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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #7712
    Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    Rolling back testing right now is a complete joke. Claire Byrne had no fever!

    I can’t believe people still think it’s ok to go out jogging, panting into people’s faces. Should be banned.

    And kids hanging out in large groups in parks with not a Garda in sight. Time for martial law!

    Jesus christ we are not rolling back testing, what the hell are you on about?


  • #7713
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    Rolling back testing right now is a complete joke. Claire Byrne had no fever!

    I can’t believe people still think it’s ok to go out jogging, panting into people’s faces. Should be banned.

    And kids hanging out in large groups in parks with not a Garda in sight. Time for martial law!

    Enforced by?


  • #7714
    NasserShammaz
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 886 ✭✭✭NasserShammaz


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    There's going to be a more extensive report on this on RTE Radio 1 , news at one, in the next half hour or so. "Coughing" assaults on Gardai on the rise.

    I hope it will as funny to them when Granny or their poxy parents get it and there's no room in the hospital because of unnecessary cases.


    Not funny for them I'd say but every cloud ......


  • #7715
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    Rolling back testing right now is a complete joke. Claire Byrne had no fever!

    I can’t believe people still think it’s ok to go out jogging, panting into people’s faces. Should be banned.

    And kids hanging out in large groups in parks with not a Garda in sight. Time for martial law!
    They are rolling it back, they are reorganising it so that they identify more cases.


  • #7716
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Well, I’m sure any Blue Peter badge holder could rustle one up with a cereal box and double sided sticky tape.

    Pft. McGyver just needed a paperclip and some duct tape.
    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Apologies if already posted, but I thought this was picture was just incredibly sad and a reminder of what's behind the daily numbers we see coming out of Italy. It's a man attending his mother's funeral in Italy.

    f6ha6rwffqo41.jpg

    It wasn't even a full funeral, just a blessing. They're not allowed to do any funerals.
    Chaos Black wrote: »
    So a very important question in all of this mess. For men - how are we going to trim our heads without barbers for the next few months?!

    bowl-cut.gif


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  • #7717
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Renee Kind Historian wrote: »
    Jesus christ we are not rolling back testing, what the hell are you on about?


    "Those seeking Covid-19 test must display two major symptoms under new rules"

    RTE News.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0325/1126202-those-seeking-test-must-display-two-major-symptoms/

    "New rules have been introduced for Covid-19 testing, which means patients will need to meet revised criteria to qualify in future.

    Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested.

    These are close contacts of a confirmed case, healthcare staff and vulnerable groups."


  • #7718
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    RTE Radio is reporting that the HSE will only test people with symptoms.
    They will test priority groups and those who satisfy the latest algorithm.


  • #7719
    Talisman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Talisman


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    The contrast in leadership between China and the EU is remarkable. The Chinese took time to react but when they did, they declared war on this, locking down and shutting down all transport in and out of Hubei province.
    The EU did nothing when it was clear Northern Italy was the epicentre in Europe.
    Bavaria could have been Europe's Hubei province, but the German authorities failed to act and isolate possible cases there. Northern Italy is in the state it's in thanks in no small part to a German worker who instead of following advice to self isolate went ahead with their planned holiday trip. Italy had already shutdown flights from China and was screening people who had been there. The authorities had no reason to suspect a German national with no history of travel to China would be their undoing.


  • #7720
    Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    RTE Radio is reporting that the HSE will only test people with symptoms.

    Wrong. You need to show symptoms, need hospital care, or have been in contact with a confirmed case.

    Aside from that, our labs are at 100%. It is not possible for us to process more results. We will probably match S.Korea on a per capita level by the time this is over.


  • #7721
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    dougm1970 wrote: »
    that nephew of mine....the 16 yr old.....who was very sick last week, but nearly fully recovered now....he got sick 10 days ago and was waiting all last week for a test, was told every day they would try and get to him next day.....dunno if theres any point at all now, is there ?

    bit of background....he was extremely sick, couldnt get out of bed to shower for 3 days of it...fever (39.1)...persistent dry cough, headache, sick stomach...his face was so swollen and red...hes very fit, does boxing and football, and never sick, fit as a hare with no weight on him...and its the fact that he has those symptoms on that week...he had to self-isolate until next week, not just to the house, but to his bedroom only.
    family are all on isolation...my wife getting their shopping etc and leaving at their gate.

    anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?
    He should get an antibody test to test for iM or iG antibodies to determine if he had covid-19.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4P91VrfPGw&feature=emb_logo

    Though i'm suspecting that Ireland doesn't perform such a test.


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  • #7722
    Sono Topolino
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭Sono Topolino


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They are rolling it back, they are reorganising it so that they identify more cases.

    They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!


  • #7723
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Yep I was astonished when I heard that!

    And it is not just about testing. Varadkar must not have seen pictures South Korea with everyone wearing masks, must not have seen their policies with regards to screening/restricting people entering the country, and must not know the extend of their contract tracing and confinement enforcement policies. Either that or he is deliberately lying.

    Everything with Leo is spin and PR.


  • #7724
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    True there was a 21 year old footballer in Spain that died from it and turned out he was riddled with cancer

    I wouldn't necessarily say 'riddled'. He had cancer, but was unaware of this before he got diagnosed with Covid-19. He was working full time as a football coach.


  • #7725
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I'm convinced caveat is cosgrave


  • #7726
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Test Test Test, that’s how you beat this. While I am disappointed that we failed to scale up testing, cutting it back now is the right step, the tests were so delayed they may as well not have happened.

    The only purpose of testing is to enable contact tracing, the point of contact tracing is to get people to isolate, if the info is 10 days old it’s too late for them to isolate.

    At least now we might get a quicker turn around on contact tracing.

    I wonder if it would be prudent to contact trace before we get a positive test? If you meet the new criteria perhaps that enough to trigger contact tracing and subsequent isolation?


  • #7727
    Tacitus Kilgore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Mickey Mouse himself.

    Coming soon, to a playground near you:

    WcCSeco.jpg


  • #7728
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!
    No they are narrowing the parameters for the 94% to date who have nothing. They are still going to be doing 4500 tests a day.


  • #7729
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    fritzelly wrote: »
    I'm convinced caveat is cosgrave

    Source?


  • #7730
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    They’re only testing people with two symptoms and who are in close contact with a confirmed case, ignoring asymptomatic carriers! That’s rolling it back!

    that is indeed the worrying aspect - asymptomatic carriers have been extensively well documented by now.


  • #7731
    Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool


    Do we all agree our labs are at 100% right now?

    If we do, what is a better strategy:
    1. Test a load of randomers
    2. Test people who we know are more likely to carry the virus

    Anyone?


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  • #7732
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Strazdas wrote: »
    I would say end of May would be a good bet. All the indications are that the virus has an 8-10 week cycle and then starts to lessen.
    You see... this is the level of ignorance that's out there!

    There are no indications what so ever that the virus has a 'cycle'. Perhaps you are confusing the slow down some countries experience when they introduce stricter physical distancing?


  • #7733
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gabeeg wrote: »
    No, we're now going against WHO guidelines

    I presume you have read them then? Just in case you haven't
    https://www.who.int/publications-detail/global-surveillance-for-human-infection-with-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

    I can take out the relevant section:
    Suspect case
    A. A patient with acute respiratory illness (fever and at least one sign/symptom of respiratory disease, e.g., cough, shortness of
    breath), AND a history of travel to or residence in a location reporting community transmission of COVID-19 disease during the
    14 days prior to symptom onset;
    OR
    B. A patient with any acute respiratory illness AND having been in contact with a confirmed or probable COVID-19 case (see
    definition of contact) in the last 14 days prior to symptom onset;
    OR
    C. A patient with severe acute respiratory illness (fever and at least one sign/symptom of respiratory disease, e.g., cough,
    shortness of breath; AND requiring hospitalization) AND in the absence of an alternative diagnosis that fully explains the clinical
    presentation.


  • #7734
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Test Test Test, that’s how you beat this. While I am disappointed that we failed to scale up testing, cutting it back now is the right step, the tests were so delayed they may as well not have happened.

    We need more testing kits, more testers, and more testing facilities.

    To begin with we were entirely dependent on a single lab in UCD.

    They've left it quite late to scale it up, but they are trying to at the moment.
    The 'cutting back' is not really cutting back it's just priotitization.


  • #7735
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He's a benign emptor.

    Better than being a gullible emptor. :D


  • #7736
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They will test priority groups and those who satisfy the latest algorithm.


    Algorithm, my arse. Can you stop talking out of yours please. Pandemics don't follow algorithms. It can be totally random or in clusters.

    They have abandoned a 40k waiting list that has accumulated over 2 weeks, because its too much. It took them 2 weeks to realise that. A containment phase lost, that will show up in great numbers over the coming weeks.

    They have abandoned community testing at a time when 45% of our recorded cases are community transmissions.

    WHY is the question ?


  • #7737
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Yep I was astonished when I heard that!

    And it is not just about testing. Varadkar must not have seen pictures South Korea with everyone wearing masks, must not have seen their policies with regards to screening/restricting people entering the country, and must not know the extend of their contract tracing and confinement enforcement policies. Either that or he is deliberately lying.

    South Korea have a government, a system and a population ready to deal with this after having these sort of issues before. South Korea were also dealing with the start of this when the rest of the world was open for business and medial resources easily available.

    Ireland trying to follow the South Korea strategy is great but to expect us to be able to match what they are doing is unreasonable. People are holding our government to a ridiculously high standard without factoring in no country is prepared for this. We aren’t the only country struggling to get the resources we want to deal with it but at least our country is trying to be more like The best (South Korea) at dealing with it , then trying to make sh*t up (uk/USA) or leaving it too late like the rest of Europe. So far the tiered closedown has been way ahead of a lot of European countries or at least level with most...

    Mistakes will be made, but that’s supposedly what happens in crisis, the key thing is to learn from mistakes and to regroup.


  • #7738
    YFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    If you're waiting for a test. Self isolate.


  • #7739
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    nacho libre wrote: »
    Sigh. If only that were true

    Yogis ?

    Hypnosis ?

    Schrödinger's Work ?

    Double-Slit Experiment ?


  • #7740
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    "Those seeking Covid-19 test must display two major symptoms under new rules"

    RTE News.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0325/1126202-those-seeking-test-must-display-two-major-symptoms/

    "New rules have been introduced for Covid-19 testing, which means patients will need to meet revised criteria to qualify in future.

    Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested.

    These are close contacts of a confirmed case, healthcare staff and vulnerable groups."
    That 3rd criteria: bolded bit is important.
    Cleverly under-stressed by our national broadcaster.


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  • #7741
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    What indications? From Asian countries that may be different from Europe in all sorts of ways helpful to restricting the spread of the virus that have yet to be established?

    Several European countries are reporting a slowdown in growth following lockdown or partial lockdown. The idea that the virus just continues to grow exponentially and infect an entire population is not in vogue (the whole point of a curve is that it indicates a virus which goes back into retreat again).


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