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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #9542
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I wish somebody would tell Paddy Cosgrave. :pac: His constant grousing about the Irish government is most undignified.
    Glad to say I've avoided that particular plonkiness.

    How you doing ODB? Must be extra worrying for people with cancer.


  • #9543
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    citysights wrote: »
    Well giving everyone panic attacks over social media by saying things like the Italy situation is inevitable here is clearly unhelpful. Better for people to be coming up with solutions to mitigate an Italy situation here. And some people here are good thinkers and have made good suggestions like one this morning about getting shopping for elderly , keeping them right out of shop, get making masks here too young can do it, deliver shopping to elderly, wash the streets, like they did in Wuhan, all hands on deck.


    Look what women did during world war 2 when the men were away, drove trucks, did mens work, reared children, lived on rations. I came through 08 recession, lost loads so know hardship, as do loads of other people. We have to stay strong and that begins with a positive survivalist mental attitude and cooperating with everyone. Sorry for long post, but it needs to be said imo.

    I didn't say an out of control Italian like situation where the army are bringing bodies en masses to crematoriums was inevitable.

    We have been told over and over again that infections will rise rapidly by the government, medical spokespersons and from looking at other countries. It's going to happen.
    There is a difference between panic and acceptance. Obviously

    Panic is pointless. Don't panic. Just be ready for the bad news.
    We will get through it though. Guaranteed


  • #9544
    beolight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭beolight


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not necessarily, the number went to 12 in the last briefing, briefing stats on covid that we get daily are at least 2 days behind. We were steady at 6 for a good few days.

    The only up to date number we get given daily is test cases confirmed.

    It's gone from 6 to 29 in the space of about 10 days.

    Wouldn't be surprised if that 29 included the 14 that tested positive from a nursing home. Would account for the quick rise.

    Can’t see any of those 14 being transferred from the Nursing Home. Isolation room within the Nursing Home most likely

    Remember our CMO forced a lot of Nursing Homes to reverse their earlier decision to close Nursing Homes to visitors I think in the end only HSE runs Nursing Homes obeyed this.

    I’m hoping when all this dies down that a clear and unambiguous disaster plan emerges and is distributed to all relevant parties (not left to gather dust in the offices of some of the HSE adminstratort) so that if and when another virus emerges everybody knows what to do from the start


  • #9545
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    I find it reassuring that people were planning for this, but disappointing that the governments of world hadn’t invested enough resources to it.
    Chinese people travel more than they used to when there was an outbreak of SARS. If you would wargame this like governments do you would see that another pandemic is inevitable and it can only get worse.


  • #9546
    Heckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Car driving around Cork southside with a megaphone at the moment saying the rosary. Maybe comfort to older citizens. Be better telling young people to stay home how and ever..My elderly mother and her sister have wrapped up after 6 days not stepping outside the house for a walk around the Lough. Shes very social distancing clued in. She knows a dose could be the end of her but for her sanity she had to get out even for a little bit.


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  • #9547
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Glad to say I've avoided that particular plonkiness.

    How you doing ODB? Must be extra worrying for people with cancer.

    Weirdly I think this has been less of a shock for me and others in the land of the ill than for the well. I’m pretty adept at self-isolating because of physical limitations and former periods of being severely immunocompromised.

    I honestly think this whole thing must be way harder to deal with psychologically if you’re in full health and full of beans.


  • #9548
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    French are a very tactile nation, they greet each other by kissing on both cheeks, that surely must account for some of the spread. Also from my experience smoking appears to be much more common in France (although I haven’t been there in a few years but I’d imagine it hasn’t changed that much since then)

    France is very "diverse" now. Little social cohesion. Not as one nation.


  • #9549
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    citysights wrote: »
    Well giving everyone panic attacks over social media by saying things like the Italy situation is inevitable here is clearly unhelpful. Better for people to be coming up with solutions to mitigate an Italy situation here. And some people here are good thinkers and have made good suggestions like one this morning about getting shopping for elderly , keeping them right out of shop, get making masks here too young can do it, deliver shopping to elderly, wash the streets, like they did in Wuhan, all hands on deck.


    Look what women did during world war 2 when the men were away, drove trucks, did mens work, reared children, lived on rations. I came through 08 recession, lost loads so know hardship, as do loads of other people. We have to stay strong and that begins with a positive survivalist mental attitude and cooperating with everyone. Sorry for long post, but it needs to be said imo.

    The Italy situation is not inevitable here.

    Already we are doing things that the Italians didn't, at times that the Italians didn't.

    Constant blank comparisons of numbers are all well and good but as with all statistics, they do not exist in 2 closed identical systems and need to be looked at in that context.

    The numbers are being produced in 2 systems (ie, 2 separate countries) that have many variants......such as the points in time along the curve that social distancing started at in each country, the different cultural norms(such as greater elderly population innitaly, kissing each other in the cheek, pubs, etc) and the like.
    The Italian situation is an indication of how things COULD go in certain situations, but it is not a guarantee that things WILL go that way


  • #9550
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    When the sun is out the streets are full like nothing is happening. No distancing whatsoever. Once morgue videos leak from major hospitals they will start following the advice.

    Unfortunately by then it will be too late for many of them. There needs to be a severe 3 - 4 week lockdown implemented, at least in Dublin and Cork.


  • #9551
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Ireland is kill? :confused:
    Why would people be any worse here than any other western country with showering facilities in every home, hot water, easy access to soap, disinfectant....

    If you’ve ever been a “chief mourner” at an Irish funeral you’ll know well how filthy people can be.

    To be honest, I think we need to lay off children. From their perspective, they’re being punished for something that they didn’t cause and won’t affect them.

    Re: supermarkets, older “ladies” need to stop dragging their husbands with them to stand around or push a trolley, and I shouldn’t have to tell them to keep their distance from me. I’m having little sympathy for the older generation the last few days. Almost had to run to get out of the way of 4 of them abreast barreling towards me and my 3 year old this morning in the park. I’m not keeping out of the way for our safety ffs.


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  • #9552
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Of course what greatly increases the chance of an Italy situation is the absolute cuntts who are scooching up to each other.


  • #9553
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Alot on here believing what they want to and in denial . Social distancing of 2 meters isn't going to do much. We have people out in large groups. We aren't going to escape this. I don't see how we aren't hit as badly as Italy. The Latin cultures kissing/greeting is just a belief system many have formulating for some hope but it won't make any difference. 40,000 waiting to be tested says it all. 173 available beds in ICU. The numbers don't lie


  • #9554
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    In S Korea they use mobile phone location information for contact tracing.

    South Korea is tracking individuals' phones and creating a publicly available map to allow other citizens to check whether they may have crossed paths with any coronavirus patients.
    That is efficiency.
    SMS alert informing you that you shared a train car with someone that tested positive, recommendation: self-isolate.


    Bureaucratic systems and privacy concerns here mean that's not going to happen.
    Instead we'll stick with blind leading the blind.


  • #9555
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    bekker wrote: »
    'They found that COVID-19 was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper and up to 24 hours on cardboard. The new coronavirus can also last up to three days on plastic and stainless steel, the scientists concluded, adding the amount of the virus left on those surfaces decreases over time. Aerosols are solid or liquid particles that hang in the air, including fog, dust, and gas commonly used in medical procedures like ventilation and nebulizers.'

    US National Institutes of Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, UCLA and Princeton University
    {emphasis added, thanks to Gynoid original poster of link}
    Copper has antiseptic properties, it's also expensive. 3 days for most surfaces sounds correct.


  • #9556
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    If you’ve ever been a “chief mourner” at an Irish funeral you’ll know well how filthy people can be.
    In what sense? And is it just an Irish thing?

    "Ireland is kill" - yeah we were all dropping like flies from hygiene related conditions.

    The stuff people come out with...


  • #9557
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    shesty wrote: »
    The Italy situation is not inevitable here.

    Already we are doing things that the Italians didn't, at times that the Italians didn't.

    Constant blank comparisons of numbers are all well and good but as with all statistics, they do not exist in 2 closed identical systems and need to be looked at in that context.

    The numbers are being produced in 2 systems (ie, 2 separate countries) that have many variants......such as the points in time along the curve that social distancing started at in each country, the different cultural norms(such as greater elderly population innitaly, kissing each other in the cheek, pubs, etc) and the like.
    The Italian situation is an indication of how things COULD go in certain situations, but it is not a guarantee that things WILL go that way

    Spain is on course to be worse than Italy. In another week to 10 days so will the UK and the USA.


  • #9558
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,613 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Herd immunity was SUCH a great idea UK :rolleyes:


  • #9559
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Unfortunately by then it will be too late for many of them. There needs to be a severe 3 - 4 week lockdown implemented, at least in Dublin and Cork.

    There is nothing to be lost at this stage by following this strategy , the economy is essentially shut down at this stage and people expect it , it could save many lives.


  • #9560
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    Nasty side to humanity very often seen in these ridiculous threads. No doubt a lot of ye are only a few days off turning into vigilante squads roaming the streets.


  • #9561
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Of course what greatly increases the chance of an Italy situation is the absolute cuntts who are scooching up to each other.

    PDA should be a jailable offence.


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  • #9562
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    In what sense? And is it just an Irish thing?

    Handshaking. You’ll be so filthy by the time you’re finished that you’ll want decontamination. Don’t know if it’s an Irish thing as I’ve never been a chief mourner anywhere else.


  • #9563
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    They're doing it now.

    They've blocked all roads into glendalough this morning and shut everything down

    They are closing the amenity to all instead of stopping the offenders.


  • #9564
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    I heard on the UK radio that Muslims make up 2% of British population but 25% of Coronavirus cases! The presenter, raised a Muslim himself, compared it to the Italians (he has an Italian wife) and the very close family culture, visiting elder relatives very frequently and closely etc.


  • #9565
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Unfortunately by then it will be too late for many of them. There needs to be a severe 3 - 4 week lockdown implemented, at least in Dublin and Cork.

    Give it a rest, every single one of your points is about a lockdown.

    I've been out and about, being socially distant from people and seeing a large compliance.

    Yes we've had idiots up the mountains and not keeping distance but let's not paint everyone worn the same brush

    People complain about people being out walking down a seafront for example, theres nothing wrong with that if they're in the same family, no symptoms and stick to their own group.

    Just because people leave the house doesn't mean they aren't conscious


  • #9566
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,019 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    Nasty side to humanity very often seen in these ridiculous threads. No doubt a lot of ye are only a few days off turning into vigilante squads roaming the streets.

    Not taking the pub closure well perrito.


  • #9567
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Herd immunity was SUCH a great idea UK :rolleyes:

    Go listen to Varadkar's speech on the 9th March- expects 60% of the population infected, 3% fatality rate. That's the 'herd immunity' approach, here in Ireland announced by Leo.

    Strangely though, even though the UK have officially changed their policy based on the Imperial College report of the 16th March, there has been no official announcement that we have done the same.

    In fact many of the day to day announcements would suggest Ireland is currently following the 'herd immunity'/mitigation/'flatten the curve' approach.


  • #9568
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    is_that_so wrote: »
    According to Paul Reid they are not, it's a distribution issue. An order of 210m PPE items has been placed in China.

    If a distribution issue is affecting people on the frontline from being equipped with PPE there is a shortage issue. They may have loads of stock but if they are not getting to the staff that need them this is an issue.

    It doesn’t matter if it’s due to numbers or to distribution - the end result is still the same - some staff do not have them hence there is a shortage. This is happening not particularly to people in hospital but with other care workers coming into contact with people - they don’t have enough PPE


  • #9569
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    40,000 people in Ireland waiting to be tested.
    Wow

    But hey, doing better than the Brits!


  • #9570
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Discodog wrote: »
    They are closing the amenity to all instead of stopping the offenders.

    Yeah, it's the few that dont obey the rules that ruin it for everyone


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  • #9571
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Alot on here believing what they want to and in denial . Social distancing of 2 meters isn't going to do much. We have people out in large groups. We aren't going to escape this. I don't see how we aren't hit as badly as Italy. The Latin cultures kissing/greeting is just a belief system many have formulating for some hope but it won't make any difference. 40,000 waiting to be tested says it all. 173 available beds in ICU. The numbers don't lie
    There are certainly people in denial, but just querying claims that it's inevitable we will have an Italy situation here in terms of deaths - that's not denial.

    The gimps going on about government oppression are appalling (and should be banned - irresponsible to give them a platform in this situation). The selfish types are dreadful too.

    But posting "such and such horrendous thing "will" happen" is also unhelpful.


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