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  • #1292
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


  • #1293
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Will China be made pay as in lose out??? Seems not so much as huge amounts of ppe is being shipped from there....

    Still amazed how rte and others are speaking so well of China and how they've no new cases...

    Does anyone actually believe their figures.


  • #1294
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    again you misunderstand what you are reading. To be classified as a HCID it must meet ALL of the criteria. Thay have decided that it does not have the case-fatality rate to qualify as a HCID. they have said nothing about the other criteria and until they do you can assume it still meets the other criteria.


  • #1295
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    So this is what COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    - ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely.

    Remember the criteria above is what COVID19 IS NOT.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    It's a classification, so yeah, sounds right

    Something like Ebola would fit in that category, because it ticks all those boxes


  • #1296
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Read your own link

    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.


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  • #1297
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Will China be made pay as in lose out??? Seems not so much as huge amounts of ppe is being shipped from there....

    Still amazed how rte and others are speaking so well of China and how they've no new cases...

    Does anyone actually believe their figures.

    There's natural caution and skepticism, but currently no evidence to suggest that China is being overwhelmed with new cases (often locals, reporters, staff would manage to leak info)


  • #1298
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's a classification, so yeah, sounds right

    Something like Ebola would fit in that category, because it ticks all those boxes

    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the severity of COVID19 since March 19. Doe, it was in the same class as Ebola before March 19th, but not anymore.


  • #1299
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,633 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There's natural caution and skepticism, but currently no evidence to suggest that China is being overwhelmed with new cases (often locals, reporters, staff would manage to leak info)

    Many that spoke out are dead or have disappeared....


  • #1300
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.

    They know more about Covid-19 now, and it doesn't fit that particular classification


  • #1301
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    They know more about Covid-19 now, and it doesn't fit that particular classification

    Time to open up the country then.


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  • #1302
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Time to open up the country then.

    Why?


  • #1303
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    leavingirl wrote: »
    The key message is that the UK have downgraded the SEVERITY of COVID19.

    No they HAVEN'T

    They have down graded THE classification of COVID19.

    The severity OF THE infection has not CHANGED.


  • #1304
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Time to open up the country then.

    I think it is best to leave that decision to people that dont post links that they dont understand.


  • #1305
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Why?

    Good lad


  • #1306
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    No they HAVEN'T

    They have down graded THE classification of COVID19.

    The severity OF THE infection has not CHANGED.



    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


  • #1307
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I think it is best to leave that decision to people that dont post links that they dont understand.

    Pathetic


  • #1308
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Good lad

    You clearly don't understand how the classification works, so here it is in simple terms
    1. acute infectious disease
    2. typically has a high case-fatality rate
    3. may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    4. often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    5. ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    6. requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    In order to fit the classification, Covid 19 has to adhere to all the above. It doesn't adhere to e.g. "2. typically has a high case-fatality rate", so it doesn't fit the classification


  • #1309
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    I have already explained to you how you have misunderstood your own link.


  • #1310
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    You clearly don't understand how the classification works, so here it is in simple terms
    1. acute infectious disease
    2. typically has a high case-fatality rate
    3. may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    4. often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    5. ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    6. requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    In order to fit the classification, Covid 19 has to adhere to all the above. It doesn't adhere to e.g. "typically has a high case-fatality rate", so it doesn't fit the classification
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.


  • #1311
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 42,913 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Remember, this is what COVID19 was before March 19th . But after March 19th, COVID19 is NOT:

    Definition of HCID
    In the UK, a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) is defined according to the following criteria:

    - acute infectious disease
    - typically has a high case-fatality rate
    - may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    - often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    - requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid

    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).


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  • #1312
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.

    Yes it was. And now it's not. That's how classification works.


  • #1313
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    It was classified as this BEFORE March 19th! But after March 19th, it is no longer classified as the above. Come in man, stop attacking me.

    bit rich considering you described me as pathetic.


  • #1314
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).
    Stop your gaslighting. I'm not agreeing with you.

    Since COVID19 has been downgraded, there should be an appropriate response. But nothing has changed. Everywhere is still in lockdown.
    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


  • #1315
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Exactly, thank you for agreeing with me.

    They have changed the classification the virus because it doesn't have a high fatality rate.

    It never did, so it was wrongfully classified by them from the start.

    The severity of the infection has not changed (yet).
    Stop your gaslighting. I'm not agreeing with you.

    Since COVID19 has been downgraded, there should be an appropriate response. But nothing has changed. Everywhere is still in lockdown.


    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#definition-of-hcid


  • #1316
    leavingirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭leavingirl


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yes it was. And now it's not. That's how classification works.

    And there should be an appropriate response. As in, the lockdown must end and people should be allowed to work again!


  • #1317
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    bit rich considering you described me as pathetic.

    This is what you're dealing with here.

    Originally Posted by leavingirl View Post
    "You sound like a right little gay bastard"

    Just a horrible, angry, scared and hateful person.


  • #1318
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    leavingirl wrote: »
    And there should be an appropriate response. As in, the lockdown must end and people should be allowed to work again!

    First, that is a UK decision. We are not the UK. the .ie in boards.ie is a clue.
    Second COVID19 still meets all of these criteria

    • acute infectious disease
    • may not have effective prophylaxis or treatment
    • often difficult to recognise and detect rapidly
    • ability to spread in the community and within healthcare settings
    • requires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely
    Good enough reason to maintain the lockdown.


  • #1319
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,922 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    The Nal wrote: »
    This is what you're dealing with here.

    Originally Posted by leavingirl View Post
    "You sound like a right little gay bastard"

    Just a horrible, angry, scared and hateful person.

    LOL. where did they post that?


  • #1320
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    The corona Virus travelled entire world from Wuhan but it did not reach Beijing and Shanghai... can anybody put light?

    How come Russia & North Korea are totally free of Covid- 19? Because they are staunch ally of China. Not a single case reported from this 2 countries. On the other hand South Korea / United Kingdom / Italy / Spain and Asia are severely hit. How come Wuhan is suddenly free from the deadly virus?

    China will say that their drastic initial measures they took was very stern and Wuhan was locked down to contain the spread to other areas. I am sure they are using the Anti dode of the virus.

    Why Beijing was not hit? Why only Wuhan? Kind of interesting to ponder upon.. right? Well ..Wuhan is open for business now. America and all the above mentioned countries are devastated financially. Soon American economy will collapse as planned by China. China knows it CANNOT defeat America militarily as USA is at present

    I respect your theory, it is tangible. However I am convinced that theories that develop around blaming China are too crude and obvious. If China were hell bent on World domination it is unlikely that they would sacrifice thousands of their own citizens to enable this. Not because they care about them but because they do not need to. If they developed a virus I am sure they could have developed a more sinister version that wiped out a lot more people. Any Mandarin aspirations about land grabs would surely involve decimating their enemies. They could easily have released the virus into other countries with a lot more familiar relationships with the United States. Why didn't they also attack Russia while they are at it?

    No, way too blatant. The conspirators do not want to kill the planet, they only want to wipe a certain demographic, the European and American pension population.
    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    Nancy Pelosi was unable to bring down Trump thru impeachment. ....so work along with China to destroy Trump by releasing a virus. Wuhan,s epidemic was a showcase. At the peak of the virus epidemic. ..

    While Nancy might hate the Donald, I won't envisage her involvement in something as sinister. She is peoples democrat, through and through. It is not in her. Not her style.

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  • #1321
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,982 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    leavingirl wrote: »
    Since COVID19 has been downgraded, there should be an appropriate response. But nothing has changed. Everywhere is still in lockdown.

    Wow.

    The current lockdown and reaction by countries isn't based solely on a technical classification

    It's based on the highly contagious nature of the disease, the currently accepted fatality rate, the incubation period, the amount of resources it takes to treat patients and dozens of other factors


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