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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭Wheety


    walshb wrote: »
    I am saying that I find it extraordinary that a supposedly educated woman in the middle of the whole pandemic dismissed her own symptoms as a head cold...

    She presents current affairs programmes....she's not some nobody living under a rock.

    You know not everyone has the same symptons? She said she had no fever at all and this was one of the signs she kept hearing about on her show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,782 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    What are Ireland doing?

    Ireland is doing a lot in fairness and will be doing more.

    Schools shut down ahead of a lot of countries.
    Pubs and businesses shut.
    Social distancing being encouraged and being observed by the vast majority.
    Test programmes being implemented and will increase
    Recruitment of front line medical staff and preparation of more hospital and facilities.

    That's just a few and I'm sure there'll be more measures announced today but people here won't be happy until it's 100% lockdown as they see it as a miracle cure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    silverharp wrote: »
    Seems like London needs to close its Tube down , it makes a mockery of the shutdown or let it run but you need an NHS or emergency service pass
    I'm pretty sure that's groups of more than 2, which are suppposedly banned. makes a mockery of Johnson's measures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    The decision to reduce tubes despite people still having to go to work is crazy. Those pictures tell a story alright. I think if I lived in London I'd have to cycle or something. You couldn't pile into the tube and not end up sick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Actually, I meant to include America; too big to bully into using correct food hygiene. If it's gonna be done, it should be done right. It's a global concern, so ya, best practice please.

    Pigs and birds are carriers of viruses that regularly jump to humans.

    It's not just the US and China - every country on the planet could be the source of the next pandemic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    I find a bit of arrogance from the young Irish doctors and nurses working in Australia wanting to come home to "Help".

    They actually asked for a chartered flight just for them.
    I’d say they’d be ridin’ the holes off each other on the flight back thinking they are so great ! Drinking champagne as well
    lawred2 wrote: »
    they'd be totes heroes roysh
    All in first class presumably , thered be big group selfies of them all #savethenation , theyd do it for 3 months then go right back to aus, spend the entire time hugging their relatives and on instagram about saving lives while telling everyone who stayed in ireland “ohh you simply have to come to aus mate, its totes sunny”

    It would literally be the most ego masturbatory jaunt for the blackrock college set that the taxpayers money could buy.


    What the fuck is wrong with all of yee? :confused:

    Jealous or just arseholes?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I don’t know how they expected social distancing while the tube was still running.
    Same with the buses, they’re usually packed.

    Wuhan is similar in size to London.
    How did essential workers commute in that city?
    Iirc public transport was shut?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    silverharp wrote: »
    Seems like London needs to close its Tube down , it makes a mockery of the shutdown or let it run but you need an NHS or emergency service pass

    there's about 20,000 cabbies currently out of work in London.

    they could easily be hired to move NHS staff around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Am I the only that while appreciating them wanting to come home also think they should stay and help the people there?

    I am trying to think if a large cohort from say the Philippines went home to help and left us short, but then would most likely expect to just return here after

    Have to say I'd understand the going home but would be a tad bitter if they just expected to waltz back after things settled

    my Filipina nurse girlfriend told me that the government are calling all undocumented carers who don't have a nursing license here (crap English or didn't pass the exams here etc) to step forward and they'll be automatically given a license etc.
    Not sure how true it is.

    No mention of anyone from her hospital looking to go home..not that it's possible anyway..our flights to Philippines for April 2nd we're cancelled by Etihad yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Wuhan is similar in size to London.
    How did essential workers commute in that city?
    Iirc public transport was shut?

    They did the opposite. They put on extra trains/busses


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    What the fuck is wrong with all of yee? :confused:

    Jealous or just arseholes?

    reality of the world I'm afraid.. a lot of this type of stuff is virtue signalling for the instagram story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    I’m not sure about the perth doctors, surely we need ventilators not more staff. They should stay and help the hospital in perth.

    A ventilator is less than useless, and possibly dangerous, if there are not highly skilled staff available to run it.

    You can't just plug someone in and leave them... the patient must be anesthetized and nursed 24/7 usually 1:1 nursing if really ill, or 1 nurse to 2 patients if not so critical.

    We will need every last nurse and doctor to deal with this coming tsunami of patients... otherwise we face a disaster like Northern Italy or Spain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    patnor1011 wrote:
    Correct. But you forgot to add one very imortant potential pandemic factory and it is quite disputable if wet market is number one in this case as wet markets are there thousands of years.

    The other potential source of pandemic and in my opinion more deadly one is military research and their quest of creating perfect weapon. And make no mistake, a lot of countries big and small are heavily involved in this.

    Wibbs wrote: »
    1) we tend to overestimate the ability of military techs to build such things and 2) they've been there for thousands of years and have been hotbeds of infectious diseases with it.

    There is a possibility that is a Laboratory safety incident. Maybe they didn't follow strict protocols of deposing animals after experiments.

    There were incidents of escaped SARS virus in a China's Lab in 2004.


    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137

    "SARS escaped Beijing lab twice -
    Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny - 2004"


    If they didn't learn the mistakes about the wild-life markets in 2003, they might also didn't learn the mistakes about lab safety too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Am I the only that while appreciating them wanting to come home also think they should stay and help the people there?


    Yep. I would've thought the primary point of a doctor or nurse's care would be for the patients that are caring for, and not for those from the country they're from. We'd be rightly fúcked if all our foreign doctors and nurses went home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    What the fuck is wrong with all of yee? :confused:

    Jealous or just arseholes?

    Or confused about the ethics of leaving the health service you work at when a crisis is about to hit it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Wuhan is similar in size to London.
    How did essential workers commute in that city?
    Iirc public transport was shut?

    They initially decided shut down public transport completely and the first day they realised they made a mistake as medical staff couldn't go to hospitals (there are stories of nurses/doctors walking 2 hours to go to work).

    Then I believe they reacted promptly and arranged special transportation for identified critical workers.

    Difference in China though is that society is a lot less atomised than here and there are many layers of existing groups which could help with that (residents committees for each development, party committees in the hospitals, neighbourhood committees, etc; which I assume were all asked to provide support to medical staff - it is a question for another thread whether these structures are good in general, but in such situation they definitely are useful).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭cdgalwegian


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Pigs and birds are carriers of viruses that regularly jump to humans.

    It's not just the US and China - every country on the planet could be the source of the next pandemic.
    Correct. My point is that the standards of hygiene in these two will not will not be forcibly raised collectively by the rest. I'd safely say the standards of hygiene in Ireland are far stricter that in those two; we have to suffer due to their lower standards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,562 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Wheety wrote: »
    You know not everyone has the same symptons? She said she had no fever at all and this was one of the signs she kept hearing about on her show.

    Exactly.....not everyone has same symptoms....even more reason that she should have believed that it absolutely could be Covid....

    Fever is one sign.....it's not D only sign, and it's not a sign that HAS to be present....

    I knew that weeks ago.....and I am not presenting bloody programmes on it...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    dePeatrick wrote: »
    I got it too then, I ended up in a pool of my own vomit on my hands and knees dry retching unable to breathe. I never ever want to go through that again. I thought I would die 100% Took ages to recover from, lost 10kg.

    This one is worse by all accounts, have not been outside the door for over a week now.

    There definitely was a gastric element to it as well, I lost about 5kg, but back the I was under 60kg. When we were over the worst of it I remember making food, looking at it, unable to eat, still feeling so nauseous.

    I'm lucky in so far that we both work from home and have limited contact with others. We're semi rural so can walk in the countryside without meeting a soul, but on Sunday we went to the beach to walk the dogs and it was ridiculous. I literally walked over rocks and seaweed to avoid others - who for the most part were keeping in their own family units. But I'm not surprised that public amenities such as beaches/parks are going to be further restricted. It was far too busy for what we are dealing with.

    I HAVE to go to the shop for essentials today - my child asked me yesterday "Have we any food that hasn't gone bad"? :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭Tacitus Kilgore


    lawred2 wrote: »
    reality of the world I'm afraid.. a lot of this type of stuff is virtue signalling for the instagram story
    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Or confused about the ethics of leaving the health service you work at when a crisis is about to hit it?


    Any hope of an edgelord only thread for these heroes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Well not no-one. Anybody who plans things on a slightly longer scale than the election cycle.

    This is what Bill Gates had to say about epidemics, back in 2015





    Cuba was able to send 53 doctors to Italy. China did likewise internally. Zero EU help. We are me feiners at hearth (countries). Germany banning export of PPE. This shouldn't be forgotten.



    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/bill-gates-epidemic-pandemic-preparedness-ebola-covid-19/


    We are woefully underprepared for this. The last 10 years of austerity has hollowed out our health service. The last 3 weeks have been as much about media spin as they have been about confronting it. I think the government is doing well but the resources are gone. A hollow army, a hollow health service. Initially it was you don't qualify for a test now it's you don't need the result. Health care workers without PPE. You reap what you sow. It won't take long for people to start dying at home. There are people who are told , ah you are not that bad only for them to believe it and not get the treatment they require.

    I think waiting up to 20 days for a test result is a farce. How will we know who to triage if they are not diagnosed not to mention contact tracing. The current advice to stay at home and call if you get worse. From all the countries who are further along there is evidence that you can go downhill quite quickly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Yes, the numbers we have are not live and never will be.

    Also 10-14 days ago we shut down schools etc ahead of many countries so I don't get the constant sniping and saying we did nothing.

    We're at the beginning of this, the numbers are going to go up, and people need to realise this.

    Hopefully what has happened since we took measures will have a positive impact with numbers in the next 2 weeks.

    People will never believe it did as numbers will most likely increase as forcasted by the government but will still be deemed a failure.

    I know bloody well the numbers are going to go up... If the rate of increase exceeds our medical services capability then the BIG problems start.

    We have been timidly reactive and not aggressively proactive so far.

    I fear what is coming because of that failure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    A ventilator is less than useless, and possibly dangerous, if there are not highly skilled staff available to run it.

    You can't just plug someone in and leave them... the patient must be anesthetized and nursed 24/7 usually 1:1 nursing if really ill, or 1 nurse to 2 patients if not so critical.

    We will need every last nurse and doctor to deal with this coming tsunami of patients... otherwise we face a disaster like Northern Italy or Spain

    Yes and there were thousands of volunteers the other day. Australia will be hit badly too, they should stay in the health service that they have been working for and who have paid their wage.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just curious as to how others feel about people dropping leaflets in door's, during this time.

    We had a milkman put a leaflet through the door. I was furious, my partner not so much. Think's the man was doing no harm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    Is there any announcement time for today
    Rgds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Any hope of an edgelord only thread for these heroes?

    Yeah we should start 'a **** the Australian people' thread for you and these heroes abandoning their jobs in the midst of a crisis. Don't worry about the ethics there at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    I find a bit of arrogance from the young Irish doctors and nurses working in Australia wanting to come home to "Help".

    They actually asked for a chartered flight just for them.

    Not arrogance, that's the only way they can make it home, and I say send it.


  • Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just curious as to how others feel about people dropping leaflets in door's, during this time.

    We had a milkman put a leaflet through the door. I was furious, my partner not so much. Think's the man was doing no harm.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Wibbs wrote: »
    In some ways getting more virulent and deadly is a negative for a virus. It needs a host and the more it kills the worse things go for it. The "ideal" virus would be highly infectious but cause few or no symptoms, so it would spread to every host it could.

    Yes, but for immunocompromised people, less virulent is good was the other poster’s point.


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