CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Loafing Oaf · 24-03-2020 12:11AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I understand, but the poster was trying to make the suggestion that the three countries mentioned had hard lockdown measures we should be repeating. Only China had such measures and we won't be sealing people who went to Cheltenham into their houses any time soon.

The golden boy (Korea apparently) had very soft restrictions even in their major outbreak city (just massive resources deployed) and did not ban travel to and from any country (only Japanese nationals because of a diplomatic spat).

Singapore had no hard lockdown measures of any kind.

So how did they turn it around then? I'm more and more convinced climate is a huge factor in all of this

Gods Gift · 24-03-2020 12:11AM

cinagold wrote: »

whats the story about berries now? do they carry it?

is boards shutting down? do i need my axe now?

Maybe
Maybe
Maybe
Yes.

Hobgoblin11 · 24-03-2020 12:12AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Walkers and Chapstick :P

chavstick surely?

kowloon · 24-03-2020 12:12AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

What does a chav survival pack consist of.

Ironically, it would include a lot of stuff from Sports Direct.

JP Liz V1 · 24-03-2020 12:13AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

So if you test negative, isolate too

cinagold · 24-03-2020 12:14AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Maybe
Maybe
Maybe
Yes.

bollix

I hope Bressie and Clair Byrne pull tru

mmclo · 24-03-2020 12:14AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. The HSE will have to come out and do some sort of a slot on TV and give the nation advice about the home treatment of this. We know the symptoms to watch out for, we know to self isolate, we know to take fluids and o we the counter medicines. They need to come out and tell us, how bad this can get at home and when are we supposed to call for further help.

After reading this and if I can down with symptoms and a flu, I would take it as Covid-19, self isolate, do my bit and I really don't think I would be in the mood for a covid-19 test and swabs stuck up my nose and down my throat. I think I would try and get over it without testing.

testing if you have it as important as social distancing etc. can't fight an enemy we can't see and contact tracing critical

sheepsh4gger · 24-03-2020 12:14AM

Math:

AlmightyCushion · 24-03-2020 12:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Heres what the uk are saying are essential services that can stay open

Bicycle shops count twice for some reason.

Andrew00 · 24-03-2020 12:17AM

I've a feeling there'll be lots of looting going on in London over the coming weeks by the wannabe gangsters

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 12:17AM

kowloon wrote: »

Sounds like a little compensation will be in order for cases like that.

Hopefully, but nothing has been announced so far.
In another article a student nurse said she knew of one girl living with her 88 year old grandmother who has COPD, and others with landlords or roommates who didn't want them in the house in case they brought the virus back so that's another issue. I wonder will those student nurses be allowed to delay their placements.

Mwengwe · 24-03-2020 12:17AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

If you're going to go for mass testing, as in really go for it, then that isn't really an issue. Also people throw around the word hypochondriac, but if someone's immunocompromised or has underlying conditions at the moment I really wouldn't blame them for being scared if they have even mild symptoms.

wonski · 24-03-2020 12:18AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

He meant that you still need to maintain distance etc. People who got negative are like those glove users who have no clue.

That's why I am against masks and gloves.

You get idiots who forget to wash.

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 12:19AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

I know of one hypochondriac who has already been tested, and he was negative. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back on the waiting list again to be tested!

Mwengwe · 24-03-2020 12:19AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

Well yeah because just because you test negative doesn't mean you're immune. The virus is still out there!

tobefrank321 · 24-03-2020 12:19AM

The One Doctor wrote: »

Yes, but death rate must be measured against total infected, not total population. Total infected, however, can be measured against total population.

The British advisors like Vallance have said that for every death, theres likely 1000 cases. Its hard to see where they came up with that rule of thumb.

We know that the mortality rate is more likely around 1% of total people infected. That means in the UK there could be 35,000 infected. In Italy its probably 500,000 infected. In Ireland thankfully we are doing well on the mortality rate but only because we are in the early stages. If we have to make choices over who gets a ventilator the mortality rate will rise.

owlbethere · 24-03-2020 12:21AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Its grim in Spain, older people are being found abandoned and dead in their beds.

If Ireland goes this way and I really hope it doesn't I have visions of scarlet fever type of scenarios where people die at home in their beds.

Martina1991 · 24-03-2020 12:21AM

tobefrank321 wrote:

Honestly, we've had the guts of 3 months to prepare for this. All we had to do was follow to the letter everything China, South Korea and Singapore were doing. We ignored every single lesson from their outbreaks. Lessons around banning travel asap to and from hotspot zones, forced isolation of those coming from hotspots, imposing real lockdowns and maximising testing. Almost 3 months for our government and HSE to take on board those lessons. They failed and pretty much told us "it will never happen here". Guess what, it has happened and now they are going around like headless chickens. Our government and HSE don't do proactive. They always act only when the sh*t has well and truly hit the fan.

Outbreaks happen every so often.
The Ebola virus outbreak sticks in my mind as it was recent enough.

I remember all the plans that were put in place for the Ebola virus at work.
PPE, isolation rooms, SOPs, how would we process patient samples. The virus was transmitted through fluids so opening blood samples on a tracked analyser would require decontaminating our whole system for each sample.
Thankfully that outbreak didnt hit us hard, but we still had to prepare.

Imagine if we had set up testing centres and developed expensive testing kits and closed all borders at the time. We would cripple the economy every time there was an outbreak.

That would have been wildly excessive and a waste of time and resources. We didnt set up testing centres for zika either, or swine flu or any other outbreak .
So why should we have acted sooner for this outbreak?

We have specialists and experts in positions of power to plan accordingly to any national threat.

Epidemiologists, scientists, economists, the department of health, the HSE. Its their job to act appropriately when we have to.

Your comments come from a place of hindsight. Why didn't we see it coming?
No one saw this coming.

skellig_rocks · 24-03-2020 12:21AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I understand, but the poster was trying to make the suggestion that the three countries mentioned had hard lockdown measures we should be repeating. Only China had such measures and we won't be sealing people who went to Cheltenham into their houses any time soon.

The golden boy (Korea apparently) had very soft restrictions even in their major outbreak city (just massive resources deployed) and did not ban travel to and from any country (only Japanese nationals because of a diplomatic spat).

Singapore had no hard lockdown measures of any kind.

Yeah you are right. Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea and Japan seems to able to control the outbreak without full lockdowns.
Most people can still get on with their lives.

Some of these places have experience from SARS 18 years ago and people are more cautious and discipline (wearing masks and social distancing). Together with some border controls (ban entry or enforced quarantine of arrivals). They should be the models to learn from. However I think it is a bit late to avoid some form of lockdown now in Ireland.

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 12:21AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

We should all isolate as much as possible. Even those with no symptoms or who have tested negatively. We should only go out if we need to.

But if someone has tested positive or is waiting for their test results they shouldn't even be going out for a once weekly trip to the shops. They need to get their shopping/medication brought to them and left outside the door.

pjohnson · 24-03-2020 12:22AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The British advisors like Vallance have said that for every death, theres likely 1000 cases. Its hard to see where they came up with that rule of thumb.

We know that the mortality rate is more likely around 1% of total people infected. That means in the UK there could be 35,000 infected. In Italy its probably 500,000 infected. In Ireland thankfully we are doing well on the mortality rate but only because we are in the early stages. If we have to make choices over who gets a ventilator the mortality rate will rise.

We are heading straight towards a situation where we need to make those choices.

Yurt2 · 24-03-2020 12:23AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

So how did they turn it around then? I'm more and more convinced climate is a huge factor in all of this

Only barely warming up in Korea, coming out of their winter time into their spring.

-High levels of compliance with hygiene;
-mask wearing;
-sanitizers in every building;
-temperature checks going into malls & office buildings;
-invasive technology for tracing;
-huge resources directed at Daegu;
-free testing and treatment that's very accessible;
-good consistent communication from the government;
-lessons learned from a horrible experience with MERS a few years ago

Very little in the way of:

- LOCKDOWN (said in Hollywood trailer voice)
- BANNING people and flights
- surprisingly little social distancing
- some businesses have closed at their discretion but not as many as you'd imagine
- bars and restaurants remain open for business for the most part (schools and universities remain closed however)

Edit: Another important variable, the church where the infection spread like wildfire in Daegu had a disproportionate amount of young women. Who are the least likely demographic to die from the virus. So they got lucky on that count.

dark crystal · 24-03-2020 12:23AM

We got a text from work last night informing us that our boss has tested positive for Covid-19 and is currently in hospital. Contact tracing has said only certain members of the office now need to isolate for a week, as they were most likely to have had longer interactions of 15 minutes or more with him.

It's a smallish open office and social distancing wasn't observed until last week. Everyone in the office would have been in contact with him and all the surfaces he touched, yet we are being told we do not need to be tested.

I am working from home since today, was in the office every day up until now. I am so worried and confused as to why the rest of us are deemed lower risk of having been infected. I have been in contact with my grandson since last week, who has severe asthma. Not showing symptoms, but am aware not everyone shows symptoms and even if they do contract the virus, it can take up to two weeks for symptoms to appear.

Should I trust the HSE and their contact tracing rules and just continue to work from home, or should I be pushing for a test? I've been so worried all day...

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-03-2020 12:24AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and here I expect.

A so called lock down will need to be backed up with details obviously. The bins will still be emptied, the roads will still be tarmacked and so on.

They’ll probably take all the roads in if there’s a full lock down. Can’t have people driving about willy nilly.

Mwengwe · 24-03-2020 12:25AM

dark crystal wrote: »

We got a text from work last night informing us that our boss has tested positive for Covid-19 and is currently in hospital. Contact tracing has said only certain members of the office now need to isolate for a week, as they were most likely to have had longer interactions of 15 minutes or more with him.

It's a smallish open office and social distancing wasn't observed until last week. Everyone in the office would have been in contact with him and all the surfaces he touched, yet we are being told we do not need to be tested.

I am working from home since today, was in the office every day up until now. I am so worried and confused as to why the rest of us are deemed lower risk of having been infected. I have been in contact with my grandson since last week, who has severe asthma. Not showing symptoms, but am aware not everyone shows symptoms and even if they do contract the virus, it can take up to two weeks for symptoms to appear.

Should I trust the HSE and their contact tracing rules and just continue to work from home, or should I be pushing for a test? I've been so worried all day...

I'd trust your instinct and ask GP for a test. You'll feel better and you have every right

fritzelly · 24-03-2020 12:26AM

dark crystal wrote: »

We got a text from work last night informing us that our boss has tested positive for Covid-19 and is currently in hospital. Contact tracing has said only certain members of the office now need to isolate for a week, as they were most likely to have had longer interactions of 15 minutes or more with him.
...

First sign of any symptoms contact your doc - nothing more you can do
They are not in a position to analyse every workplace so they are more interested in those people who had sustained contact with him

pjohnson · 24-03-2020 12:27AM

dark crystal wrote: »

We got a text from work last night informing us that our boss has tested positive for Covid-19 and is currently in hospital. Contact tracing has said only certain members of the office now need to isolate for a week, as they were most likely to have had longer interactions of 15 minutes or more with him.

It's a smallish open office and social distancing wasn't observed until last week. Everyone in the office would have been in contact with him and all the surfaces he touched, yet we are being told we do not need to be tested.

I am working from home since today, was in the office every day up until now. I am so worried and confused as to why the rest of us are deemed lower risk of having been infected. I have been in contact with my grandson since last week, who has severe asthma. Not showing symptoms, but am aware not everyone shows symptoms and even if they do contract the virus, it can take up to two weeks for symptoms to appear.

Should I trust the HSE and their contact tracing rules and just continue to work from home, or should I be pushing for a test? I've been so worried all day...

Ask for the test.

The only problem is you've a helluva wait to get any result.

josip · 24-03-2020 12:27AM

kowloon wrote: »

Two mentions for bicycle shops, they must be really important.

Not that important, some of them will close for the 3 weeks.

Spanish Eyes · 24-03-2020 12:28AM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Bicycle shops count twice for some reason.

Boris Bikes.

dinorebel · 24-03-2020 12:29AM

Why is it that at the exact moment you walk into a shop your face starts itching like f**ck?

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP