CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Ace2007 · 26-03-2020 12:35AM

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

A lot of posters here are clearly politically motivated. Obviously hate the government..so I'd suggest a lot should be ignored. A lot of good and bad work done in the last 10 years to turn around the country.but not concentrating on certain issues cost them dearly. But im struggling to see many faults the last 3-4 weeks. What were people expecting. That we would sail through a pandemic.

What's happen in last 10 years is irrelevant, however I would also say what happens in the next 6 months should also be somewhat irrelevant when looking at the government - regardless of whose in power.

This issue is bigger than a government - this needs society to work as one - we are all in this together.

kyote00 · 26-03-2020 12:35AM

If you don't need the job then fire away - sure someone else might take it

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Can you refuse to go to work in a non essential job?

Jinglejangle69 · 26-03-2020 12:37AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

3 ways to make a living. Be first, be smarter or cheat. Helluva lot easier to be first.....That's the failing.

There was clearly a chance of a global pandemic. Orders should have been in at the point.

Maybe we should take your Netflix philosophy and move to number 3 so?

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 12:38AM

givyjoe wrote: »

For Christ sake, how is that scaremongering?

Because, as the guy who you quoted said, deaths dropped today. If this continues then the exponential growth is over ( the growth in cases in Italy is slackening off already). Extrapolating to the future to 1000+ deaths is therefore innumerate.

The virus could have infected millions by end April, it doesn't look like that will happen now.

Blueshoe · 26-03-2020 12:39AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

What do you mean?

Buy now and hold for a minimum of 5 years. Impossible to time the market or catch a falling knife. Ie buy at the bottom. Also sell at the top is impossible. The global economy will recover. Might be 6 months might be a year . Maybe more. Also prices may fall further.
Google the Dow Jones industrial average and set the range to max. You can see the dot com bubble and the 2008 crisis in the graph. The market recovered and chugged on. Buy opportunity

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 12:39AM

What a legend. I know there is some harsh back and forth on here but there is hope.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-03-2020 12:40AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Because, as the guy who you quoted said, deaths dropped today.

How do you know?

cameramonkey · 26-03-2020 12:41AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Is it slowly getting to the point where we can start to say Ireland is going to be OK. Look at the growth pattern over the past week and looking at the ICU figures it looks like we will cope with this and hopefully will end up with a death rate similar to the seasonal flu.

I think it is too early to judge, we are are behind other countries in terms of the timeline when we go our first case. Hopefully things are going to continue with manageable numbers.

Nickla · 26-03-2020 12:41AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

A Chinese takeaway in Cabra donated 5,000 masks to the HSE - and are giving out masks to customers - mind boggling how some people are getting their hands on this stuff -

I would expect that a Chinese takeaway would have Chinese staff with Chinese realatives who would have been watching this situation since mid january ... ordering an extra box of masks each week for your staff would be prudent ... donating them now they need to close is awesome ... they could have sold them On Moore street or pigs back for ridiculous prices -

caveat emptor · 26-03-2020 12:41AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Maybe we should take your Netflix philosophy and move to number 3 so?

haha, did you watch the video?

And I don't cheat. My dear boy. Point is if you are first you don't need to cheat.
Like Germany. Freedom of goods and people (when it suits them). That's cheating.

Now we have to be smart. That's much harder.

froog · 26-03-2020 12:42AM

growleaves wrote: »

You're only showing your ignorance here.

What normally happens with ICU facilities? All the ICU facilities in the world always would be full and overwhelmed all of the time if every elderly and/or very infirm person was put on a ventilator.

so let me get this straight.

you think ICUs are overwhelmed because trained medical professionals are mistakenly putting loads of people on ventilators that don't actually need them because they are panicking?

and you also think the death rates around the world are completely normal?

you actually believe both of those things?

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

I really wish the ignore button on here completely removed the post and all references to it - would make the thread so much nicer

branie2 · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

A boarding school in Co. Meath is closing for good as a consequence of the virus. it was in financial trouble for a while, but this helped bring about its end.

rob316 · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

froog wrote: »

this guy and other crackpot linked here recently sound very intelligent but still have no good explanation for health services/ICU beds becoming completely overwhelmed in italy, spain, china, new york etc. the first guy didnt even address it. this guy vaguely mentions air quality at one point.

if this was business as usual, there would be zero issues with ventilators, ICU beds etc.

it's pretty amazing how people so educated can be so dumb.

They are profoundly more qualified on the topic than you or me so calling them dumb makes you very ignorant.

Ace2007 · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Buy now and hold for a minimum of 5 years. Impossible to time the market or catch a falling knife. Ie buy at the bottom. Also sell at the top is impossible. The global economy will recover. Might be 6 months might be a year . Maybe more. Also prices may fall further.
Google the Dow Jones industrial average and set the range to max. You can see the dot com bubble and the 2008 crisis in the graph. The market recovered and chugged on. Buy opportunity

There is a buy opportunity - just need to know when to buy in, personality I don't think we've hit the bottom yet, but that's just an opinion.

Big investors who may have swap contracts, need cash and hence are selling anything they can - whatever is liquid is going - but those markets are tightening up even.

Spreads are increasing to levels never seen before

So for all those reasons I think the market will drop further.

givyjoe · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Because, as the guy who you quoted said, deaths dropped today. If this continues then the exponential growth is over ( the growth in cases in Italy is slackening off already). Extrapolating to the future to 1000+ deaths is therefore innumerate.

The virus could have infected millions by end April, it doesn't look like that will happen now.

They did NOT drop.

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 12:43AM

New Home wrote: »

...and if you're good Santa will bring you presents...

I agree with "hope".

the problem is that lots of people, not just you, dont understand the nature of exponential growth or when it stops.

A few weeks ago at a family gathering I told my family that millions could die worldwide ( and in two months) and they laughed. They are now panicking just as the exponential nature of the growth declines in most countries.

Which doesn't mean cases wont increase for a while, but the rate of growth has dropped.

Of course getting back to normal is a whole other problem.

fritzelly · 26-03-2020 12:44AM

branie2 wrote: »

A boarding school in Co. Meath is closing for good as a consequence of the virus. it was in financial trouble for a while, but this helped bring about its end.

Why were they even still open?

bilston · 26-03-2020 12:45AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Because, as the guy who you quoted said, deaths dropped today. If this continues then the exponential growth is over ( the growth in cases in Italy is slackening off already). Extrapolating to the future to 1000+ deaths is therefore innumerate.

The virus could have infected millions by end April, it doesn't look like that will happen now.

The virus possibly has infected millions...it just isn't very serious for 80% of them and most of them don't even know they've had it. The problem is everyone getting it at the same time puts stress of health systems and people who otherwise wouldn't have will die due to lack of care.

I think this new antibody test which is supposedly going to be available soon could be really crucial. It might turn out that a lot more people have had Covid 19 than previously thought which might shape future policy regarding restrictions.

bilston · 26-03-2020 12:45AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Because, as the guy who you quoted said, deaths dropped today. If this continues then the exponential growth is over ( the growth in cases in Italy is slackening off already). Extrapolating to the future to 1000+ deaths is therefore innumerate.

The virus could have infected millions by end April, it doesn't look like that will happen now.

The virus possibly has infected millions...it just isn't very serious for 80% of them and most of them don't even know they've had it. The problem is everyone getting it at the same time puts stress of health systems and people who otherwise wouldn't have will die due to lack of care.

I think this new antibody test which is supposedly going to be available soon could be really crucial. It might turn out that a lot more people have had Covid 19 than previously thought which might shape future policy regarding restrictions.

branie2 · 26-03-2020 12:45AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Why were they even still open?

An old part of private education, I'd imagine

Beasty · 26-03-2020 12:46AM

XI beckons - not sure if that's indicative of something akin to Spinal Tap or the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party....

...expect a new thread sometime tomorrow

froog · 26-03-2020 12:46AM

rob316 wrote: »

They are profoundly more qualified on the topic than you or me so calling them dumb makes you very ignorant.

you agree with him that it's business as usual around the world? normal death rates, normal ICU admissions?

paul71 · 26-03-2020 12:47AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Why were they even still open?

They weren't open. He is saying they are closed permanently, I am assuming it is Headfort, its the only one in Meath I know of.

citysights · 26-03-2020 12:48AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Woah. You don't prepare something like that unless you are fairly sure you are going to need it.

London is epicenter of UK outbreak.

I am sure I am not the only one who feels desperately sad looking at this, they have even built a morgue.

branie2 · 26-03-2020 12:48AM

paul71 wrote: »

They weren't open. He is saying they are closed permanently, I am assuming it is Headfort, its the only one in Meath I know of.

You are right, it's Headfort.

FVP3 · 26-03-2020 12:48AM

givyjoe wrote: »

They did NOT drop.

Italian deaths today were recorded as +683 today (reported on the 25th march) and yesterday as +743. The high point was three days ago, since then the rate of growth has stagnated or fallen.

Daily new cases are also clearly stagnating or falling, as you can see in the new cases here

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

redarmy · 26-03-2020 12:49AM

Gardaí are conducting three criminal investigations into incidents where emergency service employees have been coughed at or spat at in the course of their work.

givyjoe · 26-03-2020 12:49AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Italian deaths today were recorded as +683 and yesterday as +743. The high point was three days ago, since then the rate of growth has stagnated or fallen.

Daily new cases are also clearly stagnating or falling, as you can see in the new cases here

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

I and the other poster were referring to Spain. Not Italy.

Blueshoe · 26-03-2020 12:49AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

There is a buy opportunity - just need to know when to buy in, personality I don't think we've hit the bottom yet, but that's just an opinion.

Big investors who may have swap contracts, need cash and hence are selling anything they can - whatever is liquid is going - but those markets are tightening up even.

Spreads are increasing to levels never seen before

So for all those reasons I think the market will drop further.

Very possible. Such uncertainty. But uncertainty doesn't last forever. The Us is on course to be the most affected country on the planet. Who knows what will happen.
Check out what Bill Ackman is up to.

https://www-bloomberg-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-23/ackman-makes-2-5-billion-recovery-bet-amid-coronavirus-tumble?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15851802128941&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-23/ackman-makes-2-5-billion-recovery-bet-amid-coronavirus-tumble

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP