CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

DOCARCH · 22-03-2020 09:20AM

voluntary wrote: »

I was thinking, US must be an especially dangerous place to be in an epidemic like situation. Stress levels in the society hit extreme levels, many people will not handle this well and people have guns!

It was reported here, a couple of threads back, that sale of guns in the US has sky-rocketed in the last few weeks!

trumptheman · 22-03-2020 09:22AM

voluntary wrote: »

I was thinking, US must be an especially dangerous place to be in an epidemic like situation. Stress levels in the society hit extreme levels, many people will not handle this well and people have guns!

Lets just say it could get crazy if people have no money to feed their family after been laid off. They could get very in your face looking for stuff.

Or even knocking on apartment door. Could come to the door visibly strapped as well and nothing could be done unless they actually withdraw it and threaten you with it and that would be impossible to prove.

silverharp · 22-03-2020 09:23AM

voluntary wrote: »

I was thinking, US must be an especially dangerous place to be in an epidemic like situation. Stress levels in the society hit extreme levels, many people will not handle this well and people have guns!

I don't think guns per say are the problem , more that certain demographics think looting is a good idea in such times. Businesses are starting to board up

voluntary · 22-03-2020 09:25AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Russia is sending medical teams and few tons of material and equipment needed to Italy. That is a very good news as they need all the help they can get.

EU solidarity is oxymoron - it actually looks like "everyone for themselves" in time of crisis. Germans confiscated every material which may be used to fight this crisis and other countries are doing the same.
Very shameful story which we will hardly find in any eu media happened in Czech Republic where they confiscated help which was sent from China and was supposed to go to Italy. Czech government boasted that they stopped criminals from exporting their own material abroad but one investigative journalist and nonprofit agency exposed this lie when they released pictures of boxes with description in chinese and italian.

Now we can watch real politics in front of our eyes. I understand that every government wants to protect their own citizens but stuff like this is on whole another level.

We have production lines in the State which could be temporarily shifted to produce PPE like masks, gloves, hand sanitisers etc. Some producers already do so on their own initiative. I feel like we lack the coordination on a State level to do it properly. I look at some other countries and see how they mobilize the shift of production outputs on a large scale. One example would be hand sanitizers, scarce in every country few weeks ago. Still scarce in Ireland while back on shelf and cheap as mineral water now (as cheap as 3 EUR per liter) in other countries where manufacturing quickly shifted focus. There's a lot of businesses who could do it here too but what we see is mostly inaction.

Darc19 · 22-03-2020 09:27AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Could you provide a creditable source for that investigation?

These stories are always very different from what many people report because those posters tend to believe what is said on fakebook

The real story is that export from their countries was indeed restricted as the product was either manufactured there or had been imported by a company located there.

As their own citizens rightly have priority, they told the companies that export was not permitted

But no "trans shipping" through a country was stopped

https://euobserver.com/coronavirus/147659

Bob24 · 22-03-2020 09:27AM

silverharp wrote: »

I don't think guns per say are the problem , more that certain demographics think looting is a good idea in such times. Businesses are starting to board up

You are right. But I wouldn’t say I am super confident about how things will go here either if we have a full lockdown. We all remember the Lidl thing during the storm.

silverharp · 22-03-2020 09:27AM

hopefully this crises will scare a lot of people into improving their diets and fitness levels

https://twitter.com/DikemanDave/status/1241632062013968385

voluntary · 22-03-2020 09:27AM

Irish_peppa wrote: »

Is it true that up to 60 to 80 percent of people will get this one way or another in the next year or so? Its not if its when, thus aall we can do is stem the flow?:eek:

No. It's just a modeling. If you could lock every single person on the island for 14 days at home and shut the borders then the virus would disappear.

TheQuietBeatle · 22-03-2020 09:29AM

Andrew00 wrote: »

Thousands in this country have already contracted COVID19 and recovered

The amount of people experiencing shortness of breath over past 2 weeks including myself is unreal

And did you get tested?

amadangomor · 22-03-2020 09:34AM

voluntary wrote: »

No. It's just a modeling. If you could lock every single person on the island for 14 days at home and shut the borders then the virus would disappear.

What happens when we open the borders again? I suppose we would be a bit closer to a vaccine but we cannot shut the borders for 18 months.

Will be interesting on how China handles this aspect. They will want to get trade flowing but most of their population are still vulnerable to the virus.

Say my name · 22-03-2020 09:36AM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Already tried and tested in the US! The virus got into a couple of nursing homes and there were multiple deaths. For those who don't die, the older you are, it can be a long battle to recover.

Just to say I might know a few people who seem to have got it at a family event 4 weeks ago in this country. They didn't know they got it at the time. One in their 70's got a dry cough for roughly 10 days. One in their 80's felt fatigued/tired for two days. One in their 30's got a sore throat for two days and another in their 30's developed no symptoms. They weren't tested/ tested positive but someone else (a few) who were at this family gathering were since tested positive. That was only disclosed lately and then people backtracked on what occurred to them after the event.

macnug · 22-03-2020 09:38AM

silverharp wrote: »

hopefully this crises will scare a lot of people into improving their diets and fitness levels

https://twitter.com/DikemanDave/status/1241632062013968385

I dont know why they are not saying this more, obesity is a big risk factor imo. Larger mass = more oxygen requirement yet lungs are the same size. You also have the comorbidities that come with it, hypertension, diabetes etc. I had a cousin that was very obese who died from a kidney infection in her 40's. If you dont look after your weight you can die from (usually) benign conditions.

Bunny Colvin · 22-03-2020 09:38AM

I'm in a WhatsApp group where some people are still quoting the number of deaths from flu per year. They're even throwing up deaths from poverty and C02 emissions. Basically their point is that this is all scaremongering. I give up.

amadangomor · 22-03-2020 09:38AM

silverharp wrote: »

hopefully this crises will scare a lot of people into improving their diets and fitness levels

https://twitter.com/DikemanDave/status/1241632062013968385

Some of the young girls at work eat desperately.

Crisps in their rolls washed down with Monster energy drink and a chocolate bar to finish. Hardly any fruit or veg. Out for a fag after lunch.

You would think that someone ingesting that everyday would be vulnerable no matter the age.

trumptheman · 22-03-2020 09:40AM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

I'm in a WhatsApp group where some people are still quoting the number of deaths from flu per year. They're even throwing up deaths from poverty and C02 emissions. Basically their point is that this is all scaremongering. I give up.

Never argue with idiots, ull never win!

voluntary · 22-03-2020 09:42AM

amadangomor wrote: »

What happens when we open the borders again? I suppose we would be a bit closer to a vaccine but we cannot shut the borders for 18 months.

Will be interesting on how China handles this aspect. They will want to get trade flowing but most of their population are still vulnerable to the virus.

It's a compromise between economic prosperity and public health/saving lives. Various governments around the world act differently. Our government is like 50/50 with still a lot of focus on businesses while maintaining some safety measures. UK is clearly on the economic side focus, while countries like Poland or Czech are more focused on the safety side.

I don't know what approach is better long term but personally would prefer to suffer economically for a while but go into full lockdown to save lives.

amadangomor · 22-03-2020 09:44AM

trumptheman wrote: »

Never argue with idiots, ull never win!

Not a go at you ttm but learned this lesson while debating a Trump supporter on Facebook. People only hear what they want to hear, there is no debate/argument anymore. People retreat back into their echo chamber to reassure themselves of their views.

Someone could put up a health message about social distancing and get a handful of likes on facebook but another put one up about 5G causing the virus and get dozens of likes, people really are stupid.

Bunny Colvin · 22-03-2020 09:45AM

trumptheman wrote: »

Never argue with idiots, ull never win!

The problem is that their attitudes could have serious consequences for the rest of us. But you're right, I'm done arguing with people like that. It's just amazing how some can still see it like that given the statistics and information that's being shared.

citysights · 22-03-2020 09:46AM

voluntary wrote: »

We have production lines in the State which could be temporarily shifted to produce PPE like masks, gloves, hand sanitisers etc. Some producers already do so on their own initiative. I feel like we lack the coordination on a State level to do it properly. I look at some other countries and see how they mobilize the shift of production outputs on a large scale. One example would be hand sanitizers, scarce in every country few weeks ago. Still scarce in Ireland while back on shelf and cheap as mineral water now (as cheap as 3 EUR per liter) in other countries where manufacturing quickly shifted focus. There's a lot of businesses who could do it here too but what we see is mostly inaction.

Have you not heard that Irish distillers are going to make hand sanitizer it was in the news about two days ago. I’d agree we could make more masks gloves here etc. I think they make gloves in Limerick for export not sure about home market. These are such terrible times and all hands on deck are needed, we are a small country I think we’d even need to get people over sixteen into factories making masks, shopping for elderly etc and the give them leaving cert credit for this.
Edit some people are still very focused on money here, but there are some extremely wealthy people who could help to bring us back from the brink

marklazarcovic · 22-03-2020 09:47AM

Christ,this morning in salthill Galway

Sorry, Friday

voluntary · 22-03-2020 09:49AM

citysights wrote: »

Have you not heard that Irish distillers are going to make hand sanitizer it was in the news about two days ago. I’d agree we could make more masks gloves here etc. I think they make gloves in Limerick for export not sure about home market. These are such terrible times and all hands on deck are needed, we are a small country I think we’d even need to get people over sixteen into factories making masks, shopping for elderly etc and the give them leaving cert credit for this.

Way too little and too late in my opinion.

wadacrack · 22-03-2020 09:50AM

silverharp wrote: »

hopefully this crises will scare a lot of people into improving their diets and fitness levels

https://twitter.com/DikemanDave/status/1241632062013968385

The silence round this has been deafening. Been said by a few experts but has been left out. An Italian doctpr stated the number one factor was obesity. Time for people to wake up to this start to lose weight and eat a healthier diet

trumptheman · 22-03-2020 09:51AM

Bunny Colvin wrote: »

The problem is that their attitudes could have serious consequences for the rest of us. But you're right, I'm done arguing with people like that. It's just amazing how some can still see it like that given the statistics and information that's being shared.

All you can post is 7% death rate in Italy and 0.1% from normal flu.

If they can't get that through their thick heads then their just idiots.

I think i'm right with the 7%?

Flippyfloppy · 22-03-2020 09:52AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

The alternative is all that dirt lands on the person serving you

That's obvious. If you read my post I stated that it's a positive step. I do recommend customers keep their distance from the plexiglass and that staff cleaning them take precautions.

wakka12 · 22-03-2020 09:52AM

South East Asia is really going exactly the way of Western Europe..huge increase in numbers of cases being reported in Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillippines and Thailand

DOCARCH · 22-03-2020 09:54AM

trumptheman wrote: »

All you can post is 7% death rate in Italy and 0.1% from normal flu.

If they can't get that through their thick heads then their just idiots.

I think i'm right with the 7%?

It's actually at 9% atm.

But, you would have to assume that there are far more untested/unconfirmed cases to get to that %.

Bob24 · 22-03-2020 09:56AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Could you provide a creditable source for that investigation?

Just saw this from a reliable Chinese magazine which I follow: https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-22/czech-republic-promises-no-loses-after-confiscating-donated-masks-meant-for-chinese-in-italy-101532318.html

Apparently China had shipped their donations to Czech Republic as there was no direct flight to Northern Italy, and there was a train ready to bring the stuff to Italy but the goods were confiscated uppon arrival by Czech customs.

The Czechs are now saying it was a mistake. Hard to know what to believe but I suspect they chanced their arm but had to come clean when they got exposed and China asked them what they hell they were doing with Chinese goods aimed for Italy.

The pictures of the boxes make it hard to believe it was a mistake - they have Chinese ans Italian flags on them:

https://twitter.com/filipkartousek/status/1241012743785926657

citysights · 22-03-2020 09:56AM

voluntary wrote: »

Way too little and too late in my opinion.

Yes you are probably right. We definitely have a shortage of sanitizers, no masks, but It’s never too late, we must try maybe if everyone contacted local td via email, one idea, keep pressure on.

ngunners · 22-03-2020 09:56AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Where is everyone seeing these roving gangs of kids?

Haven't seen any myself anywhere

I've seen a few around Finglas. Nowhere near as many as usual though.

22-03-2020 09:57AM

trumptheman wrote: »

All you can post is 7% death rate in Italy and 0.1% from normal flu.

If they can't get that through their thick heads then their just idiots.

I think i'm right with the 7%?

Italy is only testing people who are hospitalised

They are turning away anyone who isnt critical because their hospiteals are overrun

This is surely to blame for their death rate being out of kilter?
How many are recovering at home there,who never get tested?

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