CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Lillyfae · 22-03-2020 02:24PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not one for posting rumours but this comes from a very close friend very high up in the HSE in the UK. He has recieved an email from higher ups stating Boris johnson wants to pass emergency bill tomorrow and UK will be on lockdown from Wed. Looks like its 90% going through.

Ya that sounds like a SUPER reliable source, a friend of a friend in the HSE in the UK....

mick987 · 22-03-2020 02:25PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Well done him.
Your average Brit will hear that, and take that Muslims are the problem from it.

No we won't, we realised that most muslims live in big cities ( London, Birmingham ETC ) and those cities are going to get hammered, But don't let that stop you for saying your average Brit is Raciest.

22-03-2020 02:26PM

I am to be tested as I am unwell, have been really quite unwell with a lung issue in a very poor country over past week. The thing is, I believe this is a very infectious virus that anybody can get. At the moment Ian more mentally active than I would be with an influenza or even a very bad bronchitis etc, as with those I would have a thumping headache, miserable congestion etc. However this infection is a tricky one, your head can feel good, but you have that great muscle weakness and tell-tale pressure in the chest that can suddenly lead to immense breathlessness. It’s a sneaky disease where in ways you can feel quite ok as you don’t have much pain. Because of its nature we need to treat it with the respect it is getting from the authorities.

Good health to all, and keep up the spirits. The sunshine is lovely as I look out the window from my apartment where I’m confined for the foreseeable. Glad to have my cosy comforts here.

STB. · 22-03-2020 02:26PM

shesty wrote: »

The Italy situation is not inevitable here.

Already we are doing things that the Italians didn't, at times that the Italians didn't.

The situation in Italy is now out of control. That's what we don't want.

We have specific influencing matters that we have to deal with and they need to enforced not asked, or we will be fire fighting a health system meltdown, which brings on triaging questions that Italy surgeons have had to implement (ie not treat the elderly and medically unfit).

Proper social distancing. I went for a drive yesterday. The number of cars in car parks outside shopping centres was ridiculous.
Aggressive messaging to young. The median (middle age) right now in Ireland is 44. Kids think they are immune to this they are not. There are 3 doctors in Wales on ventilators, all aged 30.
Proper Equipment for medical profession. Of the total infected 25% of them are medical staff. They don't have the right protection gear.
Closing of Traffic in and out of the Country. The Chinese claim any of their new cases are due to people coming back from foreign jurisdictions. Circular re-infection. The UK right now is a massive problem as people travel freely between Ireland and the UK. Their handling of the situation has been farcical. They will bypass Italy's levels.
NI Border. Because of the UK position that has varied from herd immunity to no proper social distancing enforcement, its clear that NI has been forgotten about. Their case numbers signify little or no testing. We could tackle this during Foot and Mouth, this is a lot more serious.

Leaving this aside, its now evident that many of the cases of transfer are asymptomatic. Not good and the only solution is for everyone to lock themselves away, not something people are willing to do.

jamesf85 · 22-03-2020 02:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're a nasty piece of work. Some of us value elderly and vulnerable loved ones.

I also have elderly loved ones. But I would argue you're also a nasty piece of work. You're putting your ow interests above others.

What about the children that may have no home and a very bleak future after this.

There's two sides to this.

Raconteuse · 22-03-2020 02:26PM

noodler wrote: »

Certainly and apologies.

Apology most unnecessary.

Doctors room ghost · 22-03-2020 02:28PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Jaysus dude, social distancing is just being sheep?

I agree with you on the misery merchants, but please, do not go around saying extreme measures to stem the spread of this devastating virus https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ is people being sheep or tinfoil hattery. It's just irresponsible. Already people are buying into this fallacy by thanking you.

Nonsense. If the sheep were told in the morning not to worry about the big bad carona it would be business as normal with a few whats ap messages thrown in about toilet rolls and bread.
The same clowns going around today in masks and gloves were probably snorting cocaine imported into the country by unknown means,off a pub toilet cistern not 2 weeks ago.
It’s a bandwagon country run for sheep and drama queens

Raconteuse · 22-03-2020 02:29PM

take everything wrote: »

Very tense in this thread.
We need a distraction.

I'll make the sound of a barnyard animal and you all try to guess what it is?

A lady sheep is a goat!

22-03-2020 02:29PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I also have elderly loved ones. But I would argue you're also a nasty piece of work. You're putting your ow interests above others.

What planet are you on? I'm putting the interests of those I care about above mine. Get real.

Then the ludicrous hypothetical argument of fictional children on the street in the future compared to the stark reality of today. Many of us could lose loved ones. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel.

john_doe. · 22-03-2020 02:29PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I also have elderly loved ones. But I would argue you're also a nasty piece of work. You're putting your ow interests above others.

What about the children that may have no home and a very bleak future after this.

There's two sides to this.

Think people are deluded I'f they think this is just effecting eldery, read the below - it seriously messes with ure lungs. No matter what age , u come down bad with this , u could be another death on dailys stats.

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients?utm_campaign=publishtweet&utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&fbclid=IwAR0PWKVN76lzCSsT8TxxWTaHVKAkqdNs5phyt8MtNT2BotMnC4qX-ojZdbA#179875

is_that_so · 22-03-2020 02:29PM

madcabbage wrote: »

I think a lockdown will happen at some point, not just the UK but all countries. More a case of doing it at the right time.

Which is what our team have been saying since the beginning of this. They don't expect to have to do it here but all down to us.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 02:29PM

Almost 300 new cases in Australia today, the province of New South Wales has begun the gradual shut down of all non essential business and services over the next 48 hours.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 02:30PM

Are there any countries where this hasnt hit yet? Where normal life is still continuuing?

TheChizler · 22-03-2020 02:30PM

Gynoid wrote: »

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

Study shows virus detectable in aerosols for up to 3 hours.

Interesting. I wonder how applicable that is to a non-lab environment, with breezes, temperature changes and probably UV.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home wrote:

Aerosols (<5 μm) containing SARS-CoV-2 (105.25 50% tissue-culture infectious dose [TCID50] per milliliter) or SARS-CoV-1 (106.75-7.00 TCID50 per milliliter) were generated with the use of a three-jet Collison nebulizer and fed into a Goldberg drum to create an aerosolized environment.

10000maniacs · 22-03-2020 02:31PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Some of the posters on here need to take a long hard look at themselves with some of the boll1xology they are posting.
Any bit of good news or optimism and they are straight in to knock peoples hopes and project their doom and bitterness on others.a cross between a doom merchant and a drama queen in the dna make up and they thriving on it.
The same ones are experts on the health services and practicing social distancing then and it only a new concept.sheep following sheep and they thinking they are the shepherd.afraid to die but afraid to live.
Drama queens the lot of them.do the people of this great country a favour and go outside and go for a walk and get some fresh air in to ye.bring yere tin foil hats along with the other nonsense Ppe crutches ye have adopted with ye if ye want.
Any fcuker sneering at another posters optimism should be removed from the thread and only allowed post in a drama queen, doom merchant,idiotic fool section that none of the rest of us can see.
What a time to be alive

I am not going to apologise for pointing out that giving out to people for not self isolating is the right thing to do. Forget about the fresh air, stay inside and leave the house only to get food or medication. Open a window for your fresh air. You will realise this time in two weeks that maybe it will have saved lives. Possibly your own.

mick987 · 22-03-2020 02:31PM

jamesf85 wrote: »

I also have elderly loved ones. But I would argue you're also a nasty piece of work. You're putting your ow interests above others.

What about the children that may have no home and a very bleak future after this.

There's two sides to this.

Why will a child not have a home after this, if anything they should be more homes available

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 22-03-2020 02:31PM

Interesting statistic

We are warned of supposedly devastating death rates. But at least one expert, John Ioannidis, is not so sure. He is Professor of Medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University in California. He says the data are utterly unreliable because so many cases are going unrecorded.

He warns: ‘This evidence fiasco creates tremendous uncertainty about the risk of dying from Covid-19. Reported case fatality rates, like the official 3.4 per cent rate from the World Health Organisation, cause horror and are meaningless.’ In only one place – aboard the cruise ship Diamond Princess – has an entire closed community been available for study. And the death rate there – just one per cent – is distorted because so many of those aboard were elderly. The real rate, adjusted for a wide age range, could be as low as 0.05 per cent and as high as one per cent.

As Prof Ioannidis says: ‘That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05 per cent is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational

Raconteuse · 22-03-2020 02:32PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Nonsense. If the sheep were told in the morning not to worry about the big bad carona it would be business as normal with a few whats ap messages thrown in about toilet rolls and bread.
The same clowns going around today in masks and gloves were probably snorting cocaine imported into the country by unknown means,off a pub toilet cistern not 2 weeks ago.
It’s a bandwagon country run for sheep and drama queens

****ing hell. Practising this measure to prevent the spread of this appalling illness is just being sheep.

A sarcastic "big bad" too about an illness which claimed nearly 800 lives in Italy yesterday, and not even the correct spelling of the virus that's been in the news for months.

It's so worrying when there are actually views like that.

CinemaGuy45 · 22-03-2020 02:33PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Not one for posting rumours but this comes from a very close friend very high up in the HSE in the UK. He has recieved an email from higher ups stating Boris johnson wants to pass emergency bill tomorrow and UK will be on lockdown from Wed. Looks like its 90% going through.

The HSE in the UK ok this post is total BOLOX

Tea drinker · 22-03-2020 02:33PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I am not going to apologise for pointing out that giving out to people for not self isolating is the right thing to do. F**k the fresh air, stay inside and leave the house only to get food or medication. Open a window for your fresh air. You will realise this time in two weeks that maybe it will have saved lives. Possibly your own.

Far less risk in going for a walk than getting groceries. With social distancing in place (and observed) it's extremely low risk.
(not that I agree with Doctor Room Ghost)

shesty · 22-03-2020 02:33PM

STB. wrote: »

The situation in Italy is now out of control. That's what we don't want.

We have specific influencing matters that we have to deal with and they need to enforced not asked, or we will be fire fighting a health system meltdown, which brings on triaging questions that Italy surgeons have had to implement (ie not treat the elderly and medically unfit).
Proper social distancing. I went for a drive yesterday. The number of cars in car parks outside shopping centres was ridiculous.

Aggressive messaging to young. The median (middle age) right now in Ireland is 44. Kids think they are immune to this they are not. There are 3 doctors in Wales on ventilators, all aged 30.

Proper Equipment for medical profession. Of the total infected 25% of them are medical staff. They don't have the right protection gear.

Closing of Traffic in and out of the Country. The Chinese claim any of their new cases are due to people coming back from foreign jurisdictions. Circular re-infection. The UK right now is a massive problem as people travel freely between Ireland and the UK. Their handling of the situation has been farcical. They will bypass Italy's levels.

NI Border. Because of the UK position that has varied from herd immunity to no proper social distancing enforcement, its clear that NI has been forgotten about. Their case numbers signify little or no testing. We could tackle this during Foot and Mouth, this is a lot more serious.

Leaving this aside, its now evident that many of the cases of transfer are asymptomatic. Not good and the only solution is for everyone to lock themselves away, not something people are willing to do.

That is the point I was making.There are a lot of people announcing the Italian result is inevitable and comparing numbers and times.We have control over the points above and we are doing something about them.Therefore it is not a directly comparable situation.Yet.

AllGunsBlazing · 22-03-2020 02:33PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Almost 300 new cases in Australia today, the province of New South Wales has begun the gradual shut down of all non essential business and services over the next 48 hours.

People were jamming the beaches over the weekend. No sense.

Lashes28 · 22-03-2020 02:34PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/epelboin/status/1241652819792461824

Police entertaining those in quarantine. Wonder if the gardai will do the Riverdance here?? ðŸ€£

Achasanai · 22-03-2020 02:35PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Are there any countries where this hasnt hit yet? Where normal life is still continuuing?

I'd be suspicious of countries that claim that they don't have it. I suppose if you're not testing you can claim 0%. I don't think North Korea have reported any cases, for example.

Strazdas · 22-03-2020 02:35PM

Aidan Rancid Shamrock wrote: »

Interesting statistic

I wouldn't listen to that guy. Far better to be safe than sorry. You'll always get a maverick scientist going against the grain.

Raconteuse · 22-03-2020 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am to be tested as I am unwell, have been really quite unwell with a lung issue in a very poor country over past week. The thing is, I believe this is a very infectious virus that anybody can get. At the moment Ian more mentally active than I would be with an influenza or even a very bad bronchitis etc, as with those I would have a thumping headache, miserable congestion etc. However this infection is a tricky one, your head can feel good, but you have that great muscle weakness and tell-tale pressure in the chest that can suddenly lead to immense breathlessness. It’s a sneaky disease where in ways you can feel quite ok as you don’t have much pain. Because of its nature we need to treat it with the respect it is getting from the authorities.

Good health to all, and keep up the spirits. The sunshine is lovely as I look out the window from my apartment where I’m confined for the foreseeable. Glad to have my cosy comforts here.

I am just saddened by people saying this is over hyped and are more bothered by vigilance than by the disease. They'll cause such damage.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 02:35PM

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Young adults are the major spreaders of COVID 19 in the US. No surprise given the mass exodus to Florida for Spring Break

22-03-2020 02:36PM

Blueshoe wrote: »

Do you think in a back room somewhere the taoiseach and all of his advisors have met and someone has said we can't shut down the economy. The virus won't last forever and there will be a much bigger problem afterwards.
Do you think someone might have said letting more people become sick and more dieing is a smaller price in the long run.
The good of many over the few. It's not unheard of and is part of human nature in a way.

Back to your normal self I see.

Come back to us with this if your parents end up dead and tell us it was worth it.

bekker · 22-03-2020 02:36PM

Testing

IF 40,000 awaiting tests AND that number includes only those triaged by GP or in hospital or other medical environments, THEN we already have a major problem.

Assuming a 5% positive rate that's that will be 2,000 to be confirmed. If it turns out to be 0.5% that implies that the triaging in place is not being correctly implemented.

Please stop fixating on testing numbers, they are a self-selected group who have identified sufficient symptoms to ask a GP to triage them for a test.

In addition including asymptomatics, and mildish symptomers ~40% of those actually infected will never apply for a test.

All front-line staff approaching any category of person needs to be provided with the appropriate level of personal protection equipment for the level of risk anticipated. The basic level of risk that should be assumed is that all close contact with ANYONE is potentially infectious.

is_that_so · 22-03-2020 02:36PM

Aidan Rancid Shamrock wrote: »

Interesting statistic

Sure, we can wait until we get good data to see if he's right. Can't beat cold statistics for telling you something is off. People like him may be right but they are not the ones tasked with dealing with it.

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