CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

joseywhales · 26-03-2020 01:40AM

STB. wrote: »

Too late. 247 infected Healthcare staff later.

They claim they didn't order enough in February.

The HSE Director of Communications responded when a plea from St James Hospital was retweeted by Today FM.

Earlier this week several twitter accounts from other front line workers seeking PPE over Twitter were apparently temporarily frozen.

Cuckoo land. That's where you are.

I've always wondered what would happen if health care called Management's bluff for once, on it being a vocation and mass strikes at the worst time, thousands of deaths and remind the clowns with pass maths and business degrees who is actually important.

But of course noone is that callous, in other industries it would happen immediately.

An Ri rua · 26-03-2020 01:41AM

fin12 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Parents-threatened-with-violence-by-teens-being-kept-indoors-during-pandemic-bac8e17f-026c-4f7b-be99-c275ae80140f-ds

Parents threatened by violence by teens being kept indoors.

Just give the Gardaí powers to physically tackle underage youths. Payback time for their anti-authority bulsh1t with teachers, Gardaí and other adults. If they are feeling violent, embrace it I say. Regrettable but oh well. Let them out to face the business end of the State. Grow them up, from the outside

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 01:41AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

New cases in China increase, all from abroad

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-live-news-update-world-lockdown-global-deaths-india-uk-us-australia-china-latest-updates

Always a spin on it - other countries now infecting them, hello Chinese people returning home

Strazdas · 26-03-2020 01:42AM

It should be pointed out that nearly every country in Europe is reporting PPE shortages. The speed the virus has taken hold has been stunning. On March 2nd, there had been one death in Spain : today the number is 3600

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 01:43AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Do you think the HSE tried but couldn’t get it on time? Or was it just left too late ?

The job of government is to plan for unforeseen events. That's why we have an army. Why else would we need a gang of men with guns? Sometimes bad **** happens. This is of course unlikely but possible.

Same way with a pandemic. Unlikely but you sure as **** better provision for it or it will ruin your country.

The government was aware of this eventuality given the situation in China. Maybe they didn't act as quickly as they should of. I'm basing that on the fact that we can't test all the samples and front line staff had to appeal for PPE.

That's a low point in the history of this state as far as I'm concerned.

Famine exports and howth gun running echoes in the mind.

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 01:46AM

Christy42 wrote: »

Links?

Isn't our testing numbers above most per capital? (Baring places that were but much earlier obviously).

You can't count a test if you haven't processed. Otherwise its counted as a zero test. i.e what's the ****ing point of sticking something down your throat.

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 01:46AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The job of government is to plan for unforeseen events. That's why we have an army. Why else would we need a gang of men with guns? Sometimes bad **** happens. This is of course unlikely but possible.

Same way with a pandemic. Unlikely but you sure as **** better provision for it or it will ruin your country.

Yeah lots stock up on equipment and gear for a once in a century event - you really are a piece of work
You should run for Taoiseach - you obviously know better than every country and have far superior fortune telling skills than all the top medical staff in the world

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:47AM

I dont think we will need a full lockdown.

Our problem will be how to manage opening up the economy again and assessing the disaster fallout from the UK.

I would argue for a complete isolation of all 60+ people managed by a dedicated force of volunteers etc.
Alongside this a sophisticated contact tracing infrastructure matched with immediate testing.
If we can get testing down to hours rather then days we will have this thing on the run.

Quicker testing will allow us to open the economy some more.

My only concern is the Uk. They've no proper surveillance of the disease spread.

The major concern is the US. If they dont get there act together the recession could become a depression. trump should be removed via 25th amendment, Hes a liability.

cj maxx · 26-03-2020 01:47AM

Strazdas wrote: »

It should be pointed out that nearly every country in Europe is reporting PPE shortages. The speed the virus has taken hold has been stunning. On March 2nd, there had been one death in Spain : today the number is 3600

I hear politicians in Ireland say we've ordered X amount of PPE, ventilaters,tests etc. So has every other country. We're getting ****

murpho999 · 26-03-2020 01:48AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The job of government is to plan for unforeseen events. That's why we have an army. Why else would we need a gang of men with guns? Sometimes bad **** happens. This is of course unlikely but possible.

Same way with a pandemic. Unlikely but you sure as **** better provision for it or it will ruin your country.

The government was aware of this eventuality given the situation in China. Maybe they didn't act as quickly as they should of. I'm basing that on the fact that we can't test all the samples and front line staff had to appeal for PPE.

That's a low point in the history of this state as far as I'm concerned.

Famine exports and howth gun running echoes in the mind.

Are you for real? A low point in the history of the state? Never mind the IRA, or clerical child abuse, Magdalene Laundries, banking crisis, could go on and on.

And you're calling the delivery of equipment and a testing system not being able to cope with over-demand (which is what it has been) as low point. Please get a grip.

Europe only took notice of this virus in February. 1st case in Ireland on Feb 29th.

PPE is on it's way.

Do you not see the whole of Europe has acted the same way?

Ireland has 9 deaths. Look at numbers in UK or Netherlands.

murpho999 · 26-03-2020 01:50AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Yeah lots stock up on equipment and gear for a once in a century event - you really are a piece of work
You should run for Taoiseach - you obviously know better than every country and have far superior fortune telling skills than all the top medical staff in the world

I'm sure he complained about the iodine tablets that were given out as prep for a terrorist attack years ago as a waste of government resources.

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:52AM

Ye should aslo realsie that China did no work for two months.

Vast majority of the PPE etc is made there. if not the constituent parts.

They only in the last 3 weeks began to get the supply chain moving. So PPE will come.
By this time next week i expect all the calls for PPE in Europe to quieten down as orders start to arrive.

Again the problem is the US and Trump. Hes dithering on getting manufacturers in the US to ramp up production.
This means the states are competing with each other for orders from China.

Another reason that orange bollox needs to be removed.

joeguevara · 26-03-2020 01:52AM

cjmc wrote: »

I hear politicians in Ireland say we've ordered X amount of PPE, ventilaters,tests etc. So has every other country. We're getting ****

You don’t believe 60 plane loads will arrive at the weekend? https://www.thesun.ie/news/5248612/coronavirus-in-ireland-60-planes-protective-equipment-ireland-china/

When it does what will you say?

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 01:53AM

murpho999 wrote: »

You're going on about ordering stuff in advance as if there's been loads of time.

China only notified WHO on December 31st of unusual pneumonia cases and had it's first death on January 11.

Europe or the world was not worried then.

First death in Europe occurred in France on February 14th.

Italy didn't report deaths until Febraury 22nd.

The first case in Ireland was confirmed on February 29th.

So where is all this time to prepare you are talking about?

And even if the HSE went looking for PPE in February, what makes you think other countries weren't as well and they were in short supply?

Also, Ireland's system of healthcare is behind other countries, I agree but it doesn't mean it's awful and also the care people get is second to none once they get a bed. It's not poor care but a poor system. But now it's fully ramped up in emergency mode for Covid-19 care.
Go to an Aftrican country to find out what poor healthcare is.

Considering the first case was here on Feb 29th and then Patrick's Day was cancelled early and scbools ordered closed on March 12th , I tink they've acted quite quickly and done well.
Testing is not perfect but is ramping up and come a very long way in a couple of weeks.

You're just putting everything Ireland does down for the sake of it whilst not being realistic.

minimise/deflect/compare. African country? Compare our GDP. Sending healthcare workers to deal with cases with inadequate PPE is unacceptable.

What proportion of cases in Germany are health care workers?
Bet it's nothing like 25%.

STB. · 26-03-2020 01:53AM

murpho999 wrote: »

PPE is on it's way.

Do you not see the whole of europe has acted the same way?

Ireland has 9 deaths. Look at numbers in UK or Netherlands.

We are a month in to treating a pandemic. A large percentage of healthcare staff have already been infected. That is simply not good enough.

We are weeks behind the Netherlands. The UK have accelerated their position because of population and allowing mass events to continue. Mutations of the virus were found in Iceland for 6 or 7 cases and were traced back to an EPL soccer game.

Dont try and make comparisons. You think we are at the end of this in Ireland ? FFS

freshpopcorn · 26-03-2020 01:53AM

Basically if Samantha is emptying the Hoover bag and she blows dust everywhere and she coughs along with her darlings Jacinta and Jordan.
Chances are she was ringing up demanding to be tested.
They are hoping to cut this down.

An Ri rua · 26-03-2020 01:54AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Yeah lots stock up on equipment and gear for a once in a century event - you really are a piece of work
You should run for Taoiseach - you obviously know better than every country and have far superior fortune telling skills than all the top medical staff in the world

Don't be ridiculous. Contingency planning is about more than just holding a stock to meet the worst case scenario? Get real.
Much like our fuel reserves, consumables like PPE could be held in reasonable depth and the stock rotated out to the rest of the national (or EU) system on a FIFO basis. It's not rocket science. It's about the State doing what it should do. As we're finally seeing now, re wage and job stability measures.

cj maxx · 26-03-2020 01:54AM

joeguevara wrote: »

You don’t believe 60 plane loads will arrive at the weekend? https://www.thesun.ie/news/5248612/coronavirus-in-ireland-60-planes-protective-equipment-ireland-china/

When it does what will you say?

I'll believe it when they land.

Corkgirl20 · 26-03-2020 01:55AM

Well this thread get a bit heated after mid-night

Kermit.de.frog · 26-03-2020 01:55AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What proportion of cases in Germany are health care workers?
Bet it's nothing like 25%.

Why don't you research before making assertions?

Then we know.

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:57AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

minimise/deflect/compare. African country? Compare our GDP. Sending healthcare workers to deal with cases with inadequate PPE is unacceptable.

What proportion of cases in Germany are health care workers?
Bet it's nothing like 25%.

You need to realsie that the vast majority of the healthcare force in Ireland have never had to deal with any major incident. The biggest incident alot deal with are road traffic accidents. These by and large only involve 1 or 2 people.

Mass casualty events are extremely rare here.

In that sense you can assume that the high number of healthcare infections is down to the bystander affect. Alot of irish people last weekend were lax about the crisis. Healthcare staff are people too and were probably lax about PPE when people arrived in A7E with flu.

Ireland does not have the experienced healthcare staff at senior levels, consultants that have experience in mass casualty events.

I expect now that proper training has been delivered that healthcare infections will drop considerably.

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 01:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The job of government is to plan for unforeseen events. That's why we have an army. Why else would we need a gang of men with guns? Sometimes bad **** happens. This is of course unlikely but possible.

Same way with a pandemic. Unlikely but you sure as **** better provision for it or it will ruin your country.

The government was aware of this eventuality given the situation in China. Maybe they didn't act as quickly as they should of. I'm basing that on the fact that we can't test all the samples and front line staff had to appeal for PPE.

That's a low point in the history of this state as far as I'm concerned.

Famine exports and howth gun running echoes in the mind.

fritzelly wrote: »

Yeah lots stock up on equipment and gear for a once in a century event - you really are a piece of work
You should run for Taoiseach - you obviously know better than every country and have far superior fortune telling skills than all the top medical staff in the world

Are you serious. It is a once in a century event. Last time we used our boys in green in a war like situation was to to give this country it's independence.

I'm a piece of work? you are mental. I'm not a fortune teller. This generally occurs on a frequency of once every 100 years. Read a book.

Most countries have strategic reserves to cope with it. Wake up buttercup.

Xertz · 26-03-2020 01:58AM

eastie17 wrote: »

Christ, as depressing and all as the overall situation is, this thread and the majority of the posts would put anyone whos very low completely over the edge. Any sort of half arsed bad news story is grabbed by some posters and put up in lights so they can have a **** over the misery they are trying to spread.

To be honest threads like these are best consumed in small, time limited doses.
Aspects of this, well most of this are beyond our control. All we can do is keep up with the simple measures and try to prevent spread.

A serious end to this will come, but it will ultimately be because of technical solutions with antivirals, immune modulation and hopefully effective vaccines.

maebee · 26-03-2020 01:58AM

Is it only me or does anybody else not give a f*ck about the economy? It will recover. Our dead citizens won't. All of our lives have been turned upside down in these past few weeks. Lives first, economy will follow, imo

STB. · 26-03-2020 01:59AM

cjmc wrote: »

I'll believe it when they land.

Regardless of when it lands, it'll be fúck all comfort to the 247 healthcare worker already infected.

nocoverart · 26-03-2020 02:01AM

Corkgirl20 wrote: »

Well this thread get a bit heated after mid-night

I always suspected Boards was full of no good Werewolves.

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 02:02AM

An Ri rua wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. Contingency planning is about more than just holding a stock to meet the worst case scenario? Get real.
Much like our fuel reserves, consumables like PPE could be held in reasonable depth and the stock rotated out to the rest of the national (or EU) system on a FIFO basis. It's not rocket science. It's about the State doing what it should do. As we're finally seeing now, re wage and job stability measures.

Yeah lets keep 30+ million PPE kits ready for use - not like they have any kind of expiration date
The IQ levels in these threads is deteriorating with each new thread, from conspiracy theories, to HSE having no PPE, to the government should have foreseen this, to the list goes on.
Just waiting for the videos of people collapsing on the streets here

Kermit.de.frog · 26-03-2020 02:02AM

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1242967501442412544

murpho999 · 26-03-2020 02:02AM

STB. wrote: »

We are a month in to treating a pandemic. A large percentage of healthcare staff have already been infected. That is simply not good enough.

We are weeks behind the Netherlands. The UK have accelerated their position because of population and allowing mass events to continue. Mutations of the virus were found in Iceland for 6 or 7 cases and were traced back to an EPL soccer game.

WHO declared the outbreak as a pandemic on March 11th. 14 days ago. So how are we a month into it?

How is the Netherlands 2 weeks ahead of us? They are in serious trouble. 360 deaths. Only closed schools last week.
Dutch health department is telling its citizens that children cannot transmit the virus to adults and therefore it's ok for kids to mingle in playgrounds.

Can my children still play outside with others?
From the data now available, children seem to be contributing little to the spread of COVID-19. They can, therefore, play with others if they do not have any symptoms that are consistent with COVID-19, such as fever, a cold or a cough. Large groups should be avoided.
Link to Dutch Institute for Public Health advice

UK has made a complete balls of it with their herd mentality approach and put the economy ahead of health..

Now they've done an about face but it's too late. Virus is rampant among the community, deaths are starting to soar and testing is miniscule compared to here.

Watch both of those countries death rates soar at a much higher rate then hours..

Also I'd like a link to evidence of the virus mutating, You don't seem strong on facts you can back up though.

freshpopcorn · 26-03-2020 02:03AM

What's the deal with Paddy Cosgrove and his obsession with the Coronaviris on Twitter?

There's something in my head about him being a bit moody about his web summit a few years ago.

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