I want a shutdown NOW!

Nermal wrote: »

There are several references , here’s one
In some patients, lung function could decline by about 20 to 30% after recovery," says Dr. Owen Tsang Tak-yin, medical director of the Infectious Diseases Centre at Princess Margaret Hospital in Hong Kong.
Computer tomography have shown fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs, which may get progressively worse as the illness develops.
The findings from Hong Kong confirm very early investigations from Wuhan in early February 2020. In a recent study, scientists from Zhongnam Hospital of Wuhan University analyzed 140 lung scans of COVID-19 patients and found a ground glass opacity in both lungs of each patient.
Suspected pulmonary fibrosis
Further investigations of the recovered COVID-19 patients must now be conducted to show whether they have developed pulmonary fibrosis — scarring in the lungs. Over time, the scar tissue can destroy the normal lung and make it hard for oxygen to get into the blood. Low oxygen levels (and the stiff scar tissue itself) can cause shortness of breath, particularly during physical exertion.
Lung fibrosis cannot be cured because the scarred changes in the lung tissue do not regress. But the progression of pulmonary fibrosis can be delayed and sometimes even stopped if detected in time.

Note this is a bigger study then the 12 patients in hong Kong

But hey , post another silly meme

Totally Tropical wrote: »

You won't have much civil liberties, when you're gasping for air on a ventilator machine.:rolleyes:

I do think there is a balance to be struck in a democratic society , it’s not all black and white

BoatMad wrote: »

I do think there is a balance to be struck in a democratic society , it’s not all black and white

The spread of this disease needs to be stopped at all costs.If people are still oblivious, as to how serious this is, then i don't know what to say.As they say, you'll learn the easy way, or you'll learn the hard way.

Totally Tropical wrote: »

The spread of this disease needs to be stopped at all costs.If people are still oblivious, as to how serious this is, then i don't know what to say.As they say, you'll learn the easy way, or you'll learn the hard way.

I’ll thread a fine line here , ultimately a balance between freedoms and restrictions has to be struck and that balance involves balancing the death rate. We do this every day on the roads , we balance a public good against a quantifiable risk of death. This virus may be with us for a long time, we will have to grapple with the same issues.

At my age , I’m well aware how serious it is

a complete lockdown isnt practical in the long term , ie more then a few weeks.

I’ll thread a fine line here , ultimately a balance between freedoms and restrictions has to be struck and that balance involves balancing the death rate. We do this every day on the roads , we balance a public good against a quantifiable risk of death. This virus may be with us for a long time, we will have to grapple with the same issues.

a complete lockdown isnt practical in the long term , ie more then a few weeks.

Upper respiratory tract infections in the elderly and sick are probably the commonest acute cause of death in the world.

For instance over 60,000 Americans died of the flu in the 2019 flu season and over 80,000 Americans died of the flu during the 2018 flu season. That's in one country.

growleaves wrote: »

Upper respiratory tract infections in the elderly and sick are probably the commonest acute cause of death in the world.

For instance over 60,000 Americans died of the flu in the 2019 flu season and over 80,000 Americans died of the flu during the 2018 flu season. That's in one country.

They died over the course of an entire flu season, the regular flu has a death rate of 0.2% and it spreads really slowly. 6% of people who get this need the hopsital or they will die, and it spreads fast enough that they all need the hospital at the same time. The flu usually has an r0 of around 1.3 while covid19 has an r0 of 2.2 at least. Therefore covid is capable of growing exponentially (and the flu is not capable of growing exponentially at all).

We also have lots and lots of treatments for flu, the only thing we can do with covid if you are critical is keep you hydrated and put you on a ventilator, which we have a lack of, and without which you die. We have no way of fighting the virus, no way to stop you becoming critical, we can fight just its symptoms, we have ways of fighting the flu virus and every year we have a vaccine for the most prolific strain of that year

Do you understand?

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So do we think Ireland will follow or will it be an incremental squeeze on public spaces?

is this a game of Covid-19 trumpcards ?

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

This was being reported last week, so it will be interesting to see what happens here now,

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland-britain/irish-british-pms-pledge-to-align-closely-on-coronavirus-spokesman-idUKKBN2163Y3

We have been doing most of lockdown already

Antwashere1 wrote: »

Seems the advisory team has to meet the advisory team before our government can do anything.
Leadership needed!

Or
Leadership is to get the experts to meet and advise you.
Not react for the sake of it.

There had to be a plan for a lockdown and a plan for when it ends and under what circumstances it ends.

Antwashere1 wrote: »

Seems the advisory team has to meet the advisory team before our government can do anything.
Leadership needed!

Err that’s how good leaders work

Actually worn out from people shouting lockdown about the beaches all day. That is such a small sample of people. Councils will close those and parks now. Non essential retail left then but most have closed anyway.

This would be unfair on the snowflake brigade, they have the right to congratulate. Saturday in Blackrock Village they were all outside the Coffee shop getting their espresso hit.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Not in 1 week 2 weeks whatever, NOW!
While most people are adhering to the health advice you cannot expect the gobshytes like those clowns packing beaches and parks to obey unless they are forced to.
Shutdown NOW.

Anyone that agrees stick your name below.

Would you provide a list of ten things that are currently open that you would shut down?