CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Snowbiee21 · 25-03-2020 04:48PM

Is there some sort of conference today?
The ma has me convinced there is

mosii · 25-03-2020 04:51PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJlLVpJu7ZQ

Spreading exponentially ,its going to be a long few months,take care everybody.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 04:51PM

Snowbiee21 wrote: »

Is there some sort of conference today?
The ma has me convinced there is

Only the daily case update.

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 04:52PM

kowloon wrote: »

I wonder how much of the manufacturing capacity would actually be needed for Ireland if we're making 50% of the entire planet's supply. The numbers will be gone over with a fine-tooth lens after this is over, but for now, that horse has sailed the nest.

I seriously doubt this figure. Id say a lot are shipped here and distributed from here for tax reasons.

bekker · 25-03-2020 04:52PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very good point. Why is Germany allowed to ban export of PPE though. Shouldn't it be triaged like other resources? Like Italy / Spain clearly need it way more than they do. If the numbers are anything to go by.

Both Germany and France, we just have to put up with it, health and security are national competencies.

EU is attempting to establish a strategic cache of medical equipment and supplies needed to manage COVID-19.

It is to be distributed on basis of need.

Plus, we are a small open economy, Germany and France are major economic powers, and geopolitically significant.

Different rules for them.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 04:53PM

Seem to be later than usual with the UK data today?

patnor1011 · 25-03-2020 04:55PM

lbj666 wrote: »

Imagine the other way round, we stash on ventilators like bog roll from the supermarket and the rest of the world finds out.

So?
It is the new norm anyway.
Why would you expect our government to be any different from say German one which confiscated even foreign owned material which come to German ports to be sent to other countries? They did not have any problem doing that citing national emergency.
Or Czech government which confiscated Chinese help for Italians and distributed it to their own hospitals and tried to cover it up till the last minute.

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 04:55PM

Boggles wrote: »

6% has been touted as the figure of positive testing so far.

That figure will likely increase given we have 45% community spread.

But even using that figure out of the 40,000 (which is not the figure anymore it's gone up) we have missed 2,400 positive people or almost double our confirmed cases.

That's a big problem and a huge fúck up.

Our data is at least 9+ days if not more behind, where it should be only 3 days.

Sounds like the latest in a long line of monumental c*ck ups from the HSE and government.

Why should we have expected anything better given their past record? They have a history of waiting until everything reaches meltdown.

kowloon · 25-03-2020 04:56PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I seriously doubt this figure. Id say a lot are shipped here and distributed from here for tax reasons.

Could well be. I used to work for a multinational that shipped product abroad for basic finishing for the same reason.

martin101 · 25-03-2020 04:56PM

Another day doing non essential admin work in an office today. a few are working from home but others like myself who have asked have been told it's too messy for yous to work at home. I've asked for staggered hours to try to stop being in with many, I'm 20 years with the company. I'm always in and never out sick. I have a family member with a serious underlying condition but I'm still told there's nothing they can do for me so it's 9-5 again tomorrow and the two bus journeys ontop of that. Really think I might go out on the sick with stress before I do actually get sick with the virus and bring it home. It's against everything I stand for but I'm just so upset at the thoughts of passing this on and my employers not helping me out at all. My job is work that could literally be left there for weeks and have no impact on anyone

Bob24 · 25-03-2020 04:57PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very good point. Why is Germany allowed to ban export of PPE though. Shouldn't it be triaged like other resources? Like Italy / Spain clearly need it way more than they do. If the numbers are anything to go by.

As a sovereign nation state it doesn't need to be "allowed" to do it.

Not judging their action here; but just pointing that it is incorrect to think any entity can disallow Germany to do this.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 04:57PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

People need to get some balls at a time like this. Sending frontline staff to confront this pandemic without adequate PPE is breaking the social contract.

They didn't sign up for that.

I said it 2 weeks ago, there was no need to publish it, but those factories should have been getting a visit and told the Irish government will be taking X amount of you produce at Y price for the foreseeable.

Masks that were pennies are now changing hands in massive bulk at 7 dollars a piece.

The yanks have just passed a 2 trillion dollar package, they will out bid everyone in the world for the PPE.

Time to be smart.

BorneTobyWilde · 25-03-2020 04:57PM

Has anyone noticed a difference under our new rules announced yesterday? I haven't , lots of the same stores open for no reason other than greed.

kowloon · 25-03-2020 04:58PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Why can you not see it?

No, it was just the choice of colour on something involving NI

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stockshares · 25-03-2020 04:59PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Only the daily case update.

5.30pm on news now going by Fergal Bowers. Follow him on Twitter

Tell me how · 25-03-2020 04:59PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sounds like the latest in a long line of monumental c*ck ups from the HSE and government.

Why should we have expected anything better given their past record? They have a history of waiting until everything reaches meltdown.

You are living in one of the safest, most secure countries on the planet.
The recent response to this has been agreed with and appreciated by the majority of the country.

Try to keep things in perspective.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 04:59PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a difference under our new rules announced yesterday? I haven't , lots of the same stores open for no reason other than greed.

A lot of the places were closed or closing anyway.

Yesterdays press conference was as confusing as it was needless.

Hairdressers are closed.

We didn't need the whole pomp out for that.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 04:59PM

stockshares wrote: »

5.30pm on news now goingby Fergsl Bowers. Follow him on Twitter

7.30 now, he says.

martin101 · 25-03-2020 05:00PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Has anyone noticed a difference under our new rules announced yesterday? I haven't , lots of the same stores open for no reason other than greed.

Yep cause they are all still classing them as essential. Unless forced to close then they won't. Like my place. All in work doing stuff that is boring admin that could wait weeks

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 05:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

Germany only banned it to build up their resources.

They are exporting again.

I don't hold that against Germany, I think it was the most prudent decision they could make.

But for some odd reason if the Irish do it we will be destroyed by some sort consequences down the line.

Because certain people in this country, are allowed to put profits and business relationships ahead of human life!

Something you wouldn't get away with in many other countries!

Germany also doesn't have to beg multinationals to set up their operations in their country... so they can also tell them to feck off if they don't like certain decisions! We have bow down and do what we're told.

That's one thing in normal circumstances... but these are no ordinary circumstances. We need those ventilators, and we should at least be taking a decent % of whatever is produced each week/month for our own needs... that's what a strong leader in this country would do right about now!

cnocbui · 25-03-2020 05:02PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Surely the Govt. could step in and requisition them for Irish domestic use.

You and I would, that mob...?

25-03-2020 05:03PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Because certain people in this country, are allowed to put profits and business relationships ahead of human life!

Something you wouldn't get away with in many other countries!

Germany also doesn't have to beg multinationals to set up their operations in their country... so they can also tell them to feck off if they don't like certain decisions! We have bow down and do what we're told.

That's one thing in normal circumstances... but these are no ordinary circumstances. We need those ventilators, and we should at least be taking a decent % of whatever is produced each week/month for our own needs... that's what a strong leader in this country would do right about now!

Jesus christ, the ventilators aren't the problem. It's having trained staff that can use them that is the limiting factor.

PCeeeee · 25-03-2020 05:03PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Because certain people in this country, are allowed to put profits and business relationships ahead of human life!

Something you wouldn't get away with in many other countries!

Germany also doesn't have to beg multinationals to set up their operations in their country... so they can also tell them to feck off if they don't like certain decisions! We have bow down and do what we're told.

That's one thing in normal circumstances... but these are no ordinary circumstances. We need those ventilators, and we should at least be taking a decent % of whatever is produced each week/month for our own needs... that's what a strong leader in this country would do right about now!

I'm afraid it isn't as simple as just getting ventilators. We could have thousands. Any that did not have professionals/facilities to use them would be useless.

Duke of Url · 25-03-2020 05:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

A lot of the places were closed or closing anyway.

Yesterdays press conference was as confusing as it was needless.

Hairdressers are closed.

We didn't need the whole pomp out for that.

Nailed it!

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 05:04PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sounds like the latest in a long line of monumental c*ck ups from the HSE and government.

Why should we have expected anything better given their past record? They have a history of waiting until everything reaches meltdown.

I don't think its a f*ck up by the government,

I think the government under estimated how ****ing stupid the Irish public is, way to many people just turning up with nothing more than a common cold and causing the whole process to go to its knees,

Its the peoples fault not the governments that they had to change testing strategy

john_doe. · 25-03-2020 05:06PM

moonlighting_1 wrote: »

Young person dies in the uk. Nobody is safe with this virus.

BREAKING: 21-year-old with no underlying health concerns dies from COVID-19

This thing is frightening.

Everyone prob reads the underlining health news or elderly and thinks it wont get them , but the disease is dangerous and can take anyone.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 05:06PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Each state reports separately. We don't see the total national figures till much later in the evening I believe.

They were updating all through the day yesterday, though.

EDIT:

Hmm, since I last posted the US numbers have gone to where they were this time yesterday, more or less.

Larbre34 · 25-03-2020 05:09PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Sounds like the latest in a long line of monumental c*ck ups from the HSE and government.

Why should we have expected anything better given their past record? They have a history of waiting until everything reaches meltdown.

Which would be fine, if there was a word of fact in what you've said.

Our Government, such as it is and while not perfect, has done a very good job in the biggest global crisis since World War 2.

They are placing safety nets for as many people and situations as possible while trying to reorder societal norms in an impossible time frame with limited and changing information.

I look at other countries' responses, near and far, and I am very thankful for me and my family to be where we are just now, as you should be too.

In any case, its not this acting Government you need to concern yourself with, its the one likely to be in place by next week, which when this is over will be staring at a €10-15 billion bill while trying to cope with a hammer blow GDP/GNI drop of 10-30% and unemployment gone from 4% to 20% which will probably settle around 12-15% once jobs that cannot be salvaged are assessed post crisis.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 05:09PM

PCeeeee wrote: »

I'm afraid it isn't as simple as just getting ventilators. We could have thousands. Any that did not have professionals/facilities to use them would be useless.

Yes, I'm sure you need a Phd to operate a ventilator! :rolleyes:

And before anyone says it, I know you need to have knowledge of more than just the ventilator...

But I'm sure staff could be trained to use them.

Even those college kids that are building the low cost open-source ventilators, have said that the they can organise training so that everyone can operate them in a few days!

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 05:09PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I don't think its a f*ck up by the government,

I think the government under estimated how ****ing stupid the Irish public is, way to many people just turning up with nothing more than a common cold and causing the whole process to go to its knees,

Its the peoples fault not the governments that they had to change testing strategy

Well then it will be all the GPs fault, as almost all requests for testing would have gone through them.

So what you're saying is that in the middle of a global pandemic, GPs were requesting spurious tests when people presented with a common cold.

Sounds highly unlikely to me, pal, but we're all loving your righteous anger
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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP