CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 03:11AM

Tony EH wrote: »

So that's the criteria...brilliant.

There can't be any other reasons?

Perhaps Germany's testing rate is higher. Perhaps the age range of the confirmed cases are younger than in Italy or Spain. Maybe older folk did what they were asked to do and stayed away from others.

No, it has to be some sort of conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Even if they were hiding cases, it would impossible for them to keep that charade up. Germany's own journalists are asking the same questions. It would, literally, demand a huge number of people to be in on it to pass off.

Someone posted earlier that all death reporting has to go thru something like 3 different departments before being released - don't quote me on the number of departments but seems to be a lot of red tape involved

SharpshooterTom · 22-03-2020 03:11AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

There is a delay of a few weeks between the number of new cases and the death rate. It gets a lot worse when the hospitals cannot cope with the surge of sick patients.

The number of cases in the USA has just started to rocket up, Each case will infect 2 or 3 other people.... unless containment works effectively...then disaster.

I'd argue they're doing better than the UK are. They've never once purposefully engaged in herding and a lot more of their country has practised lockdowns and school closures quicker.

Its going to be a disaster everywhere. There's no vaccine so all countries doing their best to contain it without destroying the economy. There is no exit to any of this.

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 03:11AM

droidman123 wrote: »

This virus doesnt care about political correctness either,no matter what any country does this virus will march on relentless,county monaghan in ireland excluded

Cant exclude Monaghan and not exclude Russia!
PC matters when people are involved,its people carrying this everywhere.
Them Russians dont care about racism or even borders(Ukraine?)..there will be no hesitation in shutting up shop and carting off anyone suspected of the virus to save the rest of the country.
Never underestimate the strength of Russia to get things done...its all still very Soviet in the land they still control.

FVP3 · 22-03-2020 03:12AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Someone posted earlier that all death reporting has to go thru something like 3 different departments before being released - don't quote me on the number of departments but seems to be a lot of red tape involved

Source: this thread.

10000maniacs · 22-03-2020 03:13AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

I admire your optimism in them.

That speech was a horrible Churchill rip off for social media likes and clicks and Coveney is a cold and calculated as they come.

Id actually rather Coveney in charge because hed make the difficult decisions without worrying about his media profile(IMHO of course)

I think they are doing an excellent job.

spookwoman · 22-03-2020 03:15AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

New cases mean little compared to total cases. Every county has peaks and valleys. You can't just take 1 day here and there and compare.

eh

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 03:16AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think they are doing an excellent job.

Who Leo and Simon?
Nah they havent a fcuking notion...the people doing an excellent job are the civil servants,the frontline staff...those 2 are riding on the back of real heroes.

fritzelly · 22-03-2020 03:16AM

FVP3 wrote: »

Source: this thread.

Maybe Germany are only testing healthy people - nah shouldn't go there

22-03-2020 03:17AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Cant exclude Monaghan and not exclude Russia!
PC matters when people are involved,its people carrying this everywhere.
Them Russians dont care about racism or even borders(Ukraine?)..there will be no hesitation in shutting up shop and carting off anyone suspected of the virus to save the rest of the country.
Never underestimate the strength of Russia to get things done...its all still very Soviet in the land they still control.

The monaghan comment was tongue in cheek because at the time of posting it is the only county in ireland not to have any cases of covid19.you dont seriously think i was comparing monaghan to russia do you?.......then again......

Tony EH · 22-03-2020 03:17AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Someone posted earlier that all death reporting has to go thru something like 3 different departments before being released - don't quote me on the number of departments but seems to be a lot of red tape involved

And so there should be. To be sure.

But that doesn't mean that they're hiding cases, despite what some bozos on here would have you believe.

Germany began mass testing very early and were carrying out over 160,000 tests a day. They were catching cases early and immediately putting those people into the health system and 80% of positive cases were younger than 60 years of age.

"In the short term at least, mass testing feeds through into a lower fatality rate because it allows authorities to detect cases of Covid-19 even in patients who suffer few or no symptoms, and who have a much better chance of survival. It also means that Germany is likely to have a lower number of undetected cases than countries where testing is less prevalent. Indeed, one notable feature of the coronavirus outbreak in Germany so far is the high number of relatively young patients: according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, more than 80 per cent of all people infected with the coronavirus are younger than 60.

“Especially at the beginning of the outbreak in Germany we saw many cases connected to people returning from skiing trips and similar holidays,” said Matthias Stoll, a professor of medicine at the University of Hanover. “These are predominantly people who are younger than 80 and who are fit enough to ski or engage in similar activities. Their risk of dying is comparatively low.” Hans-Georg Kräusslich, a professor of medicine and the head of virology at the University Hospital in Heidelberg, said: “In most cases the illness is mild and shows few symptoms, and we assume that the detection of such mild cases varies from country to country. In statistical terms that leads to a difference in case fatality rates.”

https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

UrbanSprawl · 22-03-2020 03:18AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APwq1df6Mw

the virus

Woodsie1 · 22-03-2020 03:19AM

droidman123 wrote: »

The monaghan comment was tongue in cheek because at the time of posting it is the only county in ireland not to have any cases of covid19.you dont seriously think i was comparing monaghan to russia do you?.......then again......

No of course not lol...
Me comparing them should have had a

rossie1977 · 22-03-2020 03:20AM

Germany are reporting deaths with people who have pre-existing conditions https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-death/germany-confirms-third-death-related-to-coronavirus-idUSKBN20Y1IR

If you compare Ireland numbers with Italys at similar points there was 41 dead in Italy. Even on February 27th Italy had 593 confirmed infected and 17 dead so 6 times Ireland's mortality rate.

22-03-2020 03:21AM

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APwq1df6Mw

the virus

Once i heard the english accent in the first few seconds i couldnt listen to anymore and take it seriously

Sam Quentin · 22-03-2020 03:23AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think they are doing an excellent job.

Totally agree 100%....
Ireland absolutely Rocks.
The scare mongering and total negativity and Italy this USA that,, is getting absolutely boring. Nobody in any way shape or form should get complacent. But we are doing a great job(bearing in mind nothing is great or good about this hell that has befallen us)

trumptheman · 22-03-2020 03:26AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Totally agree 100%....
Ireland absolutely Rocks.
The scare mongering and total negativity and Italy this USA that,, is getting absolutely boring. Nobody in any way shape or form should get complacent. But we are doing a great job(bearing in mind nothing is great or good about this hell that has befallen us)

I still think the flight situation needs to be sorted as soon as possible. Other than that an A1 job.

Anyone know if there even doing temperature checks at the airport for incoming passengers?

Wolf359f · 22-03-2020 03:26AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

I think they are doing an excellent job.

The scary part is, it's all down to each and every one of us, not just the government.

UrbanSprawl · 22-03-2020 03:26AM

droidman123 wrote: »

Once i heard the english accent in the first few seconds i couldnt listen to anymore and take it seriously

propaganda springs to mind

marno21 · 22-03-2020 03:27AM

I wouldn't be putting too much belief into the fatality rates we are seeing from any country.

Today Italy has 53,578 confirmed cases and 4,825 case deaths. This is a mortality rate of 9%. However, the death figure we are using here is a function of the laboratory confirmed cases, which is not a conclusive figure. The real infection figure in Italy is a large multiple of the 53,578 confirmed cases, however there simply isn't the resources to test every single patient every single day. Nor should they be given the pressure they are under. It's impossible to get a proper mortality figure (if ever with this volume of cases) given the circumstances and if anything repeating these figures as cause for concern is simply misleading.

The only closed system we've seen a mortality rate from so far is the Diamond Princess. From the Diamond Princess we had 712 cases and 9 deaths (with 567 confirmed recoveries). That yields a death rate of 1.26%, which is a far more reliable indicator than any country to date. Given there being 136 remaining open cases we could see this figure rise - or it could be a case that resources aren't being concentrated on closing cases.

When the antibody tests become available we'll get a truer figure into the rates of infection, and true population mortality rate. Until then, it's anybody's guess.

22-03-2020 03:30AM

Someone posted earlier about coveney and churchill,simon coveney should never be put in the same bracket as that bigoted murdering racist scumbag churchill,simon coveney way more class

bb12 · 22-03-2020 03:33AM

trumptheman wrote: »

I still think the flight situation needs to be sorted as soon as possible. Other than that an A1 job.

Anyone know if there even doing temperature checks at the airport for incoming passengers?

I've said it before and I still think the Irish gov are pursuing a policy of herd immunity by stealth. not closing airports or cafes or shopping centres.

Pushing the social distancing mantra should be enough to slow down infections so the health care can cope but i don't believe they have any intention of actually trying to halt the virus in its tracks

22-03-2020 03:34AM

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

propaganda springs to mind

Not just propaganda,but they have proven their stupidity over the last few weeks that they cant be taken seriously,they make trump look intelligent

Sam Quentin · 22-03-2020 03:37AM

Bearing in mind Spain this time last week where absolutely in dire straits and the people of Spain knew that? And us(the Irish) where absolutely livid when images emerged from Temple Bar of people partying.. Similar images and Video footage from numerous sources still flowed out of Spain!?
I have a reason to be out and about....and I swear to all of you,.every night the last at least 2 weeks(not counting that infamous Temple Bar incident)has been like 02:00 Christmas Morning. And that's basically from when shopping stops.

NIMAN · 22-03-2020 03:40AM

This BBC link shows all cases and deaths

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

Interesting that San Marino appears to have the highest % death toll?

Nearly 14%

SAXA · 22-03-2020 03:43AM

Totally different note.. love to see burglary home rate with so many people at home

marno21 · 22-03-2020 03:44AM

bb12 wrote: »

I've said it before and I still think the Irish gov are pursuing a policy of herd immunity by stealth. not closing airports or cafes or shopping centres.

Pushing the social distancing mantra should be enough to slow down infections so the health care can cope but i don't believe they have any intention of actually trying to halt the virus in its tracks

Halting the virus is no longer a feasible option. If you managed to eradicate the virus in Ireland, unless all other countries worldwide managed the same you would have to close the borders. Plus if one case re-emerged, we'd be back to square one.

The only long term solution here is herd immunity, but not in the context that the UK Government were using that term recently. Until a majority of the population are immune to the disease it'll continue to circulate as almost the entire population has no immunity and liable to infection.

As time goes on, and treatments and other antidotes become available, there will be scope to increase the rate at which the population can become infected. Long term, there's also the vaccine route for increasing immunity.

MrMusician18 · 22-03-2020 03:45AM

interlocked wrote: »

QUOTE=ThomasFlynn;112911045]The USA has a population 5-6 times of many countries in Europe. By definition it should have 5-6 times the number of infected cases. If you look at number of cases per million the USA is on 79, whereas Spain is 545, Italy 886, Germany 267 etc.

Trump will be blamed for this no matter what, and absolutely he deserves some criticism, but the US aren't doing any worse than some countries in Europe, I'd argue they're doing better than the UK with 75 million now under lockdown, closing schools much earlier. Their mortality rate is also quite good for its population so far. He didn't engage in nonsense herding like Boris did. If Trump deserves blame so do a lot other world leaders therefore.

And anyone who thinks if a democrat were in charge and would've avoided the stock market collapsing, a recession and huge job losses are no more than a partisan hack. That doesn't mean Trump is the right man for the crisis right now, far from it, I'm not confident in him either.

The reason that the US is about to get reamed is because they have this pathological liar as their leader. This is what he posted TWO WEEKS AGO

So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
2:47 pm · 9 Mar 2020·Twitter for iPhoneDonald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

That's not true. You can only make that kind of comparison at the end of the outbreak.

At the moment individual outbreak clusters are more important, so these can be compared no matter what country they are in.

NIMAN · 22-03-2020 03:46AM

Again from the BBC website, in a piece about stricter measures from Italy and Spain:

"In a news conference on Saturday night, Spain's Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez warned "the worst is yet to come" and that "very difficult days lay ahead".

The government has issued a lockdown for some 46 million people who are only allowed to leave their homes for essential work, food shopping, medical reasons or to walk the dog.".

That's like a joke. Walk the f'ing dog? Come on, you're either being serious about lockdowns or you're not.

MrMusician18 · 22-03-2020 03:47AM

NIMAN wrote: »

This BBC link shows all cases and deaths

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

Interesting that San Marino appears to have the highest % death toll?

Nearly 14%

San Marino is so small that an outbreak in say a single nursing home could totally skew it's statistics.

The raw data in this case is useless without context

Monkeynut · 22-03-2020 03:48AM

SAXA wrote: »

Totally different note.. love to see burglary home rate with so many people at home

They'll be on Jobpath soon.

Jobpath: Previous occupation?

Buglar: Burglar!

Jobpath: Okay We have a opening for Burger King.

rossie1977 wrote: »

If you compare Ireland numbers with Italys at similar points there was 41 dead in Italy. Even on February 27th Italy had 593 confirmed infected and 17 dead so 6 times Ireland's mortality rate.

That's only confirmed cases vs death.
I would imagine Italy had a lot more unconfirmed cases at that time than Ireland does now, also age may come into it.

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