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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #1892
    jamesf85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭jamesf85


    I have no knowledge on this so anyone that might then please feel free to correct me.

    I've been a little bit confident up until now that we would find some treatment that would work against this. I know that the virus is constantly changing but with the entire world being affected I assumed some scientist somewhere would find a treatment of some form to help our fight with this.

    There were reports that some of the maleria and ebola medicine worked but that seems to be untrue now.

    To be honest I'm very surprised that we have found nothing so far, with what I assume is an unlimited amount of funding now and nearly every scientist working on this.


  • #1893
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,746 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    old_aussie wrote: »
    But it appears to be an undeniable fact that the Chinese, after becoming aware, wore face masks when out in public.

    The Chinese who didn't were harassed by the police to go home or get a mask immediately.

    Most masks will reduce the amount of droplets coming OUT of an infected person, a person who could walking around us that is positive but doesn't know it yet.



    Therefore reducing the rate of spread.

    masks have been commonplace in Asia since SARS


  • #1894
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    old_aussie wrote: »
    The cheap masks will not stop droplets eventually getting in without a filter.

    The Chinese say it's important to stop the majority of droplets leaving the mouth of an unknown positive person who is out in public.
    The Chinese were masks non-stop in winter. Distancing is the thing and if there's a fear that someone could catch a stray droplet they should really stay home themselves.


  • #1895
    jamesf85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭jamesf85


    copperhead wrote: »
    Does anybody know if this virus is mutating,
    Looking at the figures from Italy spain etc and now the UK
    And there seems to a higher mortality rate as compared to China, in Italy there are reports of people in there 30's and 40's dying with no understanding conditions,

    Thta simply isn't true. Italy has had 3 people die in the past week that had no underlying condition. Thats 3 out of a few thousand, less than 0.1%.

    The 4 cases in Ireland so far are all people with serious underlying conditions that would probably have passed away had they caught any flu strain.

    This is very serious but lets stop the misinformation.


  • #1896
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    I have no knowledge on this so anyone that might then please feel free to correct me.

    I've been a little bit confident up until now that we would find some treatment that would work against this. I know that the virus is constantly changing but with the entire world being affected I assumed some scientist somewhere would find a treatment of some form to help our fight with this.

    There were reports that some of the maleria and ebola medicine worked but that seems to be untrue now.

    To be honest I'm very surprised that we have found nothing so far.
    There is research being done, on a lot of current drugs but there's a long way to go.


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  • #1897
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Don'y know if this has been posted but very scary.
    fit healthy 36 year old uk nurse intensive care coronavirus

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus


  • #1898
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I followed the HSE guidelines at all times. Unfortunately, they seem to be absolute bollix now. This advice was not being provided by anyone back then, Italy wasn't even on lock-down back then. (March 14th and 15th). The fact that you have to resort to making stuff up to try and make some point is pathetic.

    we should be going off the best available worldwide advise. The Chinese doctors who arrived in Italy were quite clear. People shouldn't be out walking dogs, roaming the streets. Everyone should remain indoors barring necessity i.e. getting food or medication.

    China has had wuhan on lockdown for months (January) and Italy imposed their quarantine measures on the 9th of March, limiting travel to work and essential services, closed bars and restaurants etc, so I'm not making stuff up the advice you now believe was already there, you on the other hand are being perhaps selective on what you want to now say you believe.


  • #1899
    LillySV
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    Lads here wrongly knocking paddy Cosgrave for offering advice, trying to get other useful contacts to help, as well as rightly criticizing Ireland for being slow to react....fair ****s to him!! Tryin to get this country to improve its response and lessen the damage that will happen. I absolutely hated the man prior to this and all his self importance about his forum... but view totally changed on him now... went through afew of his tweets (from link here as I’m not a twitterer) and he is spot on.

    At least he is tryin to quote and pass on some helpful advice as well as arrange some help for the country by working with useful contacts like huawei

    More than I can say for all the other usual Irish mouthpieces that commandeer the Irish airwaves and television ....

    More helpful than bono writing a song and licking his own arse instead of tryin to help others with all his money


  • #1900
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Italian Mayors losing it compilation - "i will send the police over, with flamethrowers"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJeRgjlLaZk


  • #1901
    old_aussie
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    masks have been commonplace in Asia since SARS

    Yes, that's why masks worked so well in China.

    Masks in Australia are unavailable to the majority of Australians.

    I would wear a mask, if I could get them.


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  • #1902
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Masks do work. Look at the rate of increase in countries where everyone wears a mask:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jperla/status/1241756707375575040/photo/1


  • #1903
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I dont like all this scaremongering that younger people are dropping like flies. Its important not to act like young people are immune, but the stats dont lie, if youre under 60 and have no health conditions, there are a lot of things far more likely to kill you before COVID 19, probably your car ride to work is more likely on a given day,


  • #1904
    mick987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Don'y know if this has been posted but very scary.
    fit healthy 36 year old uk nurse intensive care coronavirus

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus
    I think that lady has died and she was clinically obese, Tragic but did have underlying health issues


  • #1905
    LillySV
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    jamesf85 wrote: »
    Thta simply isn't true. Italy has had 3 people die in the past week that had no underlying condition. Thats 3 out of a few thousand, less than 0.1%.

    The 4 cases in Ireland so far are all people with serious underlying conditions that would probably have passed away had they caught any flu strain.

    This is very serious but lets stop the misinformation.

    What the **** is wrong with people!!! So people with health issues such as asthma deserve to die or what!!? It kills people full stop!!! For that reason everyone needs to take all the steps possible to eliminate this virus !!!

    Young people sent to war years ago... had to stay in wet trenches for months ... rot setting into their bones while they watched their dead friends getting ate by rats.... and here’s our current pack of useless millennials that normally can’t be got out of their house as they on ps4 and on social media... and they now all have to be out and huddled up together ... country is fuct if that’s our future geniuses ....


  • #1906
    wakka12
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    Wonder why Malysia, Indonesia, Phillippines and Thailand appear to be experiencing so much more cases and deaths than other North Asian countries which responded very well and seemed to flatten the curve very effectively very quickly


  • #1907
    Ger Roe
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    I dont like all this scaremongering that younger people are dropping like flies. Its important not to act like young people are immune, but the stats dont lie, if youre under 60 and have no health conditions, there are a lot of things far more likely to kill you before COVID 19, probably your car ride to work is more likely on a given day,

    For now at least... maybe you might be more likely to catch it as the rates ramp up and then can you be absolutely sure that you have no health conditions?
    I didn't know I had a health condition.... until I had a heart attack.


  • #1908
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    With New Zealand the latest country to go into full lockdown is there any particular reason why Ireland is waiting so long, similar with UK


  • #1909
    iwillyeah1234
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    dublin99 wrote: »
    Masks do work. Look at the rate of increase in countries where everyone wears a mask:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jperla/status/1241756707375575040/photo/1

    ETubJIZUEAEo9iF?format=jpg&name=large


  • #1910
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242001658307055616?s=19

    When did he become a health expert and not an IT entrepreneur ? I'm sure haris and the rest of gov that he keeps going at are fed up. What a gob****e

    Why don't you respect the rules of the thread? Attack the post not the poster. Character assassinating someone (albeit via twitter) who is saying basically "might be worth looking at other countries approaches".

    Seen as though this is about him. He donated 1million to the fight. That's a pretty decent gesture. He has actual stake in the problem so probably cares about it more than most.

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/paddy-cosgraves-web-summit-donates-1m-to-help-irish-response-to-coronavirus-crisis-39061671.html

    If he posted a message about Grenfell tower saying "Maybe we should go outside when building is on fire" People on here would say WTF does he know about a burning building. You should clearly remain in place as per guidelines.


  • #1911
    is_that_so
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    The cheap masks will not stop droplets eventually getting in without a filter.

    The Chinese say it's important to stop the majority of droplets leaving the mouth of an unknown positive person who is out in public.

    "Unknown" as in the person has the virus and is positive but they don't know it yet.

    ALSO, if masks were readily available I think many would wear them when out in public.

    Why wouldn't you wear a mask if it reduced the spread so that we have time to locate and test people
    Who says it does? Our advice is that it is not much use.


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  • #1912
    LillySV
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    He's not trying to improve the country's response. He has a chip on his shoulder about the government and this is just another opportunity for him to have a go at them.

    I’ve read a lot of sensible responses from him ... we should be looking closely at how other countries have reduced risk but we don’t seem to be ....


  • #1913
    breadmonster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭breadmonster


    cant even buy a mask anywhere now :(


  • #1914
    Tacitus Kilgore
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    Ninthlife wrote: »
    With New Zealand the latest country to go into full lockdown is there any particular reason why Ireland is waiting so long, similar with UK

    Lack of ability to police it? Im not sure, at this stage its not making much sense. All I know is a lot of workplaces are closing today having had suspected/confirmed cases from staff appear over the weekend.

    Maybe the govt. wants everything to close of its own accord?


  • #1915
    DevilsHaircut
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    jamesf85 wrote: »
    Thta simply isn't true. Italy has had 3 people die in the past week that had no underlying condition. Thats 3 out of a few thousand, less than 0.1%.

    The 4 cases in Ireland so far are all people with serious underlying conditions that would probably have passed away had they caught any flu strain.

    This is very serious but lets stop the misinformation.

    The third death had 'no underlying health issues'.

    Refer to the CMO briefing of 19 March https://www.facebook.com/pg/VirginMediaNews/live_videos/?ref=page_internal


  • #1916
    Rvsmmnps
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭Rvsmmnps


    jamesf85 wrote: »
    Thta simply isn't true. Italy has had 3 people die in the past week that had no underlying condition. Thats 3 out of a few thousand, less than 0.1%.

    The 4 cases in Ireland so far are all people with serious underlying conditions that would probably have passed away had they caught any flu strain.

    This is very serious but lets stop the misinformation.

    Here in Norway 8 deaths as of today. The first 5 deaths had an average age of 89.The government here has set up a group to take charge of the country(democracy gone)


  • #1917
    is_that_so
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    LillySV wrote: »
    I’ve read a lot of sensible responses from him ... we should be looking closely at how other countries have reduced risk but we don’t seem to be ....
    He is a self-absorbed bellend retweeting others, who would just be empty noise on the internet if he was a random person like they rest of us. The Chinese also locked people into their houses according to some reports. The S Koreans went for test, test, test as did Singapore. This is now our route.


  • #1918
    murpho999
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I am not sure HSE have this situation under control. Even before the 'surge', they are way behind on the data. With 40,000 tests ourstanding and 4-5 days of lag, we really have no idea where we stand. I also think the HSE are doing too much media stuff. When you are reporting, you are not working.

    You do realise that the people who are reporting, as in media work, then that's part of their remit.

    If you mean doctors reporting numbers, well that would be part of keeping their medical records and then somebody else would collate the numbers.


  • #1919
    beolight
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Wrong phrase maybe, just called him that as the event was a tech event basically.

    Event organiser is probably a better title. Good at what he does maybe, but public health guru he is not

    He’s raising awareness
    He’s making us think
    He’s doing his bit to try prevent our health services collapsing
    He knows what it’s like trying to deal with this Government
    If there was sufficient masks available at the outset the CMO may have been different
    If there was sufficient tests available at the outset the CMO’s advice would have had a less stringent criteria for testing and more case would have been detected
    All the initial measures and advise were based on lack of resources and to buy time


    Save your anger and ask yourself why there wasn’t sufficent masks PPE, testing kits available? We all seen the pictures coming from China did the HSE/ Minister for Health/CMO think we would be immune?

    Ask yourself why none of our media we’re asking hard questions

    We had time to prepare instead we dithered worrying about effect on economy and now the HSE are scrambling to get supplies: contracts in place. The 24 hour news cycles were waiting for first case and ramping up the anxiety but still Government dithered hiding behind advise of CMO and medical experts

    The CMO and medical experts all knew what was coming these pandemics are all modelled worldwide the only unknown in these models is the R value ( rate of infection). They could safely assume the R value was same as China. Question is when did they share this information with Government?

    The HSE will undoubtedly tell us there hands were tied behind their backs because of budgetary constraints

    Who holds the purse strings ? It’s not Paddy Cosgrove

    How many Healthcare staff have caught the virus in their workplace? And yet the HSE told us there is no shortage of PPE in our hospitals


  • #1920
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Masks do work. Look at the rate of increase in countries where everyone wears a mask:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jperla/status/1241756707375575040/photo/1


    That doesn't necessarily mean that masks work. Are there other factors that might apply?



    Also, were they not wearing masks in China?


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  • #1921
    Ninthlife
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    Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »
    Lack of ability to police it? Im not sure, at this stage its not making much sense. All I know is a lot of workplaces are closing today having had suspected/confirmed cases from staff appear over the weekend.

    Maybe the govt. wants everything to close of its own accord?

    Yesterday showed why its needed.

    I think Leo should have used the momentum of last weeks address to shut down everything

    The longer people are required to mix/travel its gokng to spread and the 40,000 back log isnt good either


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