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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #7472
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    bekker wrote: »
    If your really interested in details Cura Italia Decree 16.03.2020, translate provisions from Italian Govt site.

    Financial details as the apply to business continuity etc, all over business finance advisory sites, especially US.

    No idea of social protection details, not interested in wading through reams of detailed provisions.


    Thanks !
    There are articles in English about the Italian economy support measures in The Local and in CNBC


    https://www.thelocal.it/20200318/coronavirus-the-financial-help-available-in-italy-and-how-to-apply


    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/italy-supports-coronavirus-hit-economy-pm-hails-italian-model.html


    France and Spain have also both adopted support measures for their economies:


    https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-200-billion-euros-package-virus-downturn/


    https://www.politico.eu/article/france-injects-billions-into-stimulus-plan-amid-coronavirus-chaos-bruno-le-maire-economic-catastrophe/


  • #7473
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    The scariest thing in Italy is they locked down places in Lombardy very early on. Whereas the rest of us are still arsing about on bloody social distancing and a few closures. FFS Italy is going to be everyone! It is now too late.


  • #7474
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy..maybe those accounts of creamtoriums in Wuhan running full speed 24/7 and the smell of burning bodies being overwhelming in the city were actually true, thought it was complete bull**** at the time


  • #7475
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,612 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »
    Some American cam girls are doing quarantine discounts, it suits me fine

    wait, you guys are paying?


  • #7476
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Biomerica starts shipping finger-prick blood test samples for Covid-19

    'Global biomedical technology company has started shipping the initial samples of its finger-prick blood tests for coronavirus (Covid-19) to countries outside the US.

    Trained professionals at airports, schools, work, pharmacies and doctors’ offices can perform the new ten-minute IgG/IgM rapid test.'

    This is still classified as experimental, but if we could get our hands on a quantity they could be used to conduct statistically valid random population sampling to establish extent of unreported spread. This baseline data is vital for valid decision making.

    The faster we can establish the unreported spread, the better we will be placed to get back to increase economic activity at the earliest possible oppertunity.


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  • #7477
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Pence is solid

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7478
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    We'll need a more stringent 'lockdown' here fairly soon. There are still way too many people out and about and social distancing is being ignored by some.

    My thoughts are the government have a threshold number of new cases which will trigger more enforced restrictions.


  • #7479
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ohmeha wrote: »
    Lockdown here NOW if we want to avoid an Italy situation in a few weeks

    No because we implemented measures at the start of this. The Italians didn't until it was far too late. The uk is heading towards an italian situation if anything


  • #7480
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    coolshannagh28 wrote: »
    Our strategy is the same as Italys .
    No, it's from WHO recommendations and more of an attempt to mirror S Korea. They maintain we moved early. The Italian public also helped make this a whole lot worse than it should be.


  • #7481
    paleoperson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    harr wrote: »
    How have Italy ****ed this up so bad .. surely with cases continuing to rise they are still doing something very wrong ? Are people still out and out interacting with each other ? I know they left a lot of the enforced isolation to late. But still crazy numbers so far into this.

    I don't think you can judge Italy for their efforts sitting at your home and looking at how many deaths they have, that's ridiculous.

    You can have an opinion on something like how much they open their borders, you can't say "they're doing something very wrong" here.


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  • #7482
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    I thought at the start of this it was the government love of big business and the economy that was driving the reluctance to shut things down. It wasn't. It is because they know the vast majority of their populations are selfish and stupid and would barely accept the PR measures let alone an actual lockdown. Pampered, short termism, now now now western society. Don't blame the government's blame your neighbours.


  • #7483
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Buer wrote: »
    Essentially. The head of the Red Cross in China was in Milan during the week meeting the authorities to lend his input. He was shocked by what he saw and was critical of the supposed lockdown. People still out without masks, public transport operating, people still having parties in hotels.

    If they want to beat it, they need to go into actual lockdown. By Thursday, there had been 52,000 fines in Italy for people being out on the streets. They're still not taking the necessary measures as a society (I don't expect we will either, by the way).

    I think lockdown is coming here too. It has to.
    Fining people for being outside is the only way to make people comply. Who could have thought it though, just a few weeks ago.


  • #7484
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Trump about to go live.

    Oops wrong link.


  • #7485
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Those Italian figures today are correct regarding deaths, but keep in mind of that number 546 are in Lombardy alone

    That isint good news. Its peaking their but will spread to other regions


  • #7486
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    GM228 wrote: »
    Whatever about all that the fact they built from scratch, furnished, and opened a massive 1,000 person hospital in just 8 days is a very impressive feat.

    Different systems, different failings.

    The West is not coming well out of this.
    An obsession with the needs & desires of business, greed, very poor leadership in key countries (cough, USA) etc. contributed to not taking the situation seriously enough even after evidence of what happened in China available.

    Also public sector hollowed out in many Western countries due prevailing political/economic ideologies (always do more with less) & are probably going to be badly exposed with this crisis IMO.

    It's funny seeing people calling for armies of rapid testers & contact chaser-uppers, hoardes of deasp/revenue minions to process claims & get them money yesterday, infinite extra hospital beds, guards & army running around forcing people to stay in. Where do they think it is all of that is going to be magicked up from?


  • #7487
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    It's funny how they have no money for health services, now they have all the money for the health services.


  • #7488
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Mike Pence and wife need to be tested, Pence staffs member infected


  • #7489
    Movementarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Movementarian


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy

    You have to bear in mind though that China built 2 whole new hospitals to keep people alive. That seems to be absolutely key is availability of ventilators and beds.

    Italys trahic situation seems to be as a result kf their existing hospitals just overwhelmed. Not every country has the resources to do what China did.


  • #7490
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,456 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Pence on now. Referring to it as Corona virus. Missed Trump...still being an absolute pr1ck by referring to it as Chinese?


  • #7491
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    That isint good news. Its peaking their but will spread to other regions

    Well no, seeing as they now have a strict lockdown. It's already spread nothing was done in Italy until it was out of control.

    As has been said over and over, they'll need 2-3 weeks of strict lockdown before anyone can see results now


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  • #7492
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Surely they'd need to retest Trump considering he'd standing next to Pence and shaking his hand.


  • #7493
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    batman_oh wrote: »
    And they also tried to hide the virus and discredit people saying it was spreading. Hardly a model case seeing as that's where all this started. Bit their broken system did let them lock down the country in a way that others will struggle to follow.

    Holy Covid19 Batman, that's just bat sandwich crazy! And correct.


  • #7494
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Different systems, different failings.

    The West is not coming well out of this.
    An obsession with the needs & desires of business, greed, very poor leadership in key countries (cough, USA) etc. contributed to not taking the situation seriously enough even evidence of what happened in China available.

    Also public sector hollowed out in many Western countries due prevailing political/economic ideologies (always do more with less) & are probably going to be badly exposed with this crisis IMO.

    It's gas seeing people calling for armies of testers & contact chaser-uppers, hoardes of deasp/revenue minions to process claims & get them money yesterday, infinite extra hospital beds, guards & army running around forcing people to stay in. Where do they think it is all of that is going to be magicked up from?
    50000 have responded to the HSE call in 3 days so I think we'll find them. There are a lot of people with time to kill.


  • #7495
    Shn99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    Dr Fauci looks extremely uncomfortable


  • #7496
    Stewball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Stewball


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Mike Pence and wife need to be tested, Pence staffs member infected

    And yet their all sharing the same stand.
    No social distancing in the white house.


  • #7497
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, it's from WHO recommendations and more of an attempt to mirror S Korea. They maintain we moved early. The Italian public also helped make this a whole lot worse than it should be.

    I hope you are right , ultimately the Chinese strategy may be the only one that's truly effective.


  • #7498
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No because we implemented measures at the start of this. The Italians didn't until it was far too late. The uk is heading towards an italian situation if anything

    Yes, but the effectiveness of those measures is still uncertain. And waiting for that certainty to be known poses a risk of further spread.

    What a bloody awful decision to make, I really don't envy them.


  • #7499
    maxpowers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭maxpowers


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy..maybe those accounts of creamtoriums in Wuhan running full speed 24/7 and the smell of burning bodies being overwhelming in the city were actually true, thought it was complete bull**** at the time

    The lengths they went too were incredible. I just cannot see it happening over here.


  • #7500
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Regarding Italy, it is absolutely tragic for such a wonderful country.

    Perspective on the numbers in comparison with Ireland though.

    The population of Lombardy alone is over 10 million.


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  • #7501
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I must say Im now finding the Chinese official death toll hard to believe with the figures coming out of Italy

    I think the big takeaway from the disparity is that the majority of deaths are avoidable if health services aren't overwhelmed.

    China built entire new hospitals to prevent that. South Korea, Germany and others have an even lower death rate than China so I don't think their numbers are unbelievable.


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