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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • #6662
    interlocked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭interlocked


    America is about to reap a whirlwind, and the most ignorant and dysfunctional president in history is in charge. God help them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/new-york-center-us-coronavirus


  • #6663
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    For people defending China please watch this video or even a bit of this video.

    https://youtu.be/MR-m2vnpEmM

    They are blaming foreigners for the virus and forcing incoming travellers to pay for their own quarantine in China.
    Whilst gearing the population up to blame foreigners for the inevitable second wave when they all return to full employment.


  • #6664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    20silkcut wrote: »
    For people defending China please watch this video or even a bit of this video.

    https://youtu.be/MR-m2vnpEmM

    They are blaming foreigners for the virus and forcing incoming travellers to pay for their own quarantine in China.
    Whilst gearing the population up to blame foreigners for the inevitable second wave when they all return to full employment.

    You can't just link to a 48 minute video.. Any key parts or more detailed takes?

    Vietnam is going through a similar phase right now in terms of it being Europeans' fault. I'm sticking to places where people know me well and know I'm not a tourist. Though I barely I go out anyway.

    Though from the start of that video, I can say Vietnam is a bit different. Everyone arriving is put into forced quarantine, not just foreigners (all tourism / business travel / foreign legal residents stopped now anyways). And quarantine is free for everyone. And treatment is free for me because I have the social security medical card thing I've been paying into.


  • #6665
    20silkcut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You can't just link to a 48 minute video.. Any key parts or more detailed takes?

    Vietnam is going through a similar phase right now in terms of it being Europeans fault. I'm sticking to places where people know me well and know I'm not a tourist. Though I barely I go out anyway.


    Ok, Brief synopsis incoming travellers to China are being quarantined in hotels. Traveller must pay. Anything from €300 to €1500 cost.
    New cases are being announced as traveller from France tested positive or traveller from Germany tested positive despite the fact many of these are returning Chinese nationals.
    Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
    Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.
    Forced to put a QR code on their phone which must be used to acces shopping malls public parks etc. While also getting regular visits from Chinese police and having to produce documentation.
    People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.
    Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
    This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
    Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.


  • #6666
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Seeing some of the posts here and on other social media sites, I think it is only a matter of time that people working in shops will say fcuck it, it’s not worth it. They have been working every hour god sends and in the line of fire. If there is not much difference between what they take home and what social welfare is (without the stress and risk) it’s a no brainer.

    Not sure if it has been posted but I see a dunnes branch has had a member of staff test positive. It’s on Twitter but doesn’t say which. Although it was only a matter of time, I think people who worked in shops kept the risk to the back of their mind as it went crazy with the panic buying. It was such a whirlwind. Apart from hospitals no other place had crowds of people. I wouldn’t be surprised if a fair few say enough is enough especially if some customers are becoming more tense.


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  • #6667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you live in China, 20silkcut?


  • #6668
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

    The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

    As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:


    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379


    And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436


    But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.

    The attached pic that someone else posted earlier was Trumps exact quotes versus actual cases.

    Onn26 February he said that within a couple of days this would be zero.

    On 1st March everything is under control

    On 9th March it will go away

    He rejected WHO testing kits in favour of developing his own in the midst of a pandemic.

    initially dismissed fears over the coronavirus as a “hoax” before stating that infections were “going very substantially down, not up”. The administration promised millions of testing kits would be easily available to Americans. Didn’t happen.

    He lied saying it was the same as the flu and fatalities the same.

    He told people that were feeling sick should still go to work.

    It was only on 13 March he declared a national emergency and blamed the Obama Administration (not a fan of Obama).

    My favourite was on Monday of last week he announced that the US had a problem that a month ago didn’t exist but followed that up on the Tuesday with he felt it was a pandemic long before it was declared a pandemic and strike 3 on the Wednesday with the cracker I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China – against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved.

    I can put up with most things but to trot out word for word what Trump says using the mantra ‘fake news’ and ‘accusations of racism’ can’t continue. It is the same boll1x that Boris Johnson supporters continue with. Look at the facts, look at the timelines and realise that the state the US will be is because he thought he could lie his way out of it.

    For convenience Channel 4 have a video with it clear as day. https://youtu.be/HvE9hCZ-jaU


  • #6669
    Heckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Heckler


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51984725

    Images from Bondi Beach on Friday showed swimmers, surfers and sunbathers packed in huge numbers onto the sand.

    ****ing aussie *****.


  • #6670
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,946 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Only started to take heed in March?? What nonsense.

    The United States declared a public health emergency and issued travel restrictions from China on January 31st.

    As an example of how that was seen by others, Joe Biden's response was that it proved how xenophobic Trump was:


    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1238153685991141379


    And CNN moaned about how there was too many white people on the Coronavirus task force that was set up:

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1222964716320018436


    But apparently it was Donald Trump who initially didn't take the virus serious they tell us.

    LOL we’ve got Trump defenders on here now


  • #6671
    clever user name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Ok, Brief synopsis incoming travellers to China are being quarantined in hotels. Traveller must pay. Anything from €300 to €1500 cost.
    New cases are being announced as traveller from France tested positive or traveller from Germany tested positive despite the fact many of these are returning Chinese nationals.
    Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
    Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.
    Forced to put a QR code on their phone which must be used to acces shopping malls public parks etc. While also getting regular visits from Chinese police and having to produce documentation.
    People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.
    Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
    This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
    Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.

    The quarantine thing is true, but that also applies to Chinese nationals. Some places were still letting people do it at home, but for most cities now it's a hotel for 14 days.

    QR code to enter places is true, including your own residence. But again, this also applies to Chinese nationals.

    Haven't been visited by police, don't know anyone who has. I'm sure it has happened in some instances though.

    Foreigners (not just Africans) not being allowed to enter places has happened, but I haven't experienced it myself.

    The rest I can't really comment on as I don't know, will have to wait and see what happens.


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  • #6672
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    150 doctors and nurses from Vietnam's main public hospital put in quarantine yesterday. A disaster for regular sick people. I assume similar is happening the world over?


  • #6673
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    joeguevara wrote: »
    \
    My favourite was on Monday of last week he announced that the US had a problem that a month ago didn’t exist but followed that up on the Tuesday with he felt it was a pandemic long before it was declared a pandemic and strike 3 on the Wednesday with the cracker I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously, and have done a very good job from the beginning, including my very early decision to close the ‘borders’ from China – against the wishes of almost all. Many lives were saved.


    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/


  • #6674
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Jeepers....wake up....just one post in the last hour....must be all over? :pac:


  • #6675
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    20silkcut wrote: »
    Actual foreigners are being treated differently.
    Some being split from Chinese wives etc in quarantine.


    Don't know the situation now but this news back in January describe the experience of a UK man with his Chinese wife visited Wuhan for Chinese New Year.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-51300235/coronavirus-leaving-my-wife-in-wuhan




    20silkcut wrote: »
    People from African countries not allowed entry to such places at all.


    China's drift bill on reform of immigration met with hostile responses


    https://www.inkstonenews.com/society/chinas-draft-bill-permanent-residency-unleashes-hostile-comments-against-foreigners/article/3074244



    People of African origin in China face hugh discrimination and mistrusts.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_Guangzhou




    20silkcut wrote: »
    Rumours are allowed to flourish on the strictly controlled Chinese Internet that the virus is a foreign virus and did not start in China.
    This clears the way for China return to business as usual and blame any future outbreaks on foreigners.
    Any notion that Wet markets in Wuhan or other parts of China will be eradicated after this is fanciful in the extreme. That is not the narrative in China.


    China government spokesperson suggests on Twitter that COVID-19 may have originated in the United States. Rather than using "official" channels such as WHO, UN or via foreign ministries, he used "Twitter" so it is not needed to be official yet can stir their domestic and international blame to US, without consequences.



    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/


  • #6676
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/

    Did you read a post of mine a couple of posts up where i said that having to put up with people trotting out rhetoric without any individual or critical thinking cannot continue. You have word for word used exactly what trump said. Just because he said it doesn’t make it right.

    In the middle of a pandemic which hurt the US, his comments have raised racist assaults against US Asians exponentially. At a time when he should be doing his best to protect and help his citizens, he put further issues on them.

    Here are some examples. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/mulan-star-tzi-ma-recalls-racist-attack-urges/story?id=69706094

    And, what does he gain anyway by using China Virus as a response to China saying it was from the US military. Does that even the score. Could he have done something different to refute the claims rather than incite hatred in his own country.

    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.


  • #6677
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Did you read a post of mine a couple of posts up where i said that having to put up with people trotting out rhetoric without any individual or critical thinking cannot continue. You have word for word used exactly what trump said. Just because he said it doesn’t make it right.

    In the middle of a pandemic which hurt the US, his comments have raised racist assaults against US Asians exponentially. At a time when he should be doing his best to protect and help his citizens, he put further issues on them.

    Here are some examples. https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/mulan-star-tzi-ma-recalls-racist-attack-urges/story?id=69706094

    And, what does he gain anyway by using China Virus as a response to China saying it was from the US military. Does that even the score. Could he have done something different to refute the claims rather than incite hatred in his own country.

    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.


    I am not saying he is right to use the term "Chinese Virus" (I am Chinese myself, btw), but I think a bit of context is important. China is also playing dirty games here. China is blaming this is all from the United States, and a lot of my relatives and friends in China are believing China's narratives. We can criticise Trump all days with no consequences. Normal Chinese citizens don't have the same rights to critise their own government.


    What he actually achieved now is Beijing is has stopped spreading "virus from US" narratives (for now). Trump indirectly remind us this conoravirus is from China, which Beijing was trying to shift its orgin to US. Beijing and a lot of Chinese people in China care more about their national pride and international images, rather than concerns about racism, unfortunately.


  • #6678
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    I am not saying he is right to use the term "Chinese Virus" (I am Chinese myself, btw), but I think a bit of context is important. China is also playing dirty games here. China is blaming this is all from the United States, and a lot of my relatives and friends in China are believing China's narratives. We can criticise Trump all days with no consequences. Normal Chinese citizens don't have the same rights to critise their own government.


    What he actually achieved now is Beijing is has stopped spreading "virus from US" narratives (for now). Trump indirectly remind us this conoravirus is from China, which Beijing was trying to shift its orgin to US. Beijing and a lot of Chinese people in China care more about their national pride and international images, rather than concerns about racism, unfortunately.

    I have not mentioned Chinese Government once. Do US Asians who are being attacked cafe that Beijing has stopped spreading narratives. Actually, you are blaming China exactly the same as Trump did. Who the fcuck cares where it came from at this stage. Protect your citizens. But Its no point even saying it to you. It’s like you are immune to the pain he is causing in his own country but as long as he shakes his fist at those pesky Bejing buggers, he’s making America Great again


  • #6679
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    How moronic is it to simply eat up fcucking lies.
    The false facts and b.s circulating on social media is another pandemic in itself. If anything good is.to come out of this I sure hope it is the death of social media.


  • #6680
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Don't know if this has been posted here before. Interesting article in the New Yorker about the large amount of migrant Chinese workers in Northern Italy. Might be correlated to the large spread.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany


    Research has established the samples from Italy are all related to Bavaria Patient 1 (shortened in BavPat1)
    Source: https://nextstrain.org/


    The patient in Bavaria was infected by a colleague from China.
    Article from the New England Journal of Medicine
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...d-mnX3d9F_WRzM


    Germany initially assumed they had fully contained the Bavaria outbreak in January - but now we know they didn't.




  • #6681
    otnomart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭otnomart


    bekker wrote: »
    Does any know of, or have a link to, reports of any country doing randomised testing on statistically valid random population sampling?

    There is an appalling absence of hard data on which to base decisions at present given the progress of this outbreak.


    I recall reading weeks ago that the UK was doing random testing - that was when they had only a few cases.
    Anyhow, this chart shows total testing.
    First is South Korea followed by Italy.


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  • #6682
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,886 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    He started using the term "Chinese Virus" after China were trying to shifting their domestic and international blame by suggesting the virus is from US military.


    https://globalvoices.org/2020/03/13/china-government-spokesperson-suggests-on-twitter-that-covid-19-may-have-originated-in-the-united-states/

    Didn’t Trump start blaming China (and also Europe btw) before the tweet of the Chinese foreign ministry’s guy?

    The “Chinese virus” thing came afterwards, but I kind of remember Trump blaming China had started before that tweet. So while the whole thing looks a bit like a silly blaming game, I am not sure it is fair to say China started first.


  • #6683
    mick987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Quick question,. my local Satanic chapter cult usually meets on Saturdays for coffee, chat and the odd human sacrifice here and there. Should we postpone our usual rituals or is it ok to continue while observing social distancing?
    Yes go see your grandad, in this worring times family matters


  • #6684
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    150 doctors and nurses from Vietnam's main public hospital put in quarantine yesterday. A disaster for regular sick people. I assume similar is happening the world over?

    20-25% of Irish cases are medical staff if I remember correctly, the vast majority will be okay but it's still a high price to pay.


  • #6685
    skellig_rocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭skellig_rocks


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Didn’t Trump start blaming China (and also Europe btw) before the tweet of the Chinese foreign ministry’s guy?

    The “Chinese virus” thing came afterwards, but I kind of remember blaming China had started before they tweet.


    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.


  • #6686
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭circadian


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.

    That's twice now I've seen you mention this US Army allegation, I've never seen it anywhere except your posts.


  • #6687
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,882 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    kowloon wrote: »
    20-25% of Irish cases are medical staff if I remember correctly, the vast majority will be okay but it's still a high price to pay.

    I think the majority (or at least a substantial portion) of those got the virus from travel abroad rather than getting it at work/coming in contact with infected patients!


  • #6688
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    circadian wrote: »
    That's twice now I've seen you mention this US Army allegation, I've never seen it anywhere except your posts.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

    China is pushing a new theory about the origins of the coronavirus: It is an American disease that might have been introduced by members of the United States Army who visited Wuhan in October.

    There is not a shred of evidence to support that, but the notion received an official endorsement from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whose spokesman accused American officials of not coming clean about what they know about the disease.

    The intentional spreading of an unfounded conspiracy theory — which recirculated on China’s tightly controlled internet on Friday — punctuated a downward spiral in relations between the two countries that has been fueled by the basest instincts of officials on both sides.


  • #6689
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    skellig_rocks wrote: »
    The term "Chinese virus" is only used by Trump after the allegation tweet by Chinese foreign spokesperson on 13 March 2020.



    Personally I think the "US Army" allegations crossed the line.

    Again you keep ignoring the fact that US Asians are being assaulted based on his words. Who gives a flying fcuck if US Army allegations crossed the line in your opinion. What impact did it have on the US Army. Did it explode. Did it perish. It made no impact. Now, what impact on US Asians did his words have.

    What does brain washing feel like? And just as you said ‘cross the line’ which one of Trumps lies and failures crossed the line in your opinion.


  • #6690
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    peddlelies wrote: »
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

    China is pushing a new theory about the origins of the coronavirus: It is an American disease that might have been introduced by members of the United States Army who visited Wuhan in October.

    There is not a shred of evidence to support that, but the notion received an official endorsement from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whose spokesman accused American officials of not coming clean about what they know about the disease.

    The intentional spreading of an unfounded conspiracy theory — which recirculated on China’s tightly controlled internet on Friday — punctuated a downward spiral in relations between the two countries that has been fueled by the basest instincts of officials on both sides.

    And some folks wonder why people don't believe China's official figures of infected/dead/cured


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  • #6691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does it make sense that a smaller population such as Ireland would recover quicker?


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