CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 01:09AM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Another trick now on eBay is for Chinese businesses/sellers to list themselves as UK and/or Ireland using a forwarding address

Where have you been the past number of years

owlbethere · 26-03-2020 01:10AM

The change in testing criteria makes sense.

From what was mentioned during Tuesdays briefing, I think testing is approx 1300 a day but I might have that wrong. So far the biggest daily increase was approximately 240 people. It means a sizable portion that's being sent for testing, is testing negative and there's also a bit of a delay with the testing happening too from what I understand. So that would mean, the negatives truly are negatives because the infection should be taking hold in the body with a delay in testing.

With the criteria change to 2+ symptoms, it would mean they will hopefully be able to catch more people with the infection and hopefully quicker and get the contract tracing done quicker too.

It does make sense.

If I was to come down with symptoms I wouldn't be too pushed getting a test. I would self isolate and try and rest in bed instead of getting worked up about a test.

NasserShammaz · 26-03-2020 01:10AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

These parasites will only lap up the attention. Cretin

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1242630562285670400

He has the look of a prick the realises he really ****ed up 10 seconds as of internet fame 5 years of having the **** kicked out of him by every other inmate that will loose a loved one. Brilliant ha ha ha ha .

NasserShammaz · 26-03-2020 01:10AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

These parasites will only lap up the attention. Cretin

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1242630562285670400

He has the look of a prick the realises he really ****ed up 10 seconds as of internet fame 5 years of having the **** kicked out of him by every other inmate that will loose a loved one. Brilliant ha ha ha ha .

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:11AM

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

Same people who clog up A and E must have decided to **** around with the testing facilities. 40000 people waiting to be tested. At current figures 37600 will have nothing. I'm all for lots of testing but this is just madness. I would imagine every hypochondriac in Ireland has rang up their gp with imaginary symptoms.

The gp's are the problem.

Why did the numbers in A&E drop off miraculously last week?

because gp's stopped referring everyone with a sore knee to the A&E's thats why.

We dont have a trolley crisis in ireland we have a primary care crisis.

ShatterAlan · 26-03-2020 01:12AM

I just read this gibberish:

"New rules have been introduced for Covid-19 testing, which means patients will need to meet revised criteria to qualify in future.
Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested."

One has to self-diagnose now?

So I can fake a cough and pretend to be gasping for air and I can be tested. And what is the "priority group"?

Being old? Having health issues? How does one, who wants to be tested for something qualify themselves as to whether or not to be tested?

You go and you get tested...very simple. No?

Am I missing something. You are worried that you might have contracted HIV or Hepatitis or TB....They don't say "well you don't have the symptoms so we're not testing you"

paul71 · 26-03-2020 01:13AM

flynnlives wrote: »

The gp's are the problem.

Why did the numbers in A&E drop off miraculously last week?

because gp's stopped referring everyone with a sore knee to the A&E's thats why.

We dont have a trolley crisis in ireland we have a primary care crisis.

Pubs closed will always help A&E attendance...:)

26-03-2020 01:13AM

froog wrote: »

that's true. but that's not the guys point. his point is there is literally nothing to see here. that we could go about business as usual and there would not be obscenely high death rates around the world. when we know that is not the case. completely unchecked, this thing would kill 10s of millions of people. and that's a very low estimate. a minimum.

best case mortality rate: let's say 1%
with swine flu like controls that happened in 2009 - this thing easily infects 20% of the worlds population. (swine flu numbers, with lots of action by countries)

that's 15 million deaths.

with no controls at all? business as usual?

easily 50% of world's population.

38.5 million deaths.

if the mortality rate is 2, 3, 4% etc well... you can do the math.

The true mortality rate is vastly lower than 1%

Most people who get it are not part of the statistical data.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

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Kermit.de.frog · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

France recorded 231 deaths today but this is a little disconcerting. I wonder why deaths outside hospital are not being counted.

Jérôme Salomon, the director general of the French health service, has announced the latest coronavirus figures. There are now 25,233 confirmed cases in France, 1,331 deaths, of which 86% were people aged over 70 years. The death rate rose by 231 in 24 hours. These are hospital deaths only, not those in retirement homes or outside hospitals.

New Home · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Had Italian cases followed the trend of even a few weeks ago, then they would have 1M known cases now.

In particular for cases rather than deaths ( which are a lagging indicator), the trend has been slowing for a while.

If the parameters for testing have been changed (and I seem to remember they have, but I'll admit I'm not 100% sure, I'll have to check) and if they're only testing people with multiple symptoms or people who get admitted to hospital, then you're not comparing like with like; the figures reported would leave out a large chunk of the infected population. It's also been reported before that people who die at home or in nursing homes aren't always tested - that would have an impact on the numbers returned, too. Ditto for the deaths, if people who don't die with obvious Covid symptoms aren't tested, then lots do undiscovered. Also, in quite a few official daily reports the numbers weren't always accurate, as often enough the data from some areas hadn't been tallied on time.

eddie73 · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

STB. wrote: »

We are unique. Our health system is not up to the same standards as other countries due to generations of not fixing it. We knew about this pandemic well in advance.

The HSE did not order enough in February of the basic PPE and Testing Equipment. The community testing regime has been abandoned as a result.

The first batch of a 28m shipment was clearly dithered about, but is now due on Friday (according to the HSE PR manager) a full month into the pandemic here.

247 healthcare staff have been infected, that's a large percentage of the medical staff to play russian roulette with. Its such an issue that they have taken to social media to get protective gear, because their employer has failed in their duties.

And please don't try and trivialise this matter, This is not an amateur debating society.

The number of infected health care workers is in tandem with other countries. There is no getting around this figure unfortunately.

The dogs on the street know that the HSE is in a shambles, but I think that what has been salvaged up till now is remarkable. This is down to a very good response by the public as well as a well delivered and informative strategy by the government, (whom I did not vote for in the last election btw).

There are going to be many casualties in the months ahead. I am sure there will be fingers pointed at the government and the HSE, but the reality is that there is feck all that they will be able to do when the large numbers start to swell into the hospitals.

Stay at home or exercise social distance if this is not possible. Don't get tested unless you are sick. Be patient. One day at a time.

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

owlbethere wrote: »

The change in testing criteria makes sense.

From what was mentioned during Tuesdays briefing, I think testing is approx 1300 a day but I might have that wrong. So far the biggest daily increase was approximately 240 people. It means a sizable portion that's being sent for testing, is testing negative and there's also a bit of a delay with the testing happening too from what I understand. So that would mean, the negatives truly are negatives because the infection should be taking hold in the body with a delay in testing.

As has already been said multiple times a negative test just means undetectable

For example HIV patients on the drug regime will test undetectable - doesn't mean they don't have it just the drugs are stopping it and it's no longer detectable in blood samples, as good as testing negative

tuxy · 26-03-2020 01:14AM

Too many people are asking to be tested when there is no need for them to be.
Some may lie so they get tested but it will still reduce the number of wasted test kits and medical time.

irishproduce · 26-03-2020 01:15AM

HIV Hepatitis and TB will probably lead to your death.
It's very unlikely covid will kill you unless you are in the at risk group they are targeting.eith the tests.

BorneTobyWilde · 26-03-2020 01:15AM

Sweet Shop is hardly an essential business, so many greedy bastards open.

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:16AM

I would love to see the stats of outcomes from referral letters to A&E's.

Id hazard a guess that the stats would bare out two huge groups:
a group that spent 12 hours in A&E and then went home
and
people admitted only 2/3 days suggesting they were admitted for tests and set home when nothing was wrong

I would then go further and see how many from each group are medical card holders.

STB. · 26-03-2020 01:16AM

FVP3 wrote: »

A few weeks ago at a family gathering I told my family that millions could die worldwide ( and in two months) and they laughed. They are now panicking just as the exponential nature of the growth declines in most countries.

Which doesn't mean cases wont increase for a while, but the rate of growth has dropped.

Of course getting back to normal is a whole other problem.

Amazing anecdote.

The reason our infection numbers are not exponential, is because the testing regime has broken down.

If you have a limited number of kits, you cannot test people. Those infected become invisible and are therefore not reflected in the numbers.

Say for example you have 40,000 displaying symptoms (seems like a realistic number doesn't it). If you test none of that 40k at all, what will your rise in positive cases be tomorrow. Will it be zero ?

What will it be in two weeks later given you have taken no action to test and isolate these people.

We will see the people who present in a jocker in ICU, because they cannot breathe. But what about those that went back to work or spread it on to others ?

Community transmission is 49% of the positive tests. Another 25% are healthcare workers.

Not enough testing kits, not enough PPE gear.

That some mess and we are at a starting point.

frillyleaf · 26-03-2020 01:16AM

STB. wrote: »

We are unique. Our health system is not up to the same standards as other countries due to generations of not fixing it. We knew about this pandemic well in advance.

The HSE did not order enough in February of the basic PPE and Testing Equipment. The community testing regime has been abandoned as a result.

The first batch of a 28m shipment was clearly dithered about, but is now due on Friday (according to the HSE PR manager) a full month into the pandemic here.

247 healthcare staff have been infected, that's a large percentage of the medical staff to play russian roulette with. Its such an issue that they have taken to social media to get protective gear, because their employer has failed in their duties.

And please don't try and trivialise this matter, This is not an amateur debating society.

Do you think the HSE tried but couldn’t get it on time? Or was it just left too late ?

flynnlives · 26-03-2020 01:16AM

paul71 wrote: »

Pubs closed will always help A&E attendance...:)

Pubs hadnt closed yet.
HSE and gov broadcasted to everyone to only go to A&E for critical issues in the first 2 weeks of March

speckle · 26-03-2020 01:17AM

Panrich wrote: »

So he got sick in London and traipsed his way across two countries to get home to mammy. Not that it is not understandable, but I wouldn't be holding him up as a poster boy.

is that the kerry lad with a beard who flew home with his mother who was also waiting on a test?

Jinglejangle69 · 26-03-2020 01:17AM

I'm loving the new medical experts covid 19 has brought to our country.

Literally overnight they are now qualified and know what's best.

All broadcast from behind an IPhone.

Weldone op, weldone.

cj maxx · 26-03-2020 01:18AM

Not related to Ireland, but NY send fcuked. I didn't realise the amount of cases there

wakka12 · 26-03-2020 01:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The true mortality rate is vastly lower than 1%

Most people who get it are not part of the statistical data.

Diamond Princess is the best and really only truly representative sample study and has a mortality rate of 1.5%. South Korea which did the most testing in the world by far also records a mortality rate of 1.4%. It is much more likely to be around this figure than significantly lower

bekker · 26-03-2020 01:19AM

owlbethere wrote: »

The change in testing criteria makes sense.

From what was mentioned during Tuesdays briefing, I think testing is approx 1300 a day but I might have that wrong. So far the biggest daily increase was approximately 240 people. It means a sizable portion that's being sent for testing, is testing negative and there's also a bit of a delay with the testing happening too from what I understand. So that would mean, the negatives truly are negatives because the infection should be taking hold in the body with a delay in testing.

With the criteria change to 2+ symptoms, it would mean they will hopefully be able to catch more people with the infection and hopefully quicker and get the contract tracing done quicker too.

It does make sense.

If I was to come down with symptoms I wouldn't be too pushed getting a test. I would self isolate and try and rest in bed instead of getting worked up about a test.

Unfortunately, no it doesn't.

It only means that more of the those testing positive will be have been subject to more impactfull reactions to the virus.

Self-reporting based testing only tells you about that cohort who have passed the current triage parameters.
+ and only of those whose tests have been taken, processed and reported.

It tells nothing beyond that.

growleaves · 26-03-2020 01:20AM

best case mortality rate: let's say 1%

No. Could be lower.

with no controls at all? business as usual?

easily 50% of world's population.

It could easily be worse than the Black Death? So this is now the worst pandemic in human history?

owlbethere · 26-03-2020 01:20AM

STB. wrote: »

We are unique. Our health system is not up to the same standards as other countries due to generations of not fixing it. We knew about this pandemic well in advance.

The HSE did not order enough in February of the basic PPE and Testing Equipment. The community testing regime has been abandoned as a result.

The first batch of a 28m shipment was clearly dithered about, but is now due on Friday (according to the HSE PR manager) a full month into the pandemic here.

247 healthcare staff have been infected, that's a large percentage of the medical staff to play russian roulette with. Its such an issue that they have taken to social media to get protective gear, because their employer has failed in their duties.

And please don't try and trivialise this matter, This is not an amateur debating society.

The virus was discovered in January so it wasn't well in advance.

It's only recently being described as a pandemic. It wasn't a pandemic in February (although many people here saw that it was going to go that way).

They probably didn't realize this was going to come into Europe and flood the place as quickly as it did and it happened very quickly. Like ebola was contained in Africa and never came our way.

Face masks were very quick to go from a lot of places because China was ahead of us needing gear and before it kicked off here. So that would have played a part too.

26-03-2020 01:20AM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

These parasites will only lap up the attention. Cretin

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1242630562285670400

Cody Phister?

he'll get well phisted in prison

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 01:20AM

flynnlives wrote: »

I would love to see the stats of outcomes from referral letters to A&E's.

Id hazard a guess that the stats would bare out two huge groups:
a group that spent 12 hours in A&E and then went home
and
people admitted only 2/3 days suggesting they were admitted for tests and set home when nothing was wrong

I would then go further and see how many from each group are medical card holders.

Could always bring in an emergency level based fee - here's a plaster and that's €500 (€499 for medical card holders) thank you and then the genuine cases free

Jinglejangle69 · 26-03-2020 01:21AM

Love the whole new swathe of medical overnight experts we have in Ireland all of a sudden.

All know better than the HSE, WHO.

You name it, they know better.

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