO BE STOPPED NOW!!

Exactly my point. It is far too late for the UK now. What's about to come their way can't be stopped now. However, if we close our borders from them we at least have some hope, otherwise we're importing all these cases that are going to explode in the coming days.

eagle eye · 26-03-2020 02:48PM

NDWC wrote:

People have been posting these "ominous" warnings every day for about 2 weeks at this stage. In reality it's pure scaremongering bollocks and ye haven't a clue.

If you have driven around any urban areas over the last few days you'll see that there are still a lot of people doing things they shouldn't be doing. The virus will spread a lot if people don't keep their distance, walk around with no gloves and wipe their eye, eat food with unwashed hands.
Too many idiots out there by at the minute.
Our testing is a joke. We need to all those on the waiting list to be tested pronto to have any idea where we are at.

lawrencesummers · 26-03-2020 02:49PM

Got a text from Three.

From Three. Staying in touch with friends and loved ones has never been more important. That's why we've removed data limits on our All You Can Eat Data service, made vital calls free and our network is ready. It's all part of coming together, even while we have to stay apart. Find out more at 3.ie/Here-to-Help. Opt Out m.three.ie/mp

I would like to publicly commend them for making the unlimited data packages unlimited. Unprecedented move by them that will do a lot im sure.

humberklog · 26-03-2020 02:49PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Off topic, but was thinking about Chernobyl yesterday. As far as I can recall, we were all told to stay indoors for two weeks (in Dublin)? I might be imagining it?

Nah, that didn't happen in Ireland.

Rob A. Bank · 26-03-2020 02:49PM

When the lunatic 'Herd Immunity' tactic was dreamed up, as a way to hurry the pandemic along to keep the money men happy, the science behind the idea was very thin on the ground.

Very, very, very thin indeed.

The science relied on a coronovirus experiment using 4 Chinese monkeys ! (not peer reviewed)

FOUR bloody monkeys !

You could not make it up !!!

All the rest of the Herd Immunity 'science' was just pure conjecture and extrapolating from previous flu epidemics.

The 'Herd' notion changed only when the UK realized that the necessary 60% infection rate in the general population, would result in a projected 1/4 million deaths. They changed tack and are now trying to minimize the death rate, but the damage has already been done... by Cheltenham, Crufts, football matches, concerts etc.

Are we still allowing the Brits entry without checks at the border ?

Are we asking them to isolate or quarantine ?

If not, we are effectively engaging in the same nasty underhand 'Herd Immunity' by stealth.

mcmoustache · 26-03-2020 02:49PM

owlbethere wrote: »

https://www.mpg.de/14610776/immune-boost-corona-virus

This looks very promising and hopefully it will work. Scientists in Germany are looking at the BCG vaccine. Originally its for TB. Studies on mice show it can protect against viral infections of the respiratory tract.

Fingers crossed it works. Although the BCG is not a vaccine against covid19, hopefully it will bridge a gap until a vaccine is available.

This may be a silly question but do they not give everyone the BCG anymore? I got mine in the early 90s, as did everyone else unless there were medical reasons for them not to.

darth_maul · 26-03-2020 02:50PM

Advice sent to local retailers in UK below,
Has any such advice been given to shops here, maybe forward this to your local independent store.
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Local shops while essential, have to realise that they are a huge vector for cases in their areas, while some of this is unavoidable some extra measures should be taken during the timeline of this pandemic to protect staff and customers.

- Staff should be trained and ensure that a minimum of 2 meters is kept between them and customers at all times, screens at tills can be used if this distance can't be maintained.
- A clean hands station should be at all entries and has to be strictly adhered to.
- Staff managing queues or doors should kept well back from customers at all times. They should never approach or touch customers.
- Any non automatic doors should be left permanently open to prevent touching of handles.
- Staff with any symptoms at all should be sent home. And encouraged to come forward if they feel anyway unwell.
- Staff must wash hands regularly, every 15-30 mins ( preferably with soap and water rather than hand sanitiser)
- Staff numbers on floor should be reduced to an absolute minimum while the shop is occupied,
- Staff stocking shelves (while shop is open) should have that aisle cordoned off either 2 metres each side or whole isle cordoned off,
- Consider closing regularly during day to clean all touch surfaces and to restock shelves safely,
- Queues at tills should be kept to a minimum, but any customers queueing should be kept at 2m apart.
- Consider a one way system in store to prevent customers coming down aisles in both directions.
- Consider limiting numbers entering the store, so that social distancing measures can be maintained.
- Touch surfaces should be cleaned regularly, ( ensuring that any cleaning product doesn't drip and create slip hazard)
- No children (under 12s) should be in store at any time, no exceptions.
- All trollies and baskets should be cleaned after each use. Remembering that soap and water is very effective against this virus
- Customers should be encouraged to use contactless payments, (although this cannot be enforced)
- Customers should be encouraged to limit their time in store, lengthy conversations should be discouraged especially at busy areas like doorways, entry areas.
- Consider having separate entry and exit points to keeps customer interaction at a minimum.
- Premises with Fuel pumps, should have either gloves or hand sanitiser available, if not handles should be cleaned after use.

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 02:50PM

Red for Danger wrote: »

When someone dies in italy there straight outta care the army or however steps in not health care workers.
No way are other countries gonna be able hold the line as the system back up

WTF has that got to do with flattening the curve?

jackboy · 26-03-2020 02:51PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

This may be a silly question but do they not give everyone the BCG anymore? I got mine in the early 90s, as did everyone else unless there were medical reasons for them not to.

I thought they stopped because there is a world wide shortage of this vaccine.

ax530 · 26-03-2020 02:51PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

This may be a silly question but do they not give everyone the BCG anymore? I got mine in the early 90s, as did everyone else unless there were medical reasons for them not to.

no only given to children who are thought to be at risk e.g. parents from a country which has TB

tobefrank321 · 26-03-2020 02:52PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Passenger flight from London (to Dublin) just brought in a lot of doctors to help with crisis here. :rolleyes:

You know what he meant.

All non essential flights should stop. We have no clue who is coming in on them, there is no screening or mandatory isolation of people coming in. They are free to spread it as far and wide as possible if infected, including in taxis, buses and the Luas.

We should at the very least introduce temperature screening - this is a far faster method than full covid 19 testing of identifying who might be at the peak of their infection.

This will end as disastrously as not stopping Italian flights for 2 weeks after it started to take off there.

kowloon · 26-03-2020 02:52PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I would like to publicly commend them for making the unlimited data packages unlimited. Unprecedented move by them that will do a lot im sure.

The unlimited data package wasn't unlimited?

merikahan · 26-03-2020 02:52PM

EDit wrote: »

Good article here about situation in India:

Really have to hope it doesn’t get a foothold there

India is untidy, messy BUT when crisis comes, each of the 1.3 Billion people come together and act as one.

Naggdefy · 26-03-2020 02:53PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Off topic, but was thinking about Chernobyl yesterday. As far as I can recall, we were all told to stay indoors for two weeks (in Dublin)? I might be imagining it?

I remember as word spread throughout May 1986 the fear at the time. I was 10. Countries like Sweden were beginning to show a raise in radioactive material in milk there, then Britain and finally us.

Today Tonight told us while radioactive traces were in our grass from rain it was safe to drink milk

I can't recall the East Coast been told to stay indoors but just a lot of fear initially which subsided by late May.

bennyl10 · 26-03-2020 02:53PM

Red for Danger wrote: »

So Netherlands Belgium France Switzerland Spain Portugal (not to mention USA and UK)all got it wrong and we've got this sorted.
Different countries have different things going for them and different challenges.
Those flattening the curve maps are true in that they buy you a week at most 10 days. But thats it in the end it ends ****ed up for all countrys.

You really haven’t a clue what flattening the curve actually is.
See south Korea

That’s what we’re hoping our graph will look like.

Predominantly flat after a point

stephenjmcd · 26-03-2020 02:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If you have driven around any urban areas over the last few days you'll see that there are still a lot of people doing things they shouldn't be doing. The virus will spread a lot if people don't keep their distance, walk around with no gloves and wipe their eye, eat food with unwashed hands.
Too many idiots out there by at the minute.
Our testing is a joke. We need to all those on the waiting list to be tested pronto to have any idea where we are at.

Walking around without gloves doesn't matter in the slightest. Hand hygiene is much more important. It's been said time and time again the potential is there for gloves to be much more dangerous. Frequent hand washing much more effective.

Our testing isn't really a joke either, far too many people were being referred on for testing who weren't going to have covid. Testing criteria now makes it far more likely we can find people who are positive.

Regardless of the testing the main thing is, any symptoms you and those in the house self isolate. That's the most effective thing regardless of test result. Now if your in a bad way of course call the emergency services but self isolation is key to stopping this spread

Thelonious Monk · 26-03-2020 02:54PM

Had to cycle to work to get some things, just now. There are people all over the streets in Dublin city centre. Groups of junkie types drinking in the sun and loads of pedestrians. Doesnt feel like a lockdown at all.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03