CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

CofMixture · 25-03-2020 12:09AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

Yep, myself and the GF were talking about that earlier. We're both convinced the dose we had early January was CV19. We've both had the flu at different points in our lives but that dose felt different to any other ailment we've had before. All the same symptoms as corona - fever, very bad cough, unbelievable fatigue etc that lasted nearly 2 weeks.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to think CV19 got here a few weeks before it was first confirmed.

owlbethere · 25-03-2020 12:09AM

bekker wrote: »

Already comprehensively dismissed on the basis of viral DNA.

WHO et al

Apologies, intended to reply to original post.

That is disappointing

Steve F · 25-03-2020 12:09AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

All the same to me really, life is going to suck without being able to gather with friends. Even with isolation you're allowed go for a walk (once a day in the UK anyway).

Genuinely interested is there going to be support for when people start struggling?
This has to be a concern

dePeatrick · 25-03-2020 12:09AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

Did you get it?

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:11AM

MipMap wrote: »

Saw this in RTE news!
This is ridiculous!

I like the ole drink. Joke about it. Don't see it essential.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:12AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

There is no evidence of this
Flu patients are tested for the strain they have contracted. If coronavirus was going around, it would have showed up in tests, as an uknown new virus.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:12AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Did you get it?

I'll say she didn't.

cj maxx · 25-03-2020 12:13AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/

I had that 'flu' and from what I remember was lethargy,

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 12:13AM

dePeatrick wrote: »

Did you get it?

Yes worse ever, needed two courses of steroids and antibiotics to finally clear, I'm asthmatic but never had that bad

Widdensushi · 25-03-2020 12:14AM

I had it, I think it has been proved it was a bad strain of the ordinary flu,a number of older people died in this area when it was here though.

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 12:14AM

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, the Daily Mail are leading with the same story :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8148529/Coronavirus-infected-half-British-population-say-Oxford-University-experts.html

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

threeball · 25-03-2020 12:14AM

Trump looks like a guy trying to discount himself from the next presidential run

We're going to start freeing up the country.

We're nearing the end of this war.

I think Easter, our churches will be full at Easter, it'll be beautiful, I think that's a beautiful date.

They'll surpass Italy's case numbers in two days, China within 3 and it hasn't even kicked off yet. It's really only embedded in 3 cities, Chicago and some of the big southern cities have yet to be hit heavily. The death toll in America will be in trumps words tremendous.

MipMap · 25-03-2020 12:15AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

Does not explain what is happening in Spain and Italy and France and USA

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 12:15AM

Interesting article about serological tests

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/uk-coronavirus-blood-test-antibodies

25-03-2020 12:16AM

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

I'm actually open minded to this.

But if it was Corona surely we'd have seen at least a couple of countries getting whacked with large amount of deaths and full ICUs

A tiny percentage of the population end up dead or in ICUs. I think what we're saying in the last few weeks is the effects of the virus spreading so much, it's catching everyone in that tiny percentage. That simply takes time and it's had that time.

I'm convinced I had this in December, as are some friends. We're next to China so hardly implausible. We all came down with it around the same time with a very bad cough and sore chest and that. Some worse than others with me being the worst. It was really doing the rounds. My thinking is that plenty of people around me had it as well but were asymptomatic.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:17AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

I had it, I think it has been proved it was a bad strain of the ordinary flu,a number of older people died in this area when it was here though.

Any proof?

Strazdas · 25-03-2020 12:17AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

It's certainly an 'out there' theory. The Oxford guys are claiming the UK shouldn't even be under lockdown as Covid has been widespread in the country for months (!)

threeball · 25-03-2020 12:18AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Thanks. It's a theory that has yet to be tested according to the researcher. If 50% have already got the virus then there would have already been a huge spike in ICU requirements. Plus a spike in mortality rates.

It makes no sense that they wouldn't have deaths til March if that was the case. Worrying that a university professor can not see the obvious flaws in his thinking.

fritzelly · 25-03-2020 12:18AM

wakka12 wrote: »

Hospitals in Atlanta and Michigan in the states have ran out of ICU beds
https://twitter.com/shongables/status/1242548471455981569
https://twitter.com/GaryMiles_DN/status/1242578029035085828

And now you start to see the death rates in the US on a near vertical line

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:19AM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's certainly an 'out there' theory. The Oxford guys are claiming the UK shouldn't even be under lockdown as Covid has been widespread in the country for months (!)

If these Oxford guys genuinely think half of Britain has already contracted this virus then a simply antibody test on a small sample study of a few dozen random citizens would back up their bold claims

fritzelly · 25-03-2020 12:19AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group at Oxford University believe coronavirus has been circulating in the UK since at least mid-January.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

Little suggestion for anyone posting links to premium content - use http://archive.ph/ so we can all read it

GT89 · 25-03-2020 12:19AM

The EUs silence on this absolutely startling. Brexit is beginning to look like a very wise move perhaps pointless though as the EU will likely be irelevant when this is all over as countries will want to take their borders back.

smelly sock · 25-03-2020 12:20AM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's certainly an 'out there' theory. The Oxford guys are claiming the UK shouldn't even be under lockdown as Covid has been widespread in the country for months (!)

Covid19 imo has been around for 3-4 months. There was a bug doing the rounds that i had with all the symptoms of covid

25-03-2020 12:20AM

threeball wrote: »

It makes no sense that they wouldn't have deaths til March if that was the case. Worrying that a university professor can not see the obvious flaws in his thinking.

The deaths are largely because of overcrowded hospitals. During the beginning stages, if you got it, you had a far higher chance of surviving than you do now.

So it does actually make sense. And deaths before this was a "thing" would have been put down as pneumonia etc.

davedanon · 25-03-2020 12:21AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Yes worse ever, needed two courses of steroids and antibiotics to finally clear, I'm asthmatic but never had that bad

Just curious. Why weren't you treated with antivirals, since flu is viral?

fritzelly · 25-03-2020 12:21AM

iguana wrote: »

Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.
...

If that was the case then the health systems across the world would have noticed all these people requiring ICU's
They also do plenty of tests to verify if people do have flu
So the theory is out the window - it was just a bad strain of flu

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:21AM

threeball wrote: »

It makes no sense that they wouldn't have deaths til March if that was the case. Worrying that a university professor can not see the obvious flaws in his thinking.

Yeh I dont get it either. Like I heard people say its been circulating in Italy for months..undected...then suddenly when they start testing in February and find out there are a lot of cases it just so happens there are so many severe cases the entire country's hospitals become full in a week and thousands of people die in a matter of days? It seems like a ridiculous theory to me

frillyleaf · 25-03-2020 12:22AM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

You're completely wrong there unfortunately. Check the HSE website. You are not supposed to go for walks alone if you are self isolating.

I understood this as not being able to go for walks too

tuxy · 25-03-2020 12:22AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Covid19 imo has been around for 3-4 months. There was a bug doing the rounds that i had with all the symptoms of covid

Is that the really bad one that was doing the rounds in Ireland that was confirmed to be a strain of influenza?

If COVID-19 was in Ireland back then the ICU's would be overflowing months ago.

bekker · 25-03-2020 12:22AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I think some strain of CoronaVirus was in Ireland in December January, that flu was brutal and strong

Were you referring to SARS2-COVID-19 or 'flu.

Coronaviruses are a large family of ribonucleic acid (RNA) viruses capable of infecting humans and a number of animal species. In humans, coronaviruses may cause a range of illnesses from the common cold to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

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