CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

petes · 23-03-2020 10:29AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I followed the HSE guidelines at all times. Unfortunately, they seem to be absolute bollix now. This advice was not being provided by anyone back then, Italy wasn't even on lock-down back then. (March 14th and 15th). The fact that you have to resort to making stuff up to try and make some point is pathetic.

we should be going off the best available worldwide advise. The Chinese doctors who arrived in Italy were quite clear. People shouldn't be out walking dogs, roaming the streets. Everyone should remain indoors barring necessity i.e. getting food or medication.

Italy went in to lockdown on the 9th.

Macdarack · 23-03-2020 10:29AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Ok I'm one of what you call a gobs**ye but let me explain my day.

We all piled into the car and went to a well know local beach.

The car parks were very busy.

Myself my wife and two of the kids got out of the car, we were out for 5 mins at most, I went for a 200m walk and kept my distance from everyone I could.

There were some groups of young people hanging around together but most of the people there were as individuals, pairs or family units.

From what I could see even though the place was busy there was a good deal of social distancing going on.

So if everyone did like we did, as in got out for 5 mins, stayed apart from others etc then I don't see the problem.

Just because there are a lot of people in a public place/woodland/beach area does not mean that they are ignorant of the dangers, as I said most were keeping their distance.

It's not like a packed club on a Saturday night or a full stand at a sports event.

Oh and we applied hand sanitizer once we got back into the car.

I think that out cry over people heading to beaches etc is an over reaction, I'd be far more worried going into any supermarket which could be a sars cov 2 holding area,thousands of people following the footsteps of the thousands of people before them, yuk. Or the factory workers in close proximity working together. Post offices etc.
Fuuckin do gooders on Facebook getting all brave heart with it.

stephenjmcd · 23-03-2020 10:29AM

lawred2 wrote: »

self appointed expert on everything... makes me shudder

You'd swear he's an expert with the WHO the way he goes on.

Donald Trump · 23-03-2020 10:31AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242001658307055616?s=19

When did he become a health expert and not an IT entrepreneur ? I'm sure haris and the rest of gov that he keeps going at are fed up. What a gob****e

Cosgrave is very good at what he does, but he's an event organiser, not an IT entrepreneur

MrMusician18 · 23-03-2020 10:31AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242001658307055616?s=19

When did he become a health expert and not an IT entrepreneur ? I'm sure haris and the rest of gov that he keeps going at are fed up. What a gob****e

He's not an IT entrepreneur, he's an events manager.

His success with his conference and the fact that the government didn't dance to his tune a few years ago send to make him think that he's an expert in public policy.

mick987 · 23-03-2020 10:32AM

maestroamado wrote: »

I find it very interesting that a guy from the World Health Org. said on radio yesterday that they already have pretty well all of the info on the Virus. He also said that it would normally would take 12/18 Months to have this level of info on any new unknown virus.
I wonder are we being told everything?

Not a chance they are telling us everything

stephenjmcd · 23-03-2020 10:33AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Cosgrave is very good at what he does, but he's an event organiser, not an IT entrepreneur

Wrong phrase maybe, just called him that as the event was a tech event basically.

Event organiser is probably a better title. Good at what he does maybe, but public health guru he is not

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 10:34AM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

The absolute low level of management skills managers in this country have is embarrassing.

I’m quite proud of how serious most people are taking this now. I feel the schools closing was a major turning point in how people behaved.

Unfortunately a minority of people is going to ruin this for everyone. I was in a park yesterday and most people gave far more than the 2m distance. We didn’t go to any beaches etc as we felt they'd be far too busy and don’t want to take any chances.

I feel parks and beaches will be off limit very soon as some people aren’t adhering to rules. It’s easier to close them down and not have to patrol them

old_aussie · 23-03-2020 10:35AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242001658307055616?s=19

When did he become a health expert and not an IT entrepreneur ? I'm sure haris and the rest of gov that he keeps going at are fed up. What a gob****e

But it appears to be an undeniable fact that the Chinese, after becoming aware, wore face masks when out in public.

The Chinese who didn't were harassed by the police to go home or get a mask immediately.

Most masks will reduce the amount of droplets coming OUT of an infected person, a person who could walking around us that is positive but doesn't know it yet.

Therefore reducing the rate of spread.

beolight · 23-03-2020 10:36AM

marilynrr wrote: »

They know because in other countries they have tested people who had no symptoms and some were found to be positive for it!
In Iceland around half of the people who tested positive had no symptoms.

Or are you trying to say that someone may be immune themselves but may still carry it and still be able to spread it?

Not sure what he is trying to say but the point you raised someone being immune but still carrying it ....would be a nice person to find as his immune system would contain the anti body

neonsofa · 23-03-2020 10:36AM

lawred2 wrote: »

why not just wear a badge to show we are serious about it rather than known useless facemasks?

I mean, if the intention is just to show who's serious and who's not..

Also, the people i have seen wearing the masks have been wearing them incorrectly, or been smoking while wearing them pulled down to their chin, or wearing the same mask all day....there is a long list of ways they are using them incorrectly, while also showing that they aren't taking hand hygeine/social distancing etc seriously.

So i wouldnt be using the masks as an indicator at all, i prefer your badge idea!

Donald Trump · 23-03-2020 10:38AM

old_aussie wrote: »

But it appears to be an undeniable fact that the Chinese, after becoming aware, wore face masks when out in public.

The Chinese who didn't were harassed by the police to go home or get a mask immediately.

Most masks will reduce the amount of droplets coming OUT of an infected person, a person who could walking around us that is positive but doesn't know it yet.

Therefore reducing the rate of spread.

I'd imagine that the practical difference is that wearing masks is very common in China anyway. They probably have plenty available for the general population.

We probably don't have supply chains in place here. So we need to make sure that medical people and immuno-compromised people can get access to them and they aren't panic bought and hoarded by others.

stephenjmcd · 23-03-2020 10:38AM

old_aussie wrote: »

But it appears to be an undeniable fact that the Chinese, after becoming aware, wore face masks when out in public.

The Chinese who didn't were harassed by the police to go home or get a mask immediately.

Most masks will reduce the amount of droplets coming OUT of an infected person, a person who could walking around us that is positive but doesn't know it yet.

Therefore reducing the rate of spread.

The Chinese wear masks all the time anyway due to pollution. Most people here wouldn't be able to put one on correctly.

Also I'm not sure we can believe what comes out of china, just look at the numbers coming out of China.

darjeeling · 23-03-2020 10:38AM

copperhead wrote: »

Does anybody know if this virus is mutating,
Looking at the figures from Italy spain etc and now the UK
And there seems to a higher mortality rate as compared to China, in Italy there are reports of people in there 30's and 40's dying with no understanding conditions,

It's mutating all the time, but it's very unlikely that the differences are enough yet that you could catch one form of it and not then be immune to another. i.e. it's most likely still one strain, and will be for quite some time.

Differences in rates of serious illness between countries are most likely either misleading due to differences in how many are being tested and who, or real differences due to how overrun the health system is, and probably differences in national age profiles.

cdgalwegian · 23-03-2020 10:39AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They aren't plentiful in supply. There is no point in using them when most people wouldn't have a clue how to put them on correctly.

Our healthcare staff need the supply more than we do, unless you have the virus it is pointless wearing one.

Yes they are; all health services have huge supplies of them; the FFP3 are in short supply, and cheap surgical masks are much easier to source. It doesn't matter if they are put on incorrectly, as long as they cover your face; it doesn't have to be after a perfect seal, like the FFP3s. It's mainly just to stop touching your face ( the amount of times people do this unintentionally is amazing).

frillyleaf · 23-03-2020 10:40AM

copperhead wrote: »

Does anybody know if this virus is mutating,
Looking at the figures from Italy spain etc and now the UK
And there seems to a higher mortality rate as compared to China, in Italy there are reports of people in there 30's and 40's dying with no understanding conditions,

***I’m not qualified in the area***

I feel that it may affect people from different regions possibly due to this genetic make up. I’m also being very careful as this is a new zoonotic disease so we do not know long term affects and if there are any. The false sense of security people have due to children not being effected is dangerous as some people are being complacent which is dangerous in my opinion

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 10:41AM

old_aussie wrote: »

But it appears to be an undeniable fact that the Chinese, after becoming aware, wore face masks when out in public.

The Chinese who didn't were harassed by the police to go home or get a mask immediately.

Most masks will reduce the amount of droplets coming OUT of an infected person, a person who could walking around us that is positive but doesn't know it yet.

Therefore reducing the rate of spread.

The expert advice we have been given is that they are not much use. I think it's best we go with that over expert internet advice.

thebackbar · 23-03-2020 10:41AM

Can someone help me out with this article
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0322/1124706-italy-new-death-toll/

the last line concerns me

"Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact."

Personally i think this is very dangerous advice ( but I have no medical training). I have heard people quote this line to me, i think a lot of people will read it as we can be in close contact for less that 15 mins and its okay, but after 15mins you can become infected. Surely with any sort of close contact with an infected person i can get infected ?

hawkwing · 23-03-2020 10:42AM

I think they should advise people to not talk unless it is necessary as surely stuff flies out more than when just breathing through your nose.A few hand signals would do for most things and maybe a tambourine or the auld triangle to get urgent attention while letting you keep your mouth shut.

old_aussie · 23-03-2020 10:44AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'd imagine that the practical difference is that wearing masks is very common in China anyway. They probably have plenty available for the general population.

We probably don't have supply chains in place here. So we need to make sure that medical people and immuno-compromised people can get access to them and they aren't panic bought and hoarded by others.

That's why it was an integral part of reducing the spread.

kingshankly · 23-03-2020 10:45AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The expert advice we have been given is that they are not much use. I think it's best we go with that over expert internet advice.

That advice Is to prevent panic if masks wernt any good health care workers wouldn’t be wearing them
Western Europeans are reluctant to wear them for some reason if they prevent you from touching your face then they are worth wearing

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 10:45AM

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Yes they are; all health services have huge supplies of them; the FFP3 are in short supply, and cheap surgical masks are much easier to source. It doesn't matter if they are put on incorrectly, as long as they cover your face; it doesn't have to be after a perfect seal, like the FFP3s. It's mainly just to stop touching your face ( the amount of times people do this unintentionally is amazing).

If you are far enough away you are not at risk of droplets but you should get one if it makes you feel better.

mick987 · 23-03-2020 10:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're not saying they've worked to an extent, you're saying they don't work.

I think the Chinese action have worked up to now, dont know what will happen when they come out of lockdown. Also nobody know the full actions the Chinese took we know some of it but if half the rumours (Welding people into home, Mass incineration are just 2 of thing they are accused of doing) no western country would do.

Valhallapt · 23-03-2020 10:47AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242001658307055616?s=19

When did he become a health expert and not an IT entrepreneur ? I'm sure haris and the rest of gov that he keeps going at are fed up. What a gob****e

I don’t have much time for paddy, but somehow I find myself defending him at this time, he is holding peoples feet to the fire: I thought this summed it up best, when he said:

2008- central bank: banks are adequately capitalised

2020- HSE: front line staff have adequate PPE

Now is the time to shine a very bright light on every part of the state to ensure it is doing everything it can. We can’t just accept what we’re being told from the government.

HSE claim there is enough everything. Many nurses breaking silence and saying that’s not true.

cdgalwegian · 23-03-2020 10:48AM

thebackbar wrote: »

Can someone help me out with this article
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0322/1124706-italy-new-death-toll/

the last line concerns me

"Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact."

Personally i think this is very dangerous advice ( but I have no medical training). I have heard people quote this line to me, i think a lot of people will read it as we can be in close contact for less that 15 mins and its okay, but after 15mins you can become infected. Surely with any sort of close contact with an infected person i can get infected ?

It revolves around viral load. It is calculated that someone at 2 metres is highly at risk if spent 15 mins talking to an infected person. But if the person is coughing, the viral load is deemed much higher because of significantly more droplets.

darjeeling · 23-03-2020 10:48AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

***I’m not qualified in the area***

I feel that it may affect people from different regions possibly due to this genetic make up.

I think that's unlikely.

We've seen the same patterns of disease in China and now in different countries in Europe - the same clinical progression, the lack of disease in children, the same relationship of severity to age, and the same links between underlying conditions and worse outcomes. And no-one's shown any genetic differences between ethnic groups that are likely to have a bearing on the disease.

old_aussie · 23-03-2020 10:48AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The expert advice we have been given is that they are not much use. I think it's best we go with that over expert internet advice.

The cheap masks will not stop droplets eventually getting in without a filter.

The Chinese say it's important to stop the majority of droplets leaving the mouth of an unknown positive person who is out in public.

"Unknown" as in the person has the virus and is positive but they don't know it yet.

ALSO, if masks were readily available I think many would wear them when out in public.

Why wouldn't you wear a mask if it reduced the spread so that we have time to locate and test people

NeonCookies · 23-03-2020 10:48AM

thebackbar wrote:

"Generally, you need to be 15 minutes or more in the vicinity of an infected person, within 1-2 metres, to be considered at-risk or a close contact.

Personally i think this is very dangerous advice ( but I have no medical training). I have heard people quote this line to me, i think a lot of people will read it as we can be in close contact for less that 15 mins and its okay, but after 15mins you can become infected. Surely with any sort of close contact with an infected person i can get infected ?

RTE have been including this line in pretty much every related article for the last few weeks and it's been annoying me too. Right from the beginning it has seemed to be more of an operational definition that the HSE was using to help with close contact tracing rather than based on actual medical risk i.e. it would be impossible for most people to remember everyone they came into contact with over 2 weeks, therefore full tracing would be impossible - give a time limit and most people will be able to give a reliable list of people.

Given the info on how the virus is spreading on surfaces and items, I think RTE should stop including this line

is_that_so · 23-03-2020 10:49AM

kingshankly wrote: »

That advice Is to prevent panic if masks wernt any good health care workers wouldn’t be wearing them
Western Europeans are reluctant to wear them for some reason if they prevent you from touching your face then they are worth wearing

Health workers use specialised masks properly and they are effective in that context. A cheap half a towel on your face is not. Hand hygiene, keep your distance and no face touching is the path we should follow.

Snow Garden · 23-03-2020 10:49AM

I am not sure HSE have this situation under control. Even before the 'surge', they are way behind on the data. With 40,000 tests ourstanding and 4-5 days of lag, we really have no idea where we stand. I also think the HSE are doing too much media stuff. When you are reporting, you are not working.

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