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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #6692
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    joeguevara wrote: »
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    My favourite was on Monday of last week he announced that the US had a problem that a month ago didn’t exist but followed that up on the Tuesday with he felt it was a pandemic long before it was declared a pandemic and strike 3 on the Wednesday with the cracker I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China – against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved.


    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/


  • #6693
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Jeepers....wake up....just one post in the last hour....must be all over? :pac:


  • #6694
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
    Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.


    Don't know the situation now but this news back in January describe the experience of a UK man with his Chinese wife visited Wuhan for Chinese New Year.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-51300235/coronavirus-leaving-my-wife-in-wuhan




    20silkcut wrote: »
    People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.


    China's drift bill on reform of immigration met with hostile responses


    https://www.inkstonenews.com/society/chinas-draft-bill-permanent-residency-unleashes-hostile-comments-against-foreigners/article/3074244



    People of African origin in China face hugh discrimination and mistrusts.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Guangzhou




    20silkcut wrote: »
    Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
    This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
    Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.


    China government spokesperson suggests on Twitter that COVID-19 may have originated in the United States. Rather than using "official" channels such as WHO, UN or via foreign ministries, he used "Twitter" so it is not needed to be official yet can stir their domestic and international blame to US, without consequences.



    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/


  • #6695
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/

    Did you read a post of mine a couple of posts up where i said that having to put up with people trotting out rhetoric without any individual or critical thinking cannot continue. You have word for word used exactly what trump said. Just because he said it doesn’t make it right.

    In the middle of a pandemic which hurt the US, his comments have raised racist assaults against US Asians exponentially. At a time when he should be doing his best to protect and help his citizens, he put further issues on them.

    Here are some examples. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/mulan-star-tzi-ma-recalls-racist-attack-urges/story?id=69706094

    And, what does he gain anyway by using China Virus as a response to China saying it was from the US military. Does that even the score. Could he have done something different to refute the claims rather than incite hatred in his own country.

    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.


  • #6696
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Did you read a post of mine a couple of posts up where i said that having to put up with people trotting out rhetoric without any individual or critical thinking cannot continue. You have word for word used exactly what trump said. Just because he said it doesn’t make it right.

    In the middle of a pandemic which hurt the US, his comments have raised racist assaults against US Asians exponentially. At a time when he should be doing his best to protect and help his citizens, he put further issues on them.

    Here are some examples. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/mulan-star-tzi-ma-recalls-racist-attack-urges/story?id=69706094

    And, what does he gain anyway by using China Virus as a response to China saying it was from the US military. Does that even the score. Could he have done something different to refute the claims rather than incite hatred in his own country.

    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.


    I am not saying he is right to use the term "Chinese Virus" (I am Chinese myself, btw), but I think a bit of context is important. China is also playing dirty games here. China is blaming this is all from the United States, and a lot of my relatives and friends in China are believing China's narratives. We can criticise Trump all days with no consequences. Normal Chinese citizens don't have the same rights to critise their own government.


    What he actually achieved now is Beijing is has stopped spreading "virus from US" narratives (for now). Trump indirectly remind us this conoravirus is from China, which Beijing was trying to shift its orgin to US. Beijing and a lot of Chinese people in China care more about their national pride and international images, rather than concerns about racism, unfortunately.


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  • #6697
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    I am not saying he is right to use the term "Chinese Virus" (I am Chinese myself, btw), but I think a bit of context is important. China is also playing dirty games here. China is blaming this is all from the United States, and a lot of my relatives and friends in China are believing China's narratives. We can criticise Trump all days with no consequences. Normal Chinese citizens don't have the same rights to critise their own government.


    What he actually achieved now is Beijing is has stopped spreading "virus from US" narratives (for now). Trump indirectly remind us this conoravirus is from China, which Beijing was trying to shift its orgin to US. Beijing and a lot of Chinese people in China care more about their national pride and international images, rather than concerns about racism, unfortunately.

    I have not mentioned Chinese Government once. Do US Asians who are being attacked cafe that Beijing has stopped spreading narratives. Actually, you are blaming China exactly the same as Trump did. Who the fcuck cares where it came from at this stage. Protect your citizens. But Its no point even saying it to you. It’s like you are immune to the pain he is causing in his own country but as long as he shakes his fist at those pesky Bejing buggers, he’s making America Great again


  • #6698
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,965 ✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.
    The false facts and b.s circulating on social media is another pandemic in itself. If anything good is.to come out of this I sure hope it is the death of social media.


  • #6699
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Don't know if this has been posted here before. Interesting article in the New Yorker about the large amount of migrant Chinese workers in Northern Italy. Might be correlated to the large spread.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany


    Research has established the samples from Italy are all related to Bavaria Patient 1 (shortened in BavPat1)
    Source: https://nextstrain.org/


    The patient in Bavaria was infected by a colleague from China.
    Article from the New England Journal of Medicine
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...d-mnX3d9F_WRzM


    Germany initially assumed they had fully contained the Bavaria outbreak in January - but now we know they didn't.




  • #6700
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭otnomart


    bekker wrote: »
    Does any know of, or have a link to, reports of any country doing randomised testing on statistically valid random population sampling?

    There is an appalling absence of hard data on which to base decisions at present given the progress of this outbreak.


    I recall reading weeks ago that the UK was doing random testing - that was when they had only a few cases.
    Anyhow, this chart shows total testing.
    First is South Korea followed by Italy.


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  • #6701
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/

    Didn’t Trump start blaming China (and also Europe btw) before the tweet of the Chinese foreign ministry’s guy?

    The “Chinese virus” thing came afterwards, but I kind of remember Trump blaming China had started before that tweet. So while the whole thing looks a bit like a silly blaming game, I am not sure it is fair to say China started first.


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  • #6702
    mick987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Quick question,. my local Satanic chapter cult usually meets on Saturdays for coffee, chat and the odd human sacrifice here and there. Should we postpone our usual rituals or is it ok to continue while observing social distancing?
    Yes go see your grandad, in this worring times family matters


  • #6703
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,721 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    150 doctors and nurses from Vietnam's main public hospital put in quarantine yesterday. A disaster for regular sick people. I assume similar is happening the world over?

    20-25% of Irish cases are medical staff if I remember correctly, the vast majority will be okay but it's still a high price to pay.


  • #6704
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Didn’t Trump start blaming China (and also Europe btw) before the tweet of the Chinese foreign ministry’s guy?

    The “Chinese virus” thing came afterwards, but I kind of remember blaming China had started before they tweet.


    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.


  • #6705
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭circadian


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.

    That's twice now I've seen you mention this US Army allegation, I've never seen it anywhere except your posts.


  • #6706
    DOCARCH
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    kowloon wrote: »
    20-25% of Irish cases are medical staff if I remember correctly, the vast majority will be okay but it's still a high price to pay.

    I think the majority (or at least a substantial portion) of those got the virus from travel abroad rather than getting it at work/coming in contact with infected patients!


  • #6707
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    circadian wrote: »
    That's twice now I've seen you mention this US Army allegation, I've never seen it anywhere except your posts.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

    China is pushing a new theory about the origins of the coronavirus: It is an American disease that might have been introduced by members of the United States Army who visited Wuhan in October.

    There is not a shred of evidence to support that, but the notion received an official endorsement from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whose spokesman accused American officials of not coming clean about what they know about the disease.

    The intentional spreading of an unfounded conspiracy theory — which recirculated on China’s tightly controlled internet on Friday — punctuated a downward spiral in relations between the two countries that has been fueled by the basest instincts of officials on both sides.


  • #6708
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.

    Again you keep ignoring the fact that US Asians are being assaulted based on his words. Who gives a flying fcuck if US Army allegations crossed the line in your opinion. What impact did it have on the US Army. Did it explode. Did it perish. It made no impact. Now, what impact on US Asians did his words have.

    What does brain washing feel like? And just as you said ‘cross the line’ which one of Trumps lies and failures crossed the line in your opinion.


  • #6709
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    peddlelies wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

    China is pushing a new theory about the origins of the coronavirus: It is an American disease that might have been introduced by members of the United States Army who visited Wuhan in October.

    There is not a shred of evidence to support that, but the notion received an official endorsement from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whose spokesman accused American officials of not coming clean about what they know about the disease.

    The intentional spreading of an unfounded conspiracy theory — which recirculated on China’s tightly controlled internet on Friday — punctuated a downward spiral in relations between the two countries that has been fueled by the basest instincts of officials on both sides.

    And some folks wonder why people don't believe China's official figures of infected/dead/cured


  • #6710
    [Deleted User]
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    Does it make sense that a smaller population such as Ireland would recover quicker?


  • #6711
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,030 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Does it make sense that a smaller population such as Ireland would recover quicker?

    We are less densely populated. Saved by one-off housing?


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  • #6712
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Again you keep ignoring the fact that US Asians are being assaulted based on his words. Who gives a flying fcuck if US Army allegations crossed the line in your opinion. What impact did it have on the US Army. Did it explode. Did it perish. It made no impact. Now, what impact on US Asians did his words have.

    What does brain washing feel like? And just as you said ‘cross the line’ which one of Trumps lies and failures crossed the line in your opinion.


    What, in your opinion, how should Trump responded to the allegation?


    Unfortunately we Chinese people aboard are at crossfire between CCP/Trump. If CCP cares about Chinese aboard they would not try to stir tensions with the US with "US Army" allegations.


  • #6713
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Field east


    kowloon wrote: »
    20-25% of Irish cases are medical staff if I remember correctly, the vast majority will be okay but it's still a high price to pay.

    Given how essential it is that all countries cooperate at all levels to fight this enemy of all nations/ nationalities, then how come that there is absolutely not a cuck from how it is panning out in Russia. It should be called out. Is it because the normal Russian is expendable to the powers that be in that country and it is adapting the original UK strategy’s?


  • #6714
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,511 ✭✭✭harr


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    We are less densely populated. Saved by one-off housing?
    You just have to look at the housing in Italy to see why it was probably a major factor . Narrow streets and high blocks of apartments and it seems a lot of people live in theses especially the older population.


  • #6715
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭Field east


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    We are less densely populated. Saved by one-off housing?

    And a higher % of the pop live in the countryside when compared to a lot of other countries IMO


  • #6716
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    What, in your opinion, how should Trump responded to the allegation?


    Unfortunately we Chinese people aboard are at crossfire between CCP/Trump. If CCP cares about Chinese aboard they would not try to stir tensions with the US with "US Army" allegations.

    Yeah is it not possible to say both did wrong.

    It's not always Trump wrong, other side good. At that level and scale of politics they are mostly all power hungry deflecting arseholes anyways


  • #6717
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Again you keep ignoring the fact that US Asians are being assaulted based on his words. Who gives a flying fcuck if US Army allegations crossed the line in your opinion. What impact did it have on the US Army. Did it explode. Did it perish. It made no impact. Now, what impact on US Asians did his words have.

    What does brain washing feel like? And just as you said ‘cross the line’ which one of Trumps lies and failures crossed the line in your opinion.


    Trump is right to call it the chinese virus , if the chinese are trying to weasel out of their ****show by blaming the US. It came from china because of their disgusting culture around animals.


  • #6718
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    What, in your opinion, how should Trump responded to the allegation?


    Unfortunately we Chinese people aboard are at crossfire between CCP/Trump. If CCP cares about Chinese aboard they would not try to stir tensions with the US with "US Army" allegations.

    Look at my post on 6728. It outlines every single one of Trumps lies. Mistruths. Refusal to take WHO tests as he was developing his own. Publicly promising millions of test to be available but never materialised. Declaring that it was fully contained and down to zero which meant people were not socially distancing and exposing themselves to infection without their knowledge.

    Again you deliberately remove blame from Trump. Ok put it this way, if Bejing said that the US Army manufactured the virus. How many Americans were attacked.What impact did it have on fcucking anything. Tell me. Now, as I have asked before what impact does it have on US Asians, and indeed Asians all over the world.

    Honestly, if the allegation was made (which I haven’t seen) about the US army, the US army have done a lot worse. What makes it even more strange, is if you are Chinese, do you not care about the impact on US Asians including Chinese. What hard0n do you have for the US Army?


  • #6719
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,991 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    harr wrote: »
    You just have to look at the housing in Italy to see why it was probably a major factor . Narrow streets and high blocks of apartments and it seems a lot of people live in theses especially the older population.
    I disagree. You probably won't catch it just by maintaining 2m social distancing. There is effectively zero chance of catching it from your neighbour in the next flat, regardless of size.

    They simply didn't take social distancing seriously enough in the beginning. Like most countries.


  • #6720
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    kona wrote: »
    Trump is right to call it the chinese virus , if the chinese are trying to weasel out of their ****show by blaming the US. It came from china because of their disgusting culture around animals.

    And if it impact US Asians that have never lived in China, have no connection to China, and simply because of their appearance can be attacked. Is that collateral damage?


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  • #6721
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    kona wrote: »
    Trump is right to call it the chinese virus , if the chinese are trying to weasel out of their ****show by blaming the US. It came from china because of their disgusting culture around animals.

    All the controversy of horrible internet videos of murders and torture, the worst thing I ever seen was dogs being skinned alive for their fur at Chinese markets. I'll never forget it, it makes me extremely angry.

    It's not a slight on the majority of decent Chinese people but their commi government continues to ignore animal abuse.


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