CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

TheAsYLuMkeY · 24-03-2020 10:00AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Retarded comparison. Wet markets in East Asia(not just in China) are biggest potential pandemic factorieson the planet. Organised crime, both usual and at local governmental levels control them. China has more of them that anyone else and there are some reports that they've started up again. China and any other nation that keeps this practice going needs to be held to account and hit in the pocket hard. If any blame is to be laid for this pandemic and the potentially millions of lives lost it's at the feet of the Chinese government.

My point is,

we can turn to look and blame everyone that hasnt prevented the Virus spreading, not going to serve anyone in the long run.

Apparently claire byrne admits now she dropped the ball by not isolating straight away because she thought she had a head cold.

Either we are all in this togeher, or we sould all blame the last person and tear the world apart.

If thats the case,

****ing Italians didn't act fast enough.

Not going to help anyone.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:02AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wow, what absolute morans

i honestly do hope somebody in the Irish civil service is circulating these London tube photos - this virus ain't no joke when it gets going. Spreads like wildfire.

And you have an enormous petri-dish in the country right next door.

All flights to/from London need to be stopped NOW..

hawkwing · 24-03-2020 10:03AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

Jubilee line , London, this morning

One of the last places in Europe a pickpocket can now make a living

snotboogie · 24-03-2020 10:04AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Sometimes even Trump is right, China are by far the actor most to blame for this global predicament. Ignored the scummy exotic animal trade in wet markets in tens of thousands of locations with full knowledge of that these were the conditions that created SARS, and then expended the critical early weeks trying to cover it up.

Even have the balls to mount a propaganda offensive suggesting the US military developed it. This is not the behaviour of a trustworthy state.

They're on a charm offensive at the moment, but they'd be doing well to escape with it being labeled 'the China virus.'

Every nation affected should send a bill to Beijing at the end of this mess.

Thats what the world did to Germany after WW1, worked out well didn't it?

The death rates in some poorer countries are frightening at the moment:
Indonesia 579 cases. 49 dead, 9%
Philippines 500 cases, 33 dead 7%
Iraq 266 cases, 23 dead 9%
Algeria 230 cases, 17 dead 7%

Indonesia has double the deaths at 579 cases than Austria does at 4,500 cases.

murpho999 · 24-03-2020 10:04AM

Poorside wrote: »

99% of people are not pretty much in lockdown, if they were nothing would be happening, open your eyes.

Yes it would as the disease has an incubation period.

You will not see the impact of measures for approx 10-14 days.

Many people do not seem to get this.

Also, I would argue that more than 90% of people are basically in lockdown.

The people you see outside or in parks and beaches etc are a minority. 10% of non compliance would be roughly 450,000 people so that's still a large number. Enough to make places look full and give impression people are not staying in.

Also, the cases we have now are pretty much as predicted so I don't get the shock and horror at the numbers each day.

Renjit · 24-03-2020 10:04AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

That said we still dont know if immunity is a thing, as there has been talk of reinfection, or possibly is the reinfection a mutation ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4P91VrfPGw

borderlinemeath · 24-03-2020 10:05AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Please dont take this as fact, just my logic based on the facts we know.

There is little recorded, detailed, scientific history on similar epidemics other that SARs etc. But we do know H1N1 Spanish flu (thought to originate from the UK/US) was far more deadly in the second phase once it had mutated. The first stage (pre-mutation) killed the old and infirm, but the second wave was indiscriminate young and fit alike, 10 times more deadly than the first.

The second wave arrived within 12 months of the first, and the only people who had immunity to the second wave were those who caught the first infection.

IF CV19 followed the same path, and IF a vaccine is 12-18 months away then, strange as it may seem, mathematically your best chance of long term survival is to catch this strain now, and get immunity.

That said we still dont know if immunity is a thing, as there has been talk of reinfection, or possibly is the reinfection a mutation ?

EDIT: This is NOT advice - its just maths, I am in lockdown and I follow gov advice.

Anyway NO ONE KNOWS, yet......

Myself and my husband were unlucky enough to catch the second strain of H1N1 in 2010. I've never been sicker. Or more anxious about being sick, the shortness of breath and tightness in my chest was very frightening. It lasted 10 full days and has had lasting consequences for my family as I unknowingly passed it on to a family member who then developed chronic fatigue syndrome and spent the past 10 years in a cycle of relapse->recovery->relapse.

And we know that coVid-19 is worse. And this time we've more family members who are high risk. But no matter what people do, others think they're invincible, a few days before the schools closed I spoke to somebody who works in the airport who joked that "sure we're all going to get it":mad::mad:

eldudebros · 24-03-2020 10:06AM

What are Londoners supposed to do if they're expected to go to work? It's easy to judge others and point the finger, but unless the government shut more places down I don't see what they're expected to do but continue on as they are.

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 10:06AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

You are contradicting yourself here.
If every virus mutates randomly at different rates there is a reason to believe that this virus subsequent mutation will go any way possible or imaginable.

We can only go on past viruses of the same strain which mutated to be less deadly, so this one should go the same way. It might not but it should.

patnor1011 · 24-03-2020 10:06AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Retarded comparison. Wet markets in East Asia(not just in China) are biggest potential pandemic factorieson the planet. Organised crime, both usual and at local governmental levels control them. China has more of them that anyone else and there are some reports that they've started up again. China and any other nation that keeps this practice going needs to be held to account and hit in the pocket hard. If any blame is to be laid for this pandemic and the potentially millions of lives lost it's at the feet of the Chinese government.

Correct. But you forgot to add one very imortant potential pandemic factory and it is quite disputable if wet market is number one in this case as wet markets are there thousands of years.

The other potential source of pandemic and in my opinion more deadly one is military research and their quest of creating perfect weapon. And make no mistake, a lot of countries big and small are heavily involved in this.

Duke of Url · 24-03-2020 10:06AM

Looks like 2 more on the recovered list

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-live-update-galway-covid19-21740865

murpho999 · 24-03-2020 10:07AM

mean gene wrote: »

Again it has to be stated flights full of potential virus carriers arriving in every few minutes in Dublin and not been checked. Wtf is the point of all these measures. Also ferry's coming in daily

Have you not seen how the aviation industry has collapsed. Dublin Airport was empty yesterday.

I would say planes and ferries are bringing Irish people home which is their right and we cannot just abandon our citizens abroad.

Checking people getting off planes won't achieve anything either due to incubation period. So it would waste tests and manpower.

Mav11 · 24-03-2020 10:08AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Looks like 2 more on the recovered list

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-live-update-galway-covid19-21740865

The stats are still only showing 5!

Duke of Url · 24-03-2020 10:08AM

Mav11 wrote: »

The stats are still only showing 5!

I hope it gets updated.

Wibbs · 24-03-2020 10:08AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

My point is,

we can turn to look and blame everyone that hasnt prevented the Virus spreading, not going to serve anyone in the long run.

Apparently claire byrne admits now she dropped the ball by not isolating straight away because she thought she had a head cold.

Either we are all in this togeher, or we sould all blame the last person and tear the world apart.

If thats the case,

****ing Italians didn't act fast enough.

Not going to help anyone.

Sure, but the major difference is without a bunch of primitives stuffing wild animals in with domestic and butchering them in the open air to sell to another bunch of primitives who think eating pangolin makes their tiny peckers hard, Ms Byrne nor the Italians would have had to drop the ball or not. In the long run if they don't close such places this will happen again and again. They are literally biological weapons on a lit fuse.

ZX7R · 24-03-2020 10:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Because they always do! I did see read somewhere that hedge funds are looking to target companies that come out of this badly.

All ready happening but not with hedge funds per se
Big roumers that Ryan air is approaching other airlines that are in trouble to buy airframes from them.
I also read an Italian article from an Italian law firm suggesting that some Chinese business are showing an interest in purchasing small Italian business that are in trouble.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:09AM

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Apparently claire byrne admits now she dropped the ball by not isolating straight away because she thought she had a head cold.

i think the big lesson there is - even if you think you only have a head cold, you HAVE to go into isolation.

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 10:10AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes it would as the disease has an incubation period.

You will not see the impact of measures for approx 10-14 days.

Many people do not seem to get this.

Also, I would argue that more than 90% of people are basically in lockdown.

The people you see outside or in parks and beaches etc are a minority. 10% of non compliance would be roughly 450,000 people so that's still a large number. Enough to make places look full and give impression people are not staying in.

Also, the cases we have now are pretty much as predicted so I don't get the shock and horror at the numbers each day.

Plus you can guarantee after the public outcry over last weekend, the vast majority of people will not leave their houses this weekend. There will not be scenes like we saw last weekend.

Mav11 · 24-03-2020 10:10AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I hope it gets updated.

Could bring a bit more hope, which is needed.

24-03-2020 10:10AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wow, what absolute morans

Do you know the family well?

Wibbs · 24-03-2020 10:11AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Correct. But you forgot to add one very imortant potential pandemic factory and it is quite disputable if wet market is number one in this case as wet markets are there thousands of years.

The other potential source of pandemic and in my opinion more deadly one is military research and their quest of creating perfect weapon. And make no mistake, a lot of countries big and small are heavily involved in this.

1) we tend to overestimate the ability of military techs to build such things and 2) they've been there for thousands of years and have been hotbeds of infectious diseases with it.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:12AM

more from the London tube this morning

patnor1011 · 24-03-2020 10:12AM

niallo27 wrote: »

We can only go on past viruses of the same strain which mutated to be less deadly, so this one should go the same way. It might not but it should.

That is what I am betting on. I am pretty much definition of vulnerable and immunocompromised so I will have hard time when I get this. I very much hope for later mutated strain to be less virulent and less damaging but there is possibility that that may not be the case. Self isolation is not an option for me so it is just a waiting game.

We will see but one thing is pretty much certain that this disease is going to stay and we all will get it at some stage so let just hope there will be some treatment for it as soon as possible.

murpho999 · 24-03-2020 10:14AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Wow, what absolute morans

Stations should be doing better jobs and controlling crowds.

Work start times need to be staggered.

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 10:14AM

Duke of Url wrote: »

I hope it gets updated.

Over 100k have recovered worldwide.

iwillyeah1234 · 24-03-2020 10:15AM

Latest UK stats. Gone over the 6k mark in "active cases"

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

stephenjmcd · 24-03-2020 10:15AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Stations should be doing better jobs and controlling crowds.

Work start times need to be staggered.

Well yes but they couldn't all be in essentially jobs?

Boris basically told everywhere to close last night.

Rob A. Bank · 24-03-2020 10:15AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Have you not seen how the aviation industry has collapsed. Dublin Airport was empty yesterday.

I would say planes and ferries are bringing Irish people home which is their right and we cannot just abandon our citizens abroad.

Checking people getting off planes won't achieve anything either due to incubation period. So it would waste tests and manpower.

Are you serious ? Look at what the successful countries in Asia do.

The minimum should be a temperature check and advice to self isolate for 14 days... and if they refuse to do that, arrest and forced isolation. The temperature check would find the 'open cases' who are already shedding virus.

There is very little use in all our strict mitigation efforts, if we are going to top up our cases every day from the evolving disaster that is the UK.

ZX7R · 24-03-2020 10:16AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Have you not seen how the aviation industry has collapsed. Dublin Airport was empty yesterday.

I would say planes and ferries are bringing Irish people home which is their right and we cannot just abandon our citizens abroad.

Checking people getting off planes won't achieve anything either due to incubation period. So it would waste tests and manpower.

Most Aer lingus flights are repatriation flights and or cargo flights,there was an article about it on rte news during the week, repatriation flights due to end on Thursday I believe.
Cargo flights will continue

Atlantic Dawn · 24-03-2020 10:17AM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

more from the London tube this morning

Doubt they are doing it by choice.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP