CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

fly_agaric wrote: »

Different systems, different failings.

The West is not coming well out of this.
An obsession with the needs & desires of business, greed, very poor leadership in key countries (cough, USA) etc. contributed to not taking the situation seriously enough even evidence of what happened in China available.

Also public sector hollowed out in many Western countries due prevailing political/economic ideologies (always do more with less) & are probably going to be badly exposed with this crisis IMO.

It's gas seeing people calling for armies of testers & contact chaser-uppers, hoardes of deasp/revenue minions to process claims & get them money yesterday, infinite extra hospital beds, guards & army running around forcing people to stay in. Where do they think it is all of that is going to be magicked up from?

50000 have responded to the HSE call in 3 days so I think we'll find them. There are a lot of people with time to kill.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mike Pence and wife need to be tested, Pence staffs member infected

And yet their all sharing the same stand.
No social distancing in the white house.

7th March Italy had 233 deaths
21st March Uk has 233 deaths

What time is the briefing by Dr. HOLOHAN today

gabeeg wrote: »

What?

We'll have roughly 2000 known cases in a weeks time.

We'll get to 4000 and blow past it in the week or two following. There's is no natural ceiling for this thing.

Did ya not read the conversation? They said 15000 by the end of the month. The graph clearly shows a max of 4000 if we follow the same path as Italy.

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yes, but the effectiveness of those measures is still uncertain. And waiting for that certainty to be known poses a risk of further spread.

What a bloody awful decision to make, I really don't envy them.

Well we wont know the effectiveness for another week or so but it was key that we took early action.

I cant speak for other parts of the country but where I am, I went to the shops today and social distancing was being observed, 1 in 1 out of the supermarket and 1 person only per family. very very few shops in the town open.

I've seen people complain about family groups being out for walks etc. Theres nothing wrong with that, just because people are out doesn't mean social distancing isn't been adhered to.

793 deaths in Italy today

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

I hope you are right , ultimately the Chinese strategy may be the only one that's truly effective.

We might have to look at a more restrictive lockdown but they keep saying they don't expect to get there. That said, it's frustrating to see cases quickly rise and to have to wait up to two weeks before we know where we are heading.

cloudatlas wrote: »

It's funny how they have no money for health services, now they have all the money for the health services.

No money from within the budget for running the country. Clearly able to provision for an emergency situation.
Even if we'd the highest number of ICU beds per capita in the world, we're in a war situation.
Surely that's obvious. Leave politics for later. And I'm a socialist by the way.

Assetbacked wrote: »

Yeah, it's pretty clear the past two weeks of discouragement and closure of businesses is already starting to strain a lot of people's patience as people are getting out and about in public in fairly decent numbers. Further, stricter measures shouldn't be implemented when the lighter measures are already starting to show weaknesses.

I don’t understand what you mean. Firstly, ‘strain people’s patience’ is as irrelevant an issue as can be. People seem to think that because of the measures we have implemented, there will be limited new cases. It doesn’t work like that. These cases are from infections from before the closures or at least from tests from a number of days ago. The main thing to look at is number of deaths. 3. Amazing ( rip to them and thoughts for family). The medics can handle the current increases, but if we relax then bang.

Your last comment doesn’t make sense to me. If lighter measures are starting to show weakness, then that is the time to implement stricter measures. People need to suck up the strain to their patience. Yes it’s tough. Yes money is tight. Yes be nice to be outside. But no point people crying at scenes in Italy and Spain, but go out and about and carry on as normal here.

trapp wrote: »

Regarding Italy, it is absolutely tragic for such a wonderful country.

Perspective on the numbers in comparison with Ireland though.

The population of Lombardy alone is over 10 million.

Italy has a population of 60 million, Ireland has a population of almost 5 million. Yes it's a much bigger population but it's not like we won't be facing the same situation here if it spreads the same.

People talk about road deaths - Ireland had 148 road deaths the whole year of 2019 and there is a lot of action on that to try to keep the numbers down, Italy had 627 coronavirus deaths yesterday alone.

I read it somewhere (could very well of been on boards) but you only have to watch those videos of Italians singing on their balconies and what not to realise how bad it got there because everyone seems to be living in those apartments above shops on narrow streets, the population densities must be pretty high in those areas?