CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 12:01PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Why are they appealing for it on social media ?

Must be pretty bad to stick your head above the parapet and appeal to the public to donate.

https://twitter.com/CossPeter/status/1242539010028908550?s=20

That is a very bad sign

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 12:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People keep mentioning south Korea as being the successful and transparent in halting the spread which correct on both counts.

However, it's worth pointing out despite having a regime in place any other country would find hugely difficult to implement they still have roughly 100 new cases per day. 6 deaths today as well.

On the plus side that's managable.

for how long can you lockdown?

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 12:02PM

Spain has over taken China's death toll after 738 deaths in the last 24 hours

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-25-20-intl-hnk/index.html

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 12:02PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What high horse? Does that phrase even apply here?

Tell me this, did you instantly wonder if Charles Mountbatten, Idris Elba, Tom Hanks et al were all for publicity?

No there stories where not odd to me her one was , she lives in Sweden a country who only test those with sever cases but she is tested and is fine ,

Not sure why you feel the need to jump to her defence , its like some kinda weird cult , Iv nothing against her never spoke about her but I seen the story and it made little sense so to me (does it to you) looks like its made up for publicity when she is other wise getting none at the moment,

You make it sound like I'd spend my days looking for fault with someone I pay no attention to , I just seen this story that as I said made little sense

it said in the article her parents are documentary makers currently making one of her so i'm sure you can see all the details the up coming documentary ,

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 12:02PM

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

storker · 25-03-2020 12:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

its a completely different virus.

...altogether.

silverharp · 25-03-2020 12:05PM

gabeeg wrote: »

That is a very bad sign

The US are doing the same, its clear there will be a shortage of medical consumables. Take it as being proactive

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 12:05PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

for how long can you lockdown?

This is the root of the problem.

Will there be a surge again if everything is opened back up and people go back to normal routine?

Do the benefits of opening up outweigh the risks?

No one seems to have an answer to that yet (except Trump who wants everything back to normal by Easter).

A vaccine is the only long term solution.

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 12:06PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

The only other option is to reopen the country and let nature take it's course. This seems to be what Trump wants to do.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 12:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, that's a guy thinking outside the box, not evidence of a shortage!

Are you seriously saying that? Spinbot overload......

Hi my name is Dr Anne Marie McLaughlin
I'm a respiratory consultant in St. James hospital.
We need personal protective equipment.

https://twitter.com/CossPeter/status/1242539010028908550?s=20

Are you calling her a liar?

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 12:06PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It's not about Greta. It's about teenage activism and the sincerity of it. Teenagers were being lauded by the media for their social conscience while others pointed out that most were there for the day out.

We have seen from the young people response to a current rather than imminent threat that they do not have the social conscience we were told they had. We can see with our own eyes the gatherings of teenagers and the lack of regard they have for this virus spreading in the community. In truth they are just as selfish as those they chastised for stealing their future since that have no problem stealing the future from older and/or vulnerable people.

If course this isn't news to a lot of people. Anyone with half a brain knew these protests were more about the day out that any real belief on climate action.

My replies are about Greta. Waffle on about teenagers all you like man.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 12:06PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's odd because you want it to be odd, your bias is reflecting in your opinion.

I didn't even reply to you in anyways, you're actually the one jumping to your own defence when not even attacked - why did you feel attacked by my reply to another poster? Why's this about you?

whats this go to do with the virus exacty

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 12:07PM

GM228 wrote: »

Clarification on weather the new case definitions were WHO or DoH mandated, this may not go down well as it appears the requirements is now WHO case definitions and priority groups which has been determined by the DoH it seems, not the WHO:-

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1242762914647457794?s=19

To be fair its proper order those with priority get tested.
We've people clogging up the system who have no need for a test. As they keep saying regardless of if your sick with covid or not, ultimately it's not the test that matters in the end. Its that you self isolate to stop any spread. That's the big thing, the test result wont alter the treatment unless your at high risk or in need of hospitalization.

If you feel like you need medical treatment then of course all the emergency services or your GP if possible.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 12:07PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

The plan is to keep a spike of cases down as much as possible so the hospital's can cope with numbers , After the first big surge spike the number will drop and hospital's will be able to cope with numbers,

By the time it gets to 70% or so of the population it will be spread far less frequently and it'll be back to normal with the odd person here and there needing treatment like the current flu but a little worse,

Not the most detailed explanation but that the ins and outs of it really ,

Akabusi · 25-03-2020 12:07PM

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 12:07PM

Scotty # wrote: »

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

The only other option is to reopen the country and let nature take it's course. This seems to be what Trump wants to do.

Grand . Ill proceed to lose my marbles

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 12:09PM

silverharp wrote: »

The US are doing the same, its clear there will be a shortage of medical consumables. Take it as being proactive

So the HSE has proactively ran out of equipment?

That's a good one.

They either have enough or they don't.

Their very life is at stake. I don't think it's appropriate for a country with a GDP the size of ours to ask doctors and nurses to risk their lives and not give them a fighting chance.

Disgrace. If there are places in Limerick manufacturing it. Should be prioritised for our workers. Germany did the same thing. Charity starts at home.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 12:09PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

The next stage will be more restrictions, up to and including that final don't go out notice some people have wanted for weeks. They don't want to nor expect to get to that point. In any case it's only properly enforceable for 4-6 weeks. As for time limits watch what countries further down the line on this do. I think that 3 month limit is not a bad one to see us out of this.

cloudatlas · 25-03-2020 12:09PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

I'm a bit worried. So say we isolate for three months and everything goes back to normal what happens if a major outbreak starts happening again? Do we all self isolate again?

Its a bit worrying that no vaccine has been produced after nearly three months. To get the amount needed for the over 60's and people with underlying medical conditions could take a long long time for the entire world. I'm no medical expert but could it be a few years before the vaccine is readily available if one ever is?

I just want this to end.

It’s likely that this will come in waves and that it would be prudent for things to stay as they are now for longer than 3 months. Everyone says a vaccine will take a year. We’re in this for the long haul at least we need that mindset not the Donald Trump 3 weeks

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 12:09PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Grand . Ill proceed to lose my marbles

If it's any consolation, you won't be alone.

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 12:10PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

€30 per referral, if your waiting for a test now and dont have a date for a test, if you contact the gp and you meet the new casw definition then they refer you on then yes they'll get €30 again from my reading of it.

That was answered in last nights press conference, no tests have had those issues.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 12:10PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The plan is to keep a spike of cases down as much as possible so the hospital's can cope with numbers , After the first big surge spike the number will drop and hospital's will be able to cope with numbers,

By the time it gets to 70% or so of the population it will be spread far less frequently and it'll be back to normal with the odd person here and there needing treatment like the current flu but a little worse,

Not the most detailed explanation but that the ins and outs of it really ,

to get to 70% thats about 160k ICU cases on the island, how long do we think this will take

that's the scary part

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 12:11PM

Scotty # wrote: »

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

Or effective medication, which looks like the only potential short-term answer, however long the odds...

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 12:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Don't our health experts tell us that masks etc don't protect you from the virus, they only help to stop you giving it to someone...? So only sick people should wear a mask, to protect the healthy people.

By that logic, only the patients should be wearing PPE... to protect the doctors and nurses!

Clearly the Asians think differently, and their medics suit up like they are going into a nuclear reactor!

Probably explains why all their citizens wear face masks out on the streets too... they seem to have a bit more cop on than many people here in the west!

We need our medical staff to be protected because they are essential workers.

Everyone else should stay the f*ck home and then no need for a mask, especially if you aren't trained to wear one and end up infecting themselves by handling it the wrong way, which they will.

Leave the limited supply of medical masks to our health workers.

We're not China, we don't have the ability to mass produce masks.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

BTW wearing a mask as a patient when you are experiencing breathing issues is simply not possible.

Of course it's not... agreed.

I was just stating it, to drive home the flawed logic that is being put out there, by so-called "experts" in this country!

Our medics desperately need PPE, like masks etc... to keep themselves safe from this dangerous virus.

Yet a healthy person wearing a mask out on the street, is pointless apparently... because it doesn't protect you from the virus. Only sick people should wear them, to protect healthy people! :rolleyes:

Seriously, we could learn a lot from many Asian countries in how they tackle these situations. They have quite a bit more common sense and logical thinking!

Jinglejangle69 · 25-03-2020 12:12PM

What's the story with all these people in Oz asking for a plane to bring them home?

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 12:12PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

Someone mentioned a €30 fee per patient, paid by the State. They are only a day or two behind on tests sent for analysis.

Rob A. Bank · 25-03-2020 12:12PM

A very good page from the Financial Times showing graphic representations of how the pandemic is progressing in various countries and regions.

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

I don't like Ireland's trajectory one little bit !

MrMusician18 · 25-03-2020 12:13PM

citysights wrote: »

Look to be fair we shouldn’t be laying all the blame on teenagers. Look at the Cheltenham crowd, all the people getting ice cream in Dun laoighre at weekend, people out on walks, in parks, on beaches, cars parked in rows with people going to these places. Those were not teenagers driving those cars.

All morons too.The Cheltenham banter army who don't have a braincell between them to be honest I didn't expect anything more. Another cohort which have a large number that seemingly think they're exceptional are parents - those with small children having them mixing in parks and playgrounds and those with teenagers refusing to parent them and keep them in.

But the two above groups haven't recently been lauded for having a social conscience that was going to save the world. That was teens themselves. But as we have now seen, there was no real conviction behind it. Also illustrated by the number of schools that seem to go on ski trips to northern Italy. How does that sit with climate action?

The climate strikes were a day out. Nothing more. And that's a shame. It means it will wither and fall away when its not the fashionable cause to be behind, like African famine, or debt relief or Kony.

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 12:13PM

The contrast in leadership between China and the EU is remarkable. The Chinese took time to react but when they did, they declared war on this, locking down and shutting down all transport in and out of Hubei province.
The EU did nothing when it was clear Northern Italy was the epicentre in Europe.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP