CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

I may be wrong and im open to correction but is the reason this went global because of the crusie ships?

I seem to remember a lull in the media exposure to Wuhan and China suggesting that the spread had slowed. then a few days later i start to see stories about these cruise ships.

Is it the case that chinese tourists went on cruises which in of themselves are petri dishes and spread it globally from there?

cjmc wrote: »

Not related to Ireland, but NY send fcuked. I didn't realise the amount of cases there

Subways, watch London next week.

STB. wrote: »

We are unique. Our health system is not up to the same standards as other countries due to generations of not fixing it. We knew about this pandemic well in advance.

The HSE did not order enough in February of the basic PPE and Testing Equipment. The community testing regime has been abandoned as a result.

The first batch of a 28m shipment was clearly dithered about, but is now due on Friday (according to the HSE PR manager) a full month into the pandemic here.

247 healthcare staff have been infected, that's a large percentage of the medical staff to play russian roulette with. Its such an issue that they have taken to social media to get protective gear, because their employer has failed in their duties.

And please don't try and trivialise this matter, This is not an amateur debating society.

You're going on about ordering stuff in advance as if there's been loads of time.

China only notified WHO on December 31st of unusual pneumonia cases and had it's first death on January 11.

Europe or the world was not worried then.

First death in Europe occurred in France on February 14th.

Italy didn't report deaths until Febraury 22nd.

The first case in Ireland was confirmed on February 29th.

So where is all this time to prepare you are talking about?

And even if the HSE went looking for PPE in February, what makes you think other countries weren't as well and they were in short supply?

Also, Ireland's system of healthcare is behind other countries, I agree but it doesn't mean it's awful and also the care people get is second to none once they get a bed. It's not poor care but a poor system. But now it's fully ramped up in emergency mode for Covid-19 care.
Go to an Aftrican country to find out what poor healthcare is.

Considering the first case was here on Feb 29th and then Patrick's Day was cancelled early and scbools ordered closed on March 12th , I tink they've acted quite quickly and done well.
Testing is not perfect but is ramping up and come a very long way in a couple of weeks.

You're just putting everything Ireland does down for the sake of it whilst not being realistic.

Yawn, wake up OP. Its clear we are an island of hypochondriacs so an additional layer of being fecked up is good to stop the 19,000 hypochondriacs a day spoofing a test to prevent the real candidates getting a shot plus minimise the contact tracing.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Diamond Princess was full of old people. If you coop up a bunch of old people I would accept that the mortality rate could be 1%

Since you claimed this is the best and most represtantive study you must therefore now agree that the true mortality rate is vastly lower than 1%

So just ignore the fact that South Korea also recorded a similar figure, the fact the two most representative samples we have arrived at a similar figure further proves the point
Do you know anything about the ship occupants or just basing it on anecdotes that old people cruise ?
1/3 were workforce age,1200 people ,of the 2400 passengers the average age was 58, so there was a large number of younger people on board

wakka12 wrote: »

Diamond Princess is best and only representative sample study and has a mortality rate of 1.5%. South Korea which did the most testing in the world also records a mortality rate of over 1.4%. It is much more likely to be around this figure than significantly lower

The Diamond Princess still has 115 active unresolved cases... 15 (13%) of those are still in a 'serious or critical condition'.

Sooo... It's to early to call the ship's mortality rate and it goes to show how long hospital beds may be needed for treating this damn virus.

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/diamond-princess

I think Ireland Germany and Switzerland have managed this crisis quite well.
By and large messaging has been consistent, firm and supportive.
There has been little confusion from gov and health officials.

The populace in all countries have by and large played their part too.

Weve had a hiccup in testing because they opened it up much too soon but they've quickly tightened it again.
Our curve is steady.


Contrast that to the UK and especially London. There is no testing outside hospitals.
Watch what happens to London in the next week or so.

STB. wrote: »

Too late. 247 infected Healthcare staff later.

They claim they didn't order enough in February.

The HSE Director of Communications responded when a plea from St James Hospital was retweeted by Today FM.

Earlier this week several twitter accounts from other front line workers seeking PPE over Twitter were apparently temporarily frozen.

How do you know when stuff was ordered, from whom, lead times, availability etc?

kilkenny31 wrote: »

But the vast majority of people haven't been doing this. It's the same when we have a bad storm we always get excited about the 10 people out of 5 million who go for a swim. Its focusing on the negative.

Apples and Oranges. It's not the same. Those 10 mad swimmers are endangering themselves and (unnecessarily) endangering the lives of the rescue crews who have to attend to them. Minuscule figures compared to the current situation. We have every reason to get excited about the foolish amongst us who take unnecessary risks, which affect the lives of hundreds, then thousands.

New cases in China increase, all from abroad


Mainland China reported an increase in new confirmed coronavirus cases, all of which involved travellers arriving from abroad, the National Health Commission said on Thursday.

The commission said in a statement that a total of 67 new cases were reported as of end-Wednesday, up from 47 a day earlier, putting the total accumulated number of confirmed coronavirus cases to date at 81,285.

The commission also reported a total of 3,287 deaths at the end of Wednesday, up 6 from the previous day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-live-news-update-world-lockdown-global-deaths-india-uk-us-australia-china-latest-updates

Raconteuse wrote: »

Are we an island of hypochondriacs? I think it's more just people having the fear they genuinely might have it, due to so much publicised about it being deceptively mild or even asymptomatic. They have to narrow it down, and research is taking place as we speak, to help do this.

Of course, I will admit I am one of them now as I am in the global sweet spot for age and underlying medical conditions Runny poo on Sunday....Covid 19, Son puked on Monday...Covid 19, I coughed on a conference call...covid 19

However I know not to clog up the health system because I am a rashional human. My wife given the choice would call the GP 8 times a day.

Christy42 wrote: »

Links?

Isn't our testing numbers above most per capital? (Baring places that were but much earlier obviously).

Links to what Christy ? I'm sure you can use a search engine.

That's not the way it works.

WHO's advice is TEST TEST TEST. Isolate. Now do it again. You have to have testing kits though.

40000 people at the community testing phase. Now abandoned despite showing symptoms. Why ? Ah sure we'll be ramping everything up when some of the medical gear arrives from China on Friday.

lbj666 wrote: »

Testing everyone with one symptoms proved a waste of resources given the number of cases they found, it was in and around 6%. So safe to say of the 40,000 waiting for tests, 2,400 were positive but they don't no who, because everyone with a common cold rang the GP up and despite being enroute to one of the highest test rates per capita it was still taking 5-10 days to find the positives and get the contact tracing which is the key to the whole thing.

Community transmission are down from 20 per person to 6 and will improve further.

Remember the 40,000 with symptoms have been told all along to isolate for 2 week regardless of getting their test of not.

Community transmission accounts for 49% of positives. It has went UP.

The 6% figure and that data is made up from the first round of tests when it wasn't at community level.

You cannot guess that based upon previous tests, when you asked people were they in Italy whether that will foloow through a few weeks later when it has spread to communities, and you are doing community testing, where you ask people to only contact their doctor if they fit certain criteria, and then abandon it.

You can't say they are all "hypochondriacs" and "wasters", so we will test no one who was referred by a GP. The end game is to stop and/or delay the spread of a highly contagious virus so that our hospitals do not become overwhelmed, like in other countries who have better facilities than us.