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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #4172
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Can i ask folk to block this guy on twitter and not to post his tweets here, pretty please with sugar on top.

    Hadn't heard of him til now.


  • #4173
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    antodeco wrote: »
    Are all these people getting tested showing symptoms or just getting tested? I've a massive fear that people are just getting tested to show they don't have it, and then think everything is fine. To understand properly, everyone should be getting tested weekly. A negative now doesn't mean a negative next week

    You can only get tested by referral by a gp... you can’t just rock up and get a test done.


  • #4174
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Are student nurses working without pay?

    Great experience though, will defo ace their exams.


  • #4175
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    This guy

    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242204325906186240

    I defended him a few pages back, but he’s gone full Gemma O’Doherty now

    Any idea what he’s actually trying to do with this data?


  • #4176
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Coronavirus has been front page news since at least January 1st. We were told by the HSE time and time again they were well prepared for something like Coronavirus. We are at the very bottom of the ramp when it comes to cases and their testing process is already essentially overstressed and broken.

    How is it broken, just because people have to wait.

    Do you see how we're testing more people and it will ramp up. We're testing more than the UK & Netherlands.

    It's not broken, it's not fully up to speed yet and it takes time.

    This does not mean they're not well prepared.
    Also, can you not see how things ramped up rapidly from the start of March?


    Can you not see how we're doing better than Italy or Spain?

    Really people just come on here and just criticise because it's Ireland, or the HSE or the Government.


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  • #4177
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    EDit wrote: »
    You can only get tested by referral by a gp... you can’t just rock up and get a test done.

    The wording on RTE earlier said that some onf the new test centres opening today we're for referrals only, which made it sound like some others weren't!


  • #4178
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭threeball


    More info coming out from diamond princess.

    Over 700 were infected.

    50% were asymptomatic, with no symptoms whatsoever.

    Coronavirus was found on some surfaces up to 17 days after the ship was vacated


    So we're looking at high numbers of superspreaders but a high rate of herd immunity based on those findings.


  • #4179
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Italy banned travel from China ages ago...
    The problem is EU didn't ban flights from China, or anyone who were in China in past 14days. So if someone from China wished to go to Italy (or Ireland), they would just transit via LHR or CDG or AMS. I know few Chinese did just that back to Dublin after Chinese New year


  • #4180
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I think in a few weeks time the Americas will become the new "epicentre".

    The US looks to be headed for a severe crisis.

    But I'd keep an eye on Brazil as well. Cases starting to rise by 300+ a day and today alone there were 9 deaths.


  • #4181
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,783 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    antodeco wrote: »
    The wording on RTE earlier said that some onf the new test centres opening today we're for referrals only, which made it sound like some others weren't!

    No, you can only get tests if you were referred by a doctor.

    Makes complete sense and prevents wasting of tests as the majority would be negative.


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  • #4182
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    When the UK government announced their new lockdown measures, they said that this would reduce the number of infections originating from one infected person in one month from about 400 to about 15. That's a big difference, but 15 is still a scary figure.


  • #4183
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Honestly, we've had the guts of 3 months to prepare for this. All we had to do was follow to the letter everything China, South Korea and Singapore were doing. We ignored every single lesson from their outbreaks. Lessons around banning travel asap to and from hotspot zones, forced isolation of those coming from hotspots, imposing real lockdowns and maximising testing. Almost 3 months for our government and HSE to take on board those lessons. They failed and pretty much told us "it will never happen here". Guess what, it has happened and now they are going around like headless chickens. Our government and HSE don't do proactive. They always act only when the sh*t has well and truly hit the fan.

    If it was so obviously coming, how come 150+ countries are in the same boat as us then?


  • #4184
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    Yes, but death rate must be measured against total infected, not total population. Total infected, however, can be measured against total population.

    That needs an antibody test which is not available


  • #4185
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,824 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Honestly, we've had the guts of 3 months to prepare for this. All we had to do was follow to the letter everything China, South Korea and Singapore were doing. We ignored every single lesson from their outbreaks. Lessons around banning travel asap to and from hotspot zones, forced isolation of those coming from hotspots, imposing real lockdowns and maximising testing. Almost 3 months for our government and HSE to take on board those lessons. They failed and pretty much told us "it will never happen here". Guess what, it has happened and now they are going around like headless chickens. Our government and HSE don't do proactive. They always act only when the sh*t has well and truly hit the fan.

    FG throughout their history have been beholden to big business or any business. They wanted money to keep rolling into the country and they don’t want businesses to suffer or miss out. They are a money party. That’s their first priority. They would probably rather see no recession and moderate numbers of ill and dead where the rest of us would rather us, our relatives and friends come out the other side, well and intact with maybe a recession to face and a difficult couple of years, that’s the difference.


  • #4186
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Would not be a surprise if all these celebrity cases of Covid-19 are propaganda , Claire Byrne doing it at the request of Government to show everyone that anyone can get it.

    A lot of them seem to have mild cases except I haven't heard how Tom Hanks is doing?


  • #4187
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    You think its crazy that a national service wasn't set up in a few weeks for a virus that has never been seen before?

    You're hard to please.
    It's called contingency planning, cf Office of Emergency Planning 2016.

    As soon as it hit France (late January) it was only a matter of time for us.

    Gates Foundation, various US universities and others. Carried out pandemic simulations, November 2019, came out at 50M dead, widely publicized and commented upon.

    We see mto be working off a modified ISIS contingency scenario.


  • #4188
    MayoForSam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭MayoForSam


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Are student nurses working without pay?

    My daughter is a first year general nursing student, she was asked by her college to start her delayed placement this week. She decided to do her bit and show up tomorrow but I'm not sure how it will be a normal placement for her, I'm sure she'll be asked to perform additional duties. Not getting paid.


  • #4189
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    antodeco wrote: »
    Are all these people getting tested showing symptoms or just getting tested? I've a massive fear that people are just getting tested to show they don't have it, and then think everything is fine. To understand properly, everyone should be getting tested weekly. A negative now doesn't mean a negative next week

    right now everyone in the country is a hypochondriac and every single person with a sniffle, cough or headache is looking to get tested. i think if you go down the "test, test, test" route the WHO recommends you better be set up for it (with the ability to test and get back results in at least two days) otherwise it could backfire - huge amount of people walking around infected and huge amount of people not bothering go through with it even with significant symptoms, and data that is 7 days old and against the whole point of "test, test, test" (to get good current information of the virus in your country)


  • #4190
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    murpho999 wrote: »
    How is it broken, just because people have to wait.

    Do you see how we're testing more people and it will ramp up. We're testing more than the UK & Netherlands.

    It's not broken, it's not fully up to speed yet and it takes time.

    This does not mean they're not well prepared.
    Also, can you not see how things ramped up rapidly from the start of March?


    Can you not see how we're doing better than Italy or Spain?

    Really people just come on here and just criticise because it's Ireland, or the HSE or the Government.

    It’s very badly broken.

    The only reason you test is so you can contract trace and isolate. People are now getting phone calls telling them they were in contact with a positive case 10+ days ago.

    They’ve potentially been spreading for 10 days.

    Testing is so delayed it’s almost pointless.

    That said I’ve every faith they turn a corner in the next day or two and get on top of it.


  • #4191
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Ce he sin wrote: »
    When the UK government announced their new lockdown measures, they said that this would reduce the number of infections originating from one infected person in one month from about 400 to about 15. That's a big difference, but 15 is still a scary figure.

    This is the graphic I believe.
    Startling isn't it.
    And a bit scary when you think what's gone on the last few weeks


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  • #4192
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    threeball wrote: »
    More info coming out from diamond princess.

    Over 700 were infected.

    50% were asymptomatic, with no symptoms whatsoever.

    Coronavirus was found on some surfaces up to 17 days after the ship was vacated


    So we're looking at high numbers of superspreaders but a high rate of herd immunity based on those findings.

    Iceland has been doing a lot of testing, they're testing everyone whether they show symptoms or not. We might get an idea soon once they have tested a reasonable number of people what percentage have Covid 19.

    It could be that a lot more people have it than we think and therefore immunity (if you indeed become immune after having had it) could be more widespread. It would mean that after relaxing restrictions a comeback for the virus would at least be slower and therefore less impactful on health systems.


  • #4193
    marilynrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Are student nurses working without pay?

    Yes.
    I read a post from a student nurse earlier who has had to give up her part time job in a nursing home due to the risk of cross contamination to do the unpaid work in the hospital.


  • #4194
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    Yes, but death rate must be measured against total infected, not total population. Total infected, however, can be measured against total population.

    Sorry, couldn't figure out how to multi-quote.

    When comparing countries, measuring total infected from country A vs country B would only be applicable if per capita testing was of an equivalent level. When this is not the case, in country comparisons where the healthcare system is roughly equivalent, only the death rate gives you a good indication of the comparative hold of the virus in these nations. death rates are going to be alot more accurate as most people who die with respiratory issues are going to be tested for covid-19


  • #4195
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Honestly, we've had the guts of 3 months to prepare for this. All we had to do was follow to the letter everything China, South Korea and Singapore were doing. We ignored every single lesson from their outbreaks. Lessons around banning travel asap to and from hotspot zones, forced isolation of those coming from hotspots, imposing real lockdowns and maximising testing. Almost 3 months for our government and HSE to take on board those lessons.

    South Korea never banned travel to and from China, even at the height of the Wuhan outbreak. Daegu was never on full lockdown, one could still get the high-speed train there without a major hassle. They termed it a 'special care zone' with a large degree of cooperation from the populace.

    Singapore has had no real lockdown to speak of, just a myriad of technological and social measures to minimise the spread of the virus.


  • #4196
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    threeball wrote: »
    More info coming out from diamond princess.

    Over 700 were infected.

    50% were asymptomatic, with no symptoms whatsoever.

    Coronavirus was found on some surfaces up to 17 days after the ship was vacated


    So we're looking at high numbers of superspreaders but a high rate of herd immunity based on those findings.


    I'm interested in learning more about the virus remaining on some surfaces for 17 days.

    Was the ship cleaned and the surfaces? If so with what cleaning solution? Did the virus remain on surfaces after cleaning? .


    What would ordinary flu be like on living on surfaces?


  • #4197
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,823 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Mike Ashley (Sports Direct) reckons his chain of stores qualify as a vital asset under the new UK rules. Quite a novel take, I doubt it's going to be accepted.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/coronavirus-mike-ashley-keeps-sports-21742586

    Genuinely not sure who'd I support in a battle between Ashley and Johnson, maybe they can both lose.


  • #4198
    freshpopcorn
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  • #4199
    rodDaly69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭rodDaly69


    The One Doctor wrote: »
    Yes, but death rate must be measured against total infected, not total population. Total infected, however, can be measured against total population.
    threeball wrote: »
    More info coming out from diamond princess.

    Over 700 were infected.

    50% were asymptomatic, with no symptoms whatsoever.

    Coronavirus was found on some surfaces up to 17 days after the ship was vacated


    So we're looking at high numbers of superspreaders but a high rate of herd immunity based on those findings.

    Where are you getting this info from? I'd be interested in reading it


  • #4200
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    marilynrr wrote: »
    Yes.
    I read a post from a student nurse earlier who has had to give up her part time job in a nursing home due to the risk of cross contamination to do the unpaid work in the hospital.

    Pipe dream, I know, but would be nice to see the super wealthy in this country help out financially with these young nurses.

    :o


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  • #4201
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    Steve F wrote: »
    This is the graphic I believe.
    Startling isn't it.
    And a bit scary when you think what's gone on the last few weeks
    That graphic doesn't tie in with a 95% reduction in exposure producing 15 more cases in a month (which are the figures quoted by the BBC) though does it?


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