CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

MayoForSam · 24-03-2020 01:07AM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Maybe the students on placement can/will undertake some roles performed by general nursing staff so they are freed up for higher dependency requirement.

You should be proud of your daugnter for stepping up.

I am very proud of her.

froog · 24-03-2020 01:07AM

the UK is not shutting down non essential businesses by the way:

the ban is on travelling to and from work, but only if you cannot work from home.

Blanco100 · 24-03-2020 01:07AM

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

JP Liz V1 · 24-03-2020 01:08AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Its grim in Spain, older people are being found abandoned and dead in their beds.

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

doctors and nurses are being told to comfort them on the phone as they die in their beds, they just don't have the icu beds

I really hope we don't go like Italy and Spain in this

cinagold · 24-03-2020 01:08AM

whats the story about berries now? do they carry it?

is boards shutting down? do i need my axe now?

dloob · 24-03-2020 01:09AM

robinph wrote: »

Petrol station is essential, they sell petrol which is required to power vehicles.
The shops linked with petrol stations are essential, they sell bread/ milk/ eggs/ etc which is food that powers people.
Road works are essential as the vehicles that people drive need roads to drive on, although some may be less essential than others admittedly.
Couriers are essential as they deliver things to people who are staying at home and not going out so enables them to get stuff.

Building sites, well depends what they are building. Hospitals would be pretty essential at the moment.

In the UK at least it is only nonessential retail which is closed.
Everything non retail can stay open and you can still go to work.
This are only closing a few extra shops.

This is from the UK housing minister
https://twitter.com/RobertJenrick/status/1242210351007096836

damemcd · 24-03-2020 01:10AM

or foot and mouth....

JP Liz V1 · 24-03-2020 01:10AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

What does a chav survival pack consist of.

Walkers and Chapstick :P

niallo27 · 24-03-2020 01:10AM

threeball wrote: »

Not sure. Just saw the info on CNN. Didn't see the full report

Be interesting if they were tested to see if they actually had got it and recovered.

Loafing Oaf · 24-03-2020 01:11AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I understand, but the poster was trying to make the suggestion that the three countries mentioned had hard lockdown measures we should be repeating. Only China had such measures and we won't be sealing people who went to Cheltenham into their houses any time soon.

The golden boy (Korea apparently) had very soft restrictions even in their major outbreak city (just massive resources deployed) and did not ban travel to and from any country (only Japanese nationals because of a diplomatic spat).

Singapore had no hard lockdown measures of any kind.

So how did they turn it around then? I'm more and more convinced climate is a huge factor in all of this

Gods Gift · 24-03-2020 01:11AM

cinagold wrote: »

whats the story about berries now? do they carry it?

is boards shutting down? do i need my axe now?

Maybe
Maybe
Maybe
Yes.

Hobgoblin11 · 24-03-2020 01:12AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Walkers and Chapstick :P

chavstick surely?

kowloon · 24-03-2020 01:12AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

What does a chav survival pack consist of.

Ironically, it would include a lot of stuff from Sports Direct.

JP Liz V1 · 24-03-2020 01:13AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

So if you test negative, isolate too

cinagold · 24-03-2020 01:14AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Maybe
Maybe
Maybe
Yes.

bollix

I hope Bressie and Clair Byrne pull tru

mmclo · 24-03-2020 01:14AM

owlbethere wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. The HSE will have to come out and do some sort of a slot on TV and give the nation advice about the home treatment of this. We know the symptoms to watch out for, we know to self isolate, we know to take fluids and o we the counter medicines. They need to come out and tell us, how bad this can get at home and when are we supposed to call for further help.

After reading this and if I can down with symptoms and a flu, I would take it as Covid-19, self isolate, do my bit and I really don't think I would be in the mood for a covid-19 test and swabs stuck up my nose and down my throat. I think I would try and get over it without testing.

testing if you have it as important as social distancing etc. can't fight an enemy we can't see and contact tracing critical

sheepsh4gger · 24-03-2020 01:14AM

Math:

AlmightyCushion · 24-03-2020 01:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Heres what the uk are saying are essential services that can stay open

Bicycle shops count twice for some reason.

Andrew00 · 24-03-2020 01:17AM

I've a feeling there'll be lots of looting going on in London over the coming weeks by the wannabe gangsters

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 01:17AM

kowloon wrote: »

Sounds like a little compensation will be in order for cases like that.

Hopefully, but nothing has been announced so far.
In another article a student nurse said she knew of one girl living with her 88 year old grandmother who has COPD, and others with landlords or roommates who didn't want them in the house in case they brought the virus back so that's another issue. I wonder will those student nurses be allowed to delay their placements.

Mwengwe · 24-03-2020 01:17AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

If you're going to go for mass testing, as in really go for it, then that isn't really an issue. Also people throw around the word hypochondriac, but if someone's immunocompromised or has underlying conditions at the moment I really wouldn't blame them for being scared if they have even mild symptoms.

wonski · 24-03-2020 01:18AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

He meant that you still need to maintain distance etc. People who got negative are like those glove users who have no clue.

That's why I am against masks and gloves.

You get idiots who forget to wash.

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 01:19AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

The issue with testing is you could have every hypochondriac looking to get tested, whether there are symptoms or not.

And then when they test negative they dont bother their hole to isolate.

I know of one hypochondriac who has already been tested, and he was negative. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back on the waiting list again to be tested!

Mwengwe · 24-03-2020 01:19AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

Well yeah because just because you test negative doesn't mean you're immune. The virus is still out there!

tobefrank321 · 24-03-2020 01:19AM

The One Doctor wrote: »

Yes, but death rate must be measured against total infected, not total population. Total infected, however, can be measured against total population.

The British advisors like Vallance have said that for every death, theres likely 1000 cases. Its hard to see where they came up with that rule of thumb.

We know that the mortality rate is more likely around 1% of total people infected. That means in the UK there could be 35,000 infected. In Italy its probably 500,000 infected. In Ireland thankfully we are doing well on the mortality rate but only because we are in the early stages. If we have to make choices over who gets a ventilator the mortality rate will rise.

owlbethere · 24-03-2020 01:21AM

cameramonkey wrote: »

Its grim in Spain, older people are being found abandoned and dead in their beds.

If Ireland goes this way and I really hope it doesn't I have visions of scarlet fever type of scenarios where people die at home in their beds.

Martina1991 · 24-03-2020 01:21AM

tobefrank321 wrote:

Honestly, we've had the guts of 3 months to prepare for this. All we had to do was follow to the letter everything China, South Korea and Singapore were doing. We ignored every single lesson from their outbreaks. Lessons around banning travel asap to and from hotspot zones, forced isolation of those coming from hotspots, imposing real lockdowns and maximising testing. Almost 3 months for our government and HSE to take on board those lessons. They failed and pretty much told us "it will never happen here". Guess what, it has happened and now they are going around like headless chickens. Our government and HSE don't do proactive. They always act only when the sh*t has well and truly hit the fan.

Outbreaks happen every so often.
The Ebola virus outbreak sticks in my mind as it was recent enough.

I remember all the plans that were put in place for the Ebola virus at work.
PPE, isolation rooms, SOPs, how would we process patient samples. The virus was transmitted through fluids so opening blood samples on a tracked analyser would require decontaminating our whole system for each sample.
Thankfully that outbreak didnt hit us hard, but we still had to prepare.

Imagine if we had set up testing centres and developed expensive testing kits and closed all borders at the time. We would cripple the economy every time there was an outbreak.

That would have been wildly excessive and a waste of time and resources. We didnt set up testing centres for zika either, or swine flu or any other outbreak .
So why should we have acted sooner for this outbreak?

We have specialists and experts in positions of power to plan accordingly to any national threat.

Epidemiologists, scientists, economists, the department of health, the HSE. Its their job to act appropriately when we have to.

Your comments come from a place of hindsight. Why didn't we see it coming?
No one saw this coming.

skellig_rocks · 24-03-2020 01:21AM

Yurt! wrote: »

I understand, but the poster was trying to make the suggestion that the three countries mentioned had hard lockdown measures we should be repeating. Only China had such measures and we won't be sealing people who went to Cheltenham into their houses any time soon.

The golden boy (Korea apparently) had very soft restrictions even in their major outbreak city (just massive resources deployed) and did not ban travel to and from any country (only Japanese nationals because of a diplomatic spat).

Singapore had no hard lockdown measures of any kind.

Yeah you are right. Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea and Japan seems to able to control the outbreak without full lockdowns.
Most people can still get on with their lives.

Some of these places have experience from SARS 18 years ago and people are more cautious and discipline (wearing masks and social distancing). Together with some border controls (ban entry or enforced quarantine of arrivals). They should be the models to learn from. However I think it is a bit late to avoid some form of lockdown now in Ireland.

marilynrr · 24-03-2020 01:21AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So if you test negative, isolate too

We should all isolate as much as possible. Even those with no symptoms or who have tested negatively. We should only go out if we need to.

But if someone has tested positive or is waiting for their test results they shouldn't even be going out for a once weekly trip to the shops. They need to get their shopping/medication brought to them and left outside the door.

pjohnson · 24-03-2020 01:22AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The British advisors like Vallance have said that for every death, theres likely 1000 cases. Its hard to see where they came up with that rule of thumb.

We know that the mortality rate is more likely around 1% of total people infected. That means in the UK there could be 35,000 infected. In Italy its probably 500,000 infected. In Ireland thankfully we are doing well on the mortality rate but only because we are in the early stages. If we have to make choices over who gets a ventilator the mortality rate will rise.

We are heading straight towards a situation where we need to make those choices.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP