CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

whats this go to do with the virus exacty

x2^

markfinn · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The contrast in leadership between China and the EU is remarkable. The Chinese took time to react but when they did, they declared war on this, locking down and shutting down all transport in and out of Hubei province.
The EU did nothing when it was clear Northern Italy was the epicentre in Europe.

Turns out Dictatorship and total disregard for human rights have an upside...

Would the price be worth it to establish such a system in Ireland? Tough call.

Donald Trump · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

JRant wrote: »

How can we maintain this shutdown for 12-18 months?
Christ schools children alone would be at a huge disadvantage if it was to carry-on for that length of time. What happens with all the self-employed people? Just tell them to sit on the dole for 18 months.

It's not a real world solution and anyone peddling it needs their head examined. Even 12-18 weeks would be a tough one but probably just about manageable, although the cost to the country will be astronomical even at that.

Who would school children be disadvantaged against?
All the schools are shut.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The contrast in leadership between China and the EU is remarkable. The Chinese took time to react but when they did, they declared war on this, locking down and shutting down all transport in and out of Hubei province.
The EU did nothing when it was clear Northern Italy was the epicentre in Europe.

Do you really think Europe could react like China ?

Its a different world they locked apartment gates and dragged people back into there houses ,
You do realise the governments of Europe simply can not act like this ,

Chin's government do what they want regardless of there people its a different world than the one we live in ,

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nobody says it will actually get to 70% of the population.

Thats an extreme worst case scenario. Even at that 80% or more wouldn't require hospital admission

thats is exactly what what asked and what we are looking at

if a vaccine can be developed by next year then the time frame doesn't change much

look how it has spread, the reality is you will get it

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Look across the water.....

Army moves in: Military seize testing machines from private laboratories for urgent coronavirus checks on NHS staff

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html

What's your point ? We're bringing the private hosptial labs online with an eventual capacity of 15k per day within the next 2 weeks.

Every post you seem to have an issue with and that's mainly having a pop at how the HSE and Gov have handled it.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

The kind of logical thinking that gets you this or say the hantavirus

I'm sure we produced plenty of killer viruses, when we were poor as fcuk too... any area that is very poor, will inevitably have terrible hygiene issues!

Not that I am making excuses for some of the practices in China, that led to this btw... you cannot defend their treatment of animals in those markets.

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 01:18PM

JRant wrote: »

How can we maintain this shutdown for 12-18 months?
Christ schools children alone would be at a huge disadvantage if it was to carry-on for that length of time. What happens with all the self-employed people? Just tell them to sit on the dole for 18 months.

It's not a real world solution and anyone peddling it needs their head examined. Even 12-18 weeks would be a tough one but probably just about manageable, although the cost to the country will be astronomical even at that.

So what's your alternative? Let the virus rip the way spanish flu did and get the tens of thousands of deaths (of mostly elderly/infirm) out of the way?

Jinglejangle69 · 25-03-2020 01:18PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They want to come back to help. Aer Lingus can swing by when it's getting the PPE stuff on Sunday!

No I'm talking about normal peoole who want out now.

Eoin ó Broin is giving out saying the government should send a jet.

I'm sorry but they should have left weeks ago.

We all knew this was coming.

But late crying about it now.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:19PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Who would school children be disadvantaged against?
All the schools are shut.

a year of education, leaving cert progression to college next year

pH · 25-03-2020 01:19PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

If we could clear the country of coronavirus:

Sealing of the borders with a 14 day mandatory secure quarantine for anyone entering the country would work.

Other experts are saying another approach that would work is if we ramped up testing to crazy levels - For example you have a cough and call a number-> 2 hours later you are tested with immediate results and quarantined if necessary and contact tracing is then performed and all contacts tested/isolated.

Sadly we need to be choosing one of these now, and either creating this new rapid test/trace department and getting it staffed and its logistics sorted, or passing legislation for enforced quarantines choosing staffing and securing quarantine centres.

Otherwise it's all for nothing, as soon as you release lockdowns and have new cases entering the country and R0 > 1 again the epidemic will just start again.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 01:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

What is the full numbers for South Korea so far

9,137 cases, 126 deaths.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 01:20PM

Housemate takes the used tea towels out of the washing machine when washing his clothes instead of washing them as well.

weldoninhio · 25-03-2020 01:20PM

FVP3 wrote: »

Best man for the HSE job alright.

What we need is a man who will charge money for hospital admissions and even more if you want a bed, respirator, room, or nurse.

Maybe get onto any colleges in Ireland that do journalism and see if any of their students have dropped out and put them in charge?? Same qualifications as Simple Simon.

Donald Trump · 25-03-2020 01:21PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

a year of education, leaving cert progression to college next year

Everyone in the same boat. No disadvantage

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:21PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'm sure we produce plenty of killer viruses, when we were poor as fcuk too... any area that is very poor, will inevitably have terrible hygiene issues!

Not that I am making excuses for some of the practices in China, that led to this btw... you cannot defend their treatment of animals in those markets.

so they are very logical but not very hygienic

we are dealing with this in quite a logical manner

What else are we going to do exactly?

JRant · 25-03-2020 01:21PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Who would school children be disadvantaged against?
All the schools are shut.

Children missing that length of time in school would be a huge concern and leave them so far behind where they should be educationally.

1800_Ladladlad · 25-03-2020 01:22PM

Number two is not bad at all.

https://twitter.com/theworldindex/status/1242246148741574658

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:22PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No I'm talking about normal peoole who want out now.

Eoin ó Broin is giving out saying the government should send a jet.

I'm sorry but they should have left weeks ago.

We all knew this was coming.

But late crying about it now.

Oh right, missed that. Tourists in Peru are being sorted. Anyone else IMO should just stay put and wait it out. O'Broin is yet another one on a very long list we should be paying no attention to at this time.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:22PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

thats is exactly what what asked and what we are looking at

if a vaccine can be developed by next year then the time frame doesn't change much

look how it has spread, the reality is you will get it

If everyone does in fact get it (which they won't ) and with current the growth rate continues ,
It would mean everyone in the country will have it before the summer is over ,

I'm not great at Maths but everyone would have it by the time June is out id expect ?

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:23PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Number two is not bad at all.

https://twitter.com/theworldindex/status/1242246148741574658

Does that list include toilet paper?!

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 01:23PM

JRant wrote: »

How can we maintain this shutdown for 12-18 months?
Christ schools children alone would be at a huge disadvantage if it was to carry-on for that length of time. What happens with all the self-employed people? Just tell them to sit on the dole for 18 months.

It's not a real world solution and anyone peddling it needs their head examined. Even 12-18 weeks would be a tough one but probably just about manageable, although the cost to the country will be astronomical even at that.

Reopening the country before time will result in the hospitals being overwhelmed which will result in the deaths of 10's, 100's, or maybe even 1000's per day. Do you not get that?

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:24PM

pH wrote: »

If we could clear the country of coronavirus:

Sealing of the borders with a 14 day mandatory secure quarantine for anyone entering the country would work.

Other experts are saying another approach that would work is if we ramped up testing to crazy levels - For example you have a cough and call a number-> 2 hours later you are tested with immediate results and quarantined if necessary and contact tracing is then performed and all contacts tested/isolated.

Sadly we need to be choosing one of these now, and either creating this new rapid test/trace department and getting it staffed and its logistics sorted, or passing legislation for enforced quarantines choosing staffing and securing quarantine centres.

Otherwise it's all for nothing, as soon as you release lockdowns and have new cases entering the country and R0 > 1 again the epidemic will just start again.

Its just about managing it in the least destructive way possible

the very vulnerable could be affected by this for a long time

Cork Boy 53 · 25-03-2020 01:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nobody says it will actually get to 70% of the population.

Thats an extreme worst case scenario. Even at that 80% or more wouldn't require hospital admission

Actually there are plenty saying that it can and most likely will infect 70% or higher of the population to some extent.

Snow Garden · 25-03-2020 01:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Does that list include toilet paper?!

All the edible toilet roll was stockpiled by panic buyers on Panic Thursday (12th March). It's gone.

25-03-2020 01:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What's your point ? We're bringing the private hosptial labs online with an eventual capacity of 15k per day within the next 2 weeks.

Every post you seem to have an issue with and that's mainly having a pop at how the HSE and Gov have handled it.

Within the next 2 weeks, so it could easily be two weeks from now, and that's more likely. this shyte of "within" or we have test "above"1000 for example is all shyte talk. it's like saying the Patricks Parade is ON for now, only to turnabout in 24hrs. The Govt and HSE now ahead of time what that are going to do and what's required but they're not being honest. I have a friend who's out of work 3 weeks now because her partner is still waiting on test results, they had to ring again. The reports say one thing but the reality is different. Even the Spanish nurses blamed the media for not reporting major shortages which put them in danger. \to the point of having to leave elderly patients in their beds to die, it was simply a case of staying without PPE or leaving before you got sick, brought it home to the kids and spread it round.

remember t his is the same HSE who dragged women through the courts before they died. The same HSE that had legal letters saying expect large law suits, deny everything... Yes this is unprecedented I do agree but the HSE have huge form for spoofing.

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Oh right, missed that. Tourists in Peru are being sorted. Anyone else IMO should just stay put and wait it out. O'Broin is yet another one on a very long list we should be paying no attention to at this time.

Tourists are one thing as they are genuinely stuck so they should be brought home.
But anyone who can stay where they are shouldn't be getting a jet set out for them. As great as it would be to get all these people home, if they have economic supports in whatever country they live in then they should stay up for the moment.

Oafley Jones · 25-03-2020 01:25PM

JRant wrote: »

Children missing that length of time in school would be a huge concern and leave them so far behind where they should be educationally.

Behind who?

Nermal · 25-03-2020 01:27PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Number two is not bad at all.

https://twitter.com/theworldindex/status/1242246148741574658

Somehow, I think this ranking may not be taking account of the fact that we're a small nation situated right next to a top ten military power.

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:28PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Actually there are plenty saying that it can and most likely will infect 70% or higher of the population to some extent.

Thats an absolute worse case scenario so to say it's most likely isn't accurate as we cant say yes we're on course for worst case. When social distancing is what 10 days old and new measures yesterday

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP