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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #9662
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Far less risk in going for a walk than getting groceries. With social distancing in place (and observed) it's extremely low risk.

    The difference is one is essential, the other is not. It's about mitigation and risk management.


  • #9663
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I am so depressed thinking about what the figure coming out of Italy today willbe . It is heartbreaking seeing the most vulnerable of society just being lost in such incomprehensibly large numbers, with no resources to help them:(


  • #9664
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    Aidan Rancid Shamrock wrote: »
    Interesting statistic


    A rate of 0.05% is indeed so low as not to worry about in the overall scheme of things, but he's plucked this figure out of the air. I wonder if he would like to stand near say the hospital in Bergamo from which the army were drafted in to remove the victims and say it again?


  • #9665
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Lot of people seem to think 'self-isolation' or 'social distancing' means going for a bit of sightseeing and uploading the pics to Instagram. If you're the only person doing this it's harmless obviously, but the problem is when everyone has the same idea - it just makes a mockery of the idea of staying at home and stopping the spread, and next thing you see big bottlenecks at scenic spots etc. Go for a walk by all means but stop treating this like a holiday or a weekend breaK


  • #9666
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    bekker wrote: »
    Testing

    IF 40,000 awaiting tests AND that number includes only those triaged by GP or in hospital or other medical environments, THEN we already have a major problem.

    Assuming a 5% positive rate that's that will be 2,000 to be confirmed. If it turns out to be 0.5% that implies that the triaging in place is not being correctly implemented.

    Please stop fixating on testing numbers, they are a self-selected group who have identified sufficient symptoms to ask a GP to triage them for a test.

    In addition including asymptomatics, and mildish symptomers ~40% of those actually infected will never apply for a test.

    All front-line staff approaching any category of person needs to be provided with the appropriate level of personal protection equipment for the level of risk anticipated. The basic level of risk is that should be assumed is that all close contact with ANYONE is potentially infectious.

    The figure for Health care staff who haven’t travelled indicated this is not case I wonder if there are any journalist who would care to ask this question of the HSE or CMO


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  • #9667
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Are there any countries where this hasnt hit yet? Where normal life is still continuuing?

    No not really. The only ones with no cases are very poor with pretty non-existant medical systems all surrounded by countries with cases, see link and picture below.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/world-map.html

    MvG3c2E.png


  • #9668
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I am so depressed thinking about what the figure coming out of Italy today willbe . It is heartbreaking seeing the most vulnerable of society just being lost in such incomprehensibly large numbers, with no resources to help them:(

    I nearly wish this would take out a few people mouthing off no need to worry only the old are dying.

    Some people will survive but they are already dead inside with no soul.


  • #9669
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Aidan Rancid Shamrock wrote: »
    Interesting statistic

    So what's going on in Italy is just some hysterical overreaction by those poorly trained doctors?

    The best guess is that although official stats say 40,000 cases in Italy, the real number of infected in closer to 400,000. 400,000 is less than 1% of the population of Italy, so whatever the real figure is (and we can debate them all day if you like) no one can deny that this disease has done 1/100th of the damage it could do to the Italian population if left unchecked.

    So as bad as Italy looks, if left unchecked it could be 100 times (not 100%) worst. Imagine those Italian hospitals and multiply the cases by 100.


  • #9670
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I am so depressed thinking about what the figure coming out of Italy today willbe . It is heartbreaking seeing the most vulnerable of society just being lost in such incomprehensibly large numbers, with no resources to help them:(
    I think they will pass China before their peak but the US could well dwarf their numbers.


  • #9671
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Not one for posting rumours but this comes from a very close friend very high up in the HSE in the UK. He has recieved an email from higher ups stating Boris johnson wants to pass emergency bill tomorrow and UK will be on lockdown from Wed. Looks like its 90% going through.
    Might seem legit but I wouldn't believe it until announced.

    A fecking doctor in the HSE sent my friend one of those fake WhatsApps last week.

    Two friends working in food and beverages got warned about the lockdown announcement that never was last Monday here by their managers. :rolleyes:

    People who should know better are being irresponsible idiots.


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  • #9672
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    wakka12 wrote: »
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    Young adults are the major spreaders of COVID 19 in the US. No surprise given the mass exodus to Florida for Spring Break

    Dude your graph gives 9 years for all the other age groups Aand 24 years in one, Of course that one will be higher


  • #9673
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    shesty wrote: »
    That is the point I was making.There are a lot of people announcing the Italian result is inevitable and comparing numbers and times.We have control over the points above and we are doing something about them.Therefore it is not a directly comparable situation.Yet.


    We haven't done anything about the points I have raised.

    If we had control they wouldn't be pending. The new emergency legislation needs to be implemented now.

    785 cases. This will shoot up with more testing.

    The median age is 44. 55% in Dublin. 30% hospitalised. 25% are healthcare workers.

    Some people are behaving as normal - shopping alone is responsible for massive numbers of people gathering and going to the shopping centre at their usual times.

    The UK/NI borders being open is re-importing, re-infecting and undoing any social distancing measures that have been followed.


  • #9674
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    shesty wrote: »
    That is the point I was making.There are a lot of people announcing the Italian result is inevitable and comparing numbers and times.We have control over the points above and we are doing something about them.Therefore it is not a directly comparable situation.Yet.

    Not sure how you've read that post and concluded that we have things in better control


  • #9675
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Dude your graph gives 9 years for all the other age groups Aand 24 years in one, Of course that one will be higher

    Exactly.


  • #9676
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭harr


    This fine weather is not helping things, pissing rain the last 6 months and we couldn’t do anything as soon as we are told to stay in the sun starts shining. Kids here starting to feel the isolation today. Should be out on bikes and playing a game of football.


  • #9677
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    STB. wrote: »
    We haven' done anything about the points I have raised.



    If we had control they wouldn't be pending.



    785 cases. This will shoot up with more testing.


    The median age is 44. 55% in Dublin. 30% hospitalised. 25% are healthcare workers.


    Some people are behaving as normal - shopping alone is responsible for massive numbers of people going to the shopping centre at their usual times.



    The UK/NI borders being open is re-importing, re-infecting and undoing any social distancing measures that have been followed.
    Not sure what point you want to make about shopping. I've seen few behaving normally.


  • #9678
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    The difference is one is essential, the other is not. It's about mitigation and risk management.

    If you want to go above and beyond government guidelines, feel free to do so. Don't criticise people who are already adhering to every rule and being careful though.

    I'm going to continue going for a walk every day alone for as long as it is allowed to do so. I don't stop to talk to anyone, I disinfect before and after.


  • #9679
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,817 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    harr wrote: »
    This fine weather is not helping things

    Hoping sunshine will inhibit transmission (a bit) though...


  • #9680
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Russia to send help to Italy

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-22/russian-army-to-send-coronavirus-help-to-italy-after-putin-phone-call


  • #9681
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    Some of the posters on here need to take a long hard look at themselves with some of the boll1xology they are posting.
    Any bit of good news or optimism and they are straight in to knock peoples hopes and project their doom and bitterness on others.a cross between a doom merchant and a drama queen in the dna make up and they thriving on it.
    The same ones are experts on the health services and practicing social distancing then and it only a new concept.sheep following sheep and they thinking they are the shepherd.afraid to die but afraid to live.
    Drama queens the lot of them.do the people of this great country a favour and go outside and go for a walk and get some fresh air in to ye.bring yere tin foil hats along with the other nonsense Ppe crutches ye have adopted with ye if ye want.
    Any fcuker sneering at another posters optimism should be removed from the thread and only allowed post in a drama queen, doom merchant,idiotic fool section that none of the rest of us can see.
    What a time to be alive

    Some amount of zombies and gowls in these threads alright. Sheep is the word. You'd say some interesting behavioural research should come out of all of this, but we haven't learned anything we didn't know already. People don't think for themselves and are easily led, even into the butcher's yard.


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  • #9682
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not sure what point you want to make about shopping. I've seen few behaving normally.


    People going and doing their shopping like they do every Saturday. In LARGE Numbers. FULL car parks in small shopping centres on TOP of each other.

    Do you understand the point now ?


  • #9683
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Final call - new thread incoming.....


  • #9684
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    jester77 wrote: »
    My local supermarket is also doing that, but not so extreme. An extra 5€ for each additional pack of kitchen roll, toilet paper, etc with the money being donated to charity.

    the only problem with this is...if you are for example shopping for more than one household because they are higher risk than yourself.


  • #9685
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    bekker wrote: »
    Testing

    IF 40,000 awaiting tests AND that number includes only those triaged by GP or in hospital or other medical environments, THEN we already have a major problem.

    Assuming a 5% positive rate that's that will be 2,000 to be confirmed. If it turns out to be 0.5% that implies that the triaging in place is not being correctly implemented.

    Please stop fixating on testing numbers, they are a self-selected group who have identified sufficient symptoms to ask a GP to triage them for a test.

    In addition including asymptomatics, and mildish symptomers ~40% of those actually infected will never apply for a test.

    All front-line staff approaching any category of person needs to be provided with the appropriate level of personal protection equipment for the level of risk anticipated. The basic level of risk that should be assumed is that all close contact with ANYONE is potentially infectious.

    Surely the 40,000 is just people who apply for testing. Personally, as I have said before, the end game is to test everybody. If we could test for antibodies it would be even better, so that the previously infected -- even unknown to themselves - would get back to work.


  • #9686
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Living next door to a Chinese family outside for over an hour pressure washing their car and driveway apart from the noise they are wasting water a resource that is under pressure right now.

    Really selfish bastards.

    Since when is water a resource that's more under pressure than usual? Is this just more scaremongering?


  • #9687
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Living next door to a Chinese family outside for over an hour pressure washing their car and driveway apart from the noise they are wasting water a resource that is under pressure right now.

    Really selfish bastards.

    Is it?

    This would be a good use of pay per use for water, if so.


  • #9688
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    Some amount of zombies and gowls in these threads alright. Sheep is the word. You'd say some interesting behavioural research should come out of all of this, but we haven't learned anything we didn't know already. People don't think for themselves and are easily led, even into the butcher's yard.
    Incredible. Why would a person be more bothered by efforts to stem the spread than the devastating virus itself? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Why would they call following WHO guidelines "being sheep"?

    Narcissism?


  • #9689
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Living next door to a Chinese family outside for over an hour pressure washing their car and driveway apart from the noise they are wasting water a resource that is under pressure right now.

    Really selfish bastards.

    Give over you clown. Stay cooped up watching box sets peering out between the blinds all you like, but let others wash their car FFS.


  • #9690
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Since when is water a resource that's more under pressure than usual? Is this just more scaremongering?

    It was announced by Irish water during the week when washing hands not to leave the tap running. Spraying a driveway is a waste of water.


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  • #9691
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    STB. wrote: »
    People going and doing their shopping like they do every Saturday. In LARGE Numbers. FULL car parks in small shopping centres on TOP of each other.

    Do you understand the point now ?
    Yep, I also understand you're in quite a snot about it! Get out in the sun, like normal people!;)


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