CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

24-03-2020 10:18AM

Whoever is taking the tube pictures is also on the tube themselves

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:18AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Stations should be doing better jobs and controlling crowds.

Work start times need to be staggered.

When the Italians imposed a lockdown in Lombardy, they positioned police and army checkpoints outside every train station - asking every traveller where they were going and why they were making the journey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvt6nsdlw8

Wibbs · 24-03-2020 10:18AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is what I am betting on. I am pretty much definition of vulnerable and immunocompromised so I will have hard time when I get this. I very much hope for later mutated strain to be less virulent and less damaging but there is possibility that that may not be the case.

In some ways getting more virulent and deadly is a negative for a virus. It needs a host and the more it kills the worse things go for it. The "ideal" virus would be highly infectious but cause few or no symptoms, so it would spread to every host it could.

carolmon · 24-03-2020 10:19AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Stations should be doing better jobs and controlling crowds.

Work start times need to be staggered.

Seemingly they cut the number of tube trains running too due to people working at home... they could pay dearly for that decision

weldoninhio · 24-03-2020 10:20AM

mohawk wrote: »

I would be shocked if there hasn’t been a near collapse of passenger numbers with many passengers returning to where they live.

Also ferries are vital to supply chain. Things relating to food, medicine, medical equipment and supplies will have to continue to come in on flights and ferries.

A friend of mine works for Stena, he got a letter stating that they are key workers. They were told to keep a copy of the letter with them at all times in case they are stopped by any official on their way to or from work.

Jurgen Klopp · 24-03-2020 10:20AM

Right lads

China has ended travel restrictions in Hubei the province where Covid 19 first emerged

This is the test now for what we are all doing and possibly will have to keep doing

https://www.thejournal.ie/china-lifts-restrictions-hubei-coronavirus-5055560-Mar2020/

murpho999 · 24-03-2020 10:21AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Are you serious ? Look at what the successful countries in Asia do.

The minimum should be a temperature check and advice to self isolate for 14 days... and if they refuse to do that, arrest and forced isolation. The temperature check would find the 'open cases' who are already shedding virus.

There is very little use in all our strict mitigation efforts, if we are going to top up our cases every day from the evolving disaster that is the UK.

So you'be seen an Asian worker in an asian airport on the news with a thermometer gun and that means we should do that?

Do you know how many people they stopped and found with the virus?

Majority of carriers are asymptomatic and will not have a temperature.

People coming from risky areas have been told to self -isolate.
How do you propose to force people? Camps at the airport?
I doubt there are many UK citizens traveling here now.

There's nobody on these flights anyway and it's not a major issue now and people should just calm down about it.

24-03-2020 10:22AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

they positioned police and army checkpoints outside every train station - asking every traveller where they were going and why they were making the journey.

Some say we should do that. Anyway like.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:24AM

Wibbs wrote: »

In some ways getting more virulent and deadly is a negative for a virus. It needs a host and the more it kills the worse things go for it. The "ideal" virus would be highly infectious but cause few or no symptoms, so it would spread to every host it could.

which is pretty much what we are seeing with SARS-COV-2 - children acting as carriers, some adults showing zero symptoms ( the "spreaders") , people like Claire Byrne thinking they only have a head cold etc etc ...

silverharp · 24-03-2020 10:25AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

more from the London tube this morning

That could be from Yesterday , unless you some have some reports to back them up

Eric Cartman · 24-03-2020 10:25AM

Wibbs wrote: »

In some ways getting more virulent and deadly is a negative for a virus. It needs a host and the more it kills the worse things go for it. The "ideal" virus would be highly infectious but cause few or no symptoms, so it would spread to every host it could.

Like lovely chlamydia

DOCARCH · 24-03-2020 10:25AM

ZX7R wrote: »

Most Aer lingus flights are repatriation flights and or cargo flights,there was an article about it on rte news during the week, repatriation flights due to end on Thursday I believe.
Cargo flights will continue

I believe Aer Lingus are to start flying to China....just cargo flights....to pick up critical supplies for the health sector.

dan786 · 24-03-2020 10:26AM

The National Public Health Emergency Team meeting is under way via teleconference.

It will make recommendations to the Cabinet on continuing existing measures and significant new measures to help contain the spread of Covid-19.

Blueshoe · 24-03-2020 10:26AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It might be but not at a time of your pleasing. If the time is deemed right and the measure appropriate then it will.

Yeah it's inevitable.

cloudatlas · 24-03-2020 10:26AM

I’m not sure about the perth doctors, surely we need ventilators not more staff. They should stay and help the hospital in perth.

murpho999 · 24-03-2020 10:26AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

When the Italians imposed a lockdown in Lombardy, they positioned police and army checkpoints outside every train station - asking every traveller where they were going and why they were making the journey.

Yes something like that needs to happen.

It's day 1 so I'm sure they'll bring it in.

To me it shows how badly the UK have handled this whole thing and I will not accept people's calls now for us to follow their lead. We have done an awful lot more than they have.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:27AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Whoever is taking the tube pictures is also on the tube themselves

many are from an NHS Nurse , on her way into a central London hospital.

dePeatrick · 24-03-2020 10:28AM

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Myself and my husband were unlucky enough to catch the second strain of H1N1 in 2010. I've never been sicker. Or more anxious about being sick, the shortness of breath and tightness in my chest was very frightening. It lasted 10 full days and has had lasting consequences for my family as I unknowingly passed it on to a family member who then developed chronic fatigue syndrome and spent the past 10 years in a cycle of relapse->recovery->relapse.

And we know that coVid-19 is worse. And this time we've more family members who are high risk. But no matter what people do, others think they're invincible, a few days before the schools closed I spoke to somebody who works in the airport who joked that "sure we're all going to get it":mad::mad:

I got it too then, I ended up in a pool of my own vomit on my hands and knees dry retching unable to breathe. I never ever want to go through that again. I thought I would die 100% Took ages to recover from, lost 10kg.

This one is worse by all accounts, have not been outside the door for over a week now.

skellig_rocks · 24-03-2020 10:28AM

fritzelly wrote: »

(Crap - closed the reply tab by mistake and cannot remember everything I wrote)

Countries are ignoring WHO advice (bar general viral guidelines like wash your hands ) when they have from the very start being saying keep trade going with China, don't block them, don't cancel flights etc etc.

They are far too policised (and too well funded from a certain country) - 500 million held in a pandemic bond that is at least 3 weeks away from being released if ever

Dr Ryan still saying don't go into lockdown - every country looking at Italy and going feck that we are locking down now!
Who to believe - the WHO or the rest of the world?

Very true. Countries which didn't initially followed WHO guidelines in relations to Chinese travel bans back in January (Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, Russia and North Korea(!) etc.) were least affected by the outbreak.

SlowBlowin · 24-03-2020 10:28AM

Renjit wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4P91VrfPGw

Fantastic video...

wakka12 · 24-03-2020 10:29AM

snotboogie wrote: »

Thats what the world did to Germany after WW1, worked out well didn't it?

The death rates in some poorer countries are frightening at the moment:
Indonesia 579 cases. 49 dead, 9%
Philippines 500 cases, 33 dead 7%
Iraq 266 cases, 23 dead 9%
Algeria 230 cases, 17 dead 7%

Indonesia has double the deaths at 579 cases than Austria does at 4,500 cases.

I'd say it's just indicative of a lot of undetected spread rather than a super high death rate

Get Real · 24-03-2020 10:31AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

A friend of mine works for Stena, he got a letter stating that they are key workers. They were told to keep a copy of the letter with them at all times in case they are stopped by any official on their way to or from work.

Your friend is a key worker, and freight etc is essential.

However, I think in general, it is dangerous for companies to start defining "essential" according to their own interpretation/business interests. (Unless the letter is govt issued)

There may be businesses/employers- similar to the pubs that stayed open- that issue letters and people will be going around with it thinking they have some sort of automatic entitlement "but I have a letter". When in fact the letter has no legal basis whatsoever.

It should be up to the government to have a list, insofar as possible. Otherwise there'll be many grey areas and people will continue as seen on the pictures from the London Tube this morning.

It is not for a business, who's primary objective is to make money, to start applying terms that they have come up with, to themselves.

Again, I'm not saying Stena is doing this, but I'm talking about the wider business world.

wakka12 · 24-03-2020 10:31AM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

Very true. Countries which didn't initially followed WHO guidelines in relations to Chinese travel bans back in January (Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, Russia and North Korea(!) etc.) were least affected by the outbreak.

There is evidence there was an epidemic in North Korea. I wouldn't call Singapore 'unaffected' seeing as its society completely changed in order to prevent a mass outbreak

walshb · 24-03-2020 10:31AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Not getting your point? Are you saying she's at fault here?

I am saying that I find it extraordinary that a supposedly educated woman in the middle of the whole pandemic dismissed her own symptoms as a head cold...

She presents current affairs programmes....she's not some nobody living under a rock.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:32AM

silverharp wrote: »

That could be from Yesterday , unless you some have some reports to back them up

nhs nurse earlier this morning

she's subsequently put her tweets into protected mode.

weldoninhio · 24-03-2020 10:32AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

I’m not sure about the perth doctors, surely we need ventilators not more staff. They should stay and help the hospital in perth.

If foreign doctors/nurses did the same from Ireland the health service would collapse.

cloudatlas · 24-03-2020 10:33AM

Get Real wrote: »

Your friend is a key worker, and freight etc is essential.

However, I think in general, it is dangerous for companies to start defining "essential" according to their own interpretation/business interests. (Unless the letter is govt issued)

There may be businesses/employers- similar to the pubs that stayed open- that issue letters and people will be going around with it thinking they have some sort of automatic entitlement "but I have a letter". When in fact the letter has no legal basis whatsoever.

It should be up to the government to have a list, insofar as possible. Otherwise there'll be many grey areas and people will continue as seen on the pictures from the London Tube this morning.

It is not for a business, who's primary objective is to make money, to start applying terms that they have come up with, to themselves.

Again, I'm not saying Stena is doing this, but I'm talking about the wider business world.

Any pics of Dublin?

cloudatlas · 24-03-2020 10:35AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes something like that needs to happen.

It's day 1 so I'm sure they'll bring it in.

To me it shows how badly the UK have handled this whole thing and I will not accept people's calls now for us to follow their lead. We have done an awful lot more than they have.

What are Ireland doing?

Harry Palmr · 24-03-2020 10:36AM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick

As Donald Trump pushed to re-open the US economy in weeks, rather than months, the lieutenant governor of Texas went on Fox News to argue that he would rather die than see public health measures damage the US economy, and that he believed “lots of grandparents” across the country would agree with him.

“My message: let’s get back to work, let’s get back to living, let’s be smart about it, and those of us who are 70-plus, we’ll take care of ourselves,” Lt Gov Dan Patrick, a 69-year-old Republican,

.

I'm sure his sacrifice will be remembered

Rob A. Bank · 24-03-2020 10:36AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes it would as the disease has an incubation period.

You will not see the impact of measures for approx 10-14 days.

Many people do not seem to get this.

Also, I would argue that more than 90% of people are basically in lockdown.

The people you see outside or in parks and beaches etc are a minority. 10% of non compliance would be roughly 450,000 people so that's still a large number. Enough to make places look full and give impression people are not staying in.

Also, the cases we have now are pretty much as predicted so I don't get the shock and horror at the numbers each day.

So the figures today are a reflection of what we DID NOT do 10-14 days ago ?

You have to be proactive with this virus... reacting to today's case figures means you are already 10- 14 days behind the curve.

Listen to Dr Michael Ryan who is used to tackling epidemics caused by nasty viruses !

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP