CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

awec · 21-03-2020 12:51AM

jos28 wrote: »

I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial

Wearing a mask is unlikely to make any difference to you, but if every Tom, Dick and Harry starts buying and wearing masks it will cause supply issues for the people who really need them, namely healthcare workers.

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 12:52AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Maybe because the answer to that is so obvious that any journalist who wasn't 5 years old would have felt silly asking it.

And the answer is?

fritzelly · 21-03-2020 12:53AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

And the answer is?

The same one you've been told multiple nights

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 12:54AM

Westernyelp wrote: »

'Muppets' and 'Sheeple' in the same post. Excellent.
This is new for everybody. Everybody is on a steep learning curve here. Condescension helps nothing.

Contagious virus. Spreads rapidly. Try to contain as much as possible.

I don't know how steep that can possibly be. Except perhaps for pre-schoolers.

Larbre34 · 21-03-2020 12:55AM

awec wrote: »

Wearing a mask is unlikely to make any difference to you, but if every Tom, Dick and Harry starts buying and wearing masks it will cause supply issues for the people who really need them, namely healthcare workers.

Too late.

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 12:55AM

fritzelly wrote: »

The same one you've been told multiple nights

Which is?

Get Real · 21-03-2020 12:56AM

c montgomery wrote: »

Can't see that happening

If someone is on 200k are they going to pay the same % as someone on 40k?

Basic payment to everyone is what I predict

No, but they're not doing that in the UK anyway.

Capped at 80% up to 2.5k a month.

Someone earning 1500 a month would get 1200.

On 2k a month would get 1,600

On 2.5k would get 2000.

On 3k a month, still 2k. On 10 grand a month, still 2k.

Point is, all amounts are significantly higher than the 820 a month currently and are to temporarily help laid off workers who can't find another job.

I can't imagine that someone on 200k a year would a)be laid off or b) if they are, would have difficulty finding employment that pays far above 2k a month, thereby making this temporary payment irrelevant to them as they can earn more somewhere else.

Mwengwe · 21-03-2020 12:56AM

Possibly dumb question: if you sigh do you expel droplets? If you raise your voice do you expel droplets?

coolshannagh28 · 21-03-2020 12:59AM

I thought Tony Holohan seemed quite blasé tonight , a wait and see approach at this crucial stage when its obvious that only a Chinese style war footing against the virus is effective as enunciated on the Sean O Rourke show by Kingston Mills

pH · 21-03-2020 12:59AM

bob mcbob wrote: »

Yes at the moment almost no-one is immune so everyone is in the same boat - isolation. In say 6 weeks the infections have dropped off to manageable levels so the isolation has relaxed but maybe only 20% have immunity as they have had covid. Infections start rising again and isolation is re-introduced. The 20% will say why am I included - I have immunity. They will then probably ignore the isolation orders.
When that happens the "we are all in this together" community spirit is broken.

The problem with these figures is 6 weeks (42 days) and 20% of the population (about 1 million people)

That's an average of 23,000 people getting infected per day, but the peak in the middle is going to be much much higher - you'd be around 50,000 cases per day. There is no conceivable way the health service could handle anything like these numbers without collapsing.

I also don't think you'd ever get the peak down once you hit 50,000 a day, at that stage the health system and indeed the country is on its knees (there would be 500,000+ infectected people carrying the virus) the virus would just keep going until 70% where the experts reckon it will stop.

ACitizenErased · 21-03-2020 01:00AM

Don't know if this has been posted here before. Interesting article in the New Yorker about the large amount of migrant Chinese workers in Northern Italy. Might be correlated to the large spread.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/the-chinese-workers-who-assemble-designer-bags-in-tuscany

Lord Trollington · 21-03-2020 01:01AM

Mwengwe wrote: »

Possibly dumb question: if you sigh do you expel droplets? If you raise your voice do you expel droplets?

Make sure she's facing away from you and you be grand pal.

If its a sigh, you dont have to see her disappointed face. Win win.

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 01:01AM

jos28 wrote: »

I know we've been told that wearing a mask is a waste of time, it cannot prevent you catching the virus . Apparently it can only prevent you from transmitting it if you have it. Surely we should all wear them regardless. Many of us could be Asymptomatic, surely wearing masks would be beneficial

There are people that still don't get it?

Obviously wearing a proper N95 mask that's well fitted would help in some circumstances, though it's unlikely to in day to day activity. Medical professionals probably wouldn't wear them in those circumstances.

The main point is there's a massive shortage in them, that's the main reason why they're telling people not to purchase them. I have some of those masks somewhere. There are also studies that show the virus can be transferred to the mask and actually make it worse, if it's not done correctly. Realize also that the masks at least the ones I'm thinking of are designed to only be worn once. They could also create huge paranoia for some people who start thinking about masks a lot. Try to read between the lines sometimes.

There are doctors in Italy without having even gloves, and particularly masks and the same is happening in the UK. I recommend you concentrate on the basics and forget about masks. They are not indicated for your activities.

jos28 · 21-03-2020 01:01AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I think the issue is supply of masks . I know certainly if I was wearing a mask it would stop me rubbing the stubble on my face. One thing I learned in the last number of weeks is that I rub my face an outrageous number of times daily. Maybe because I so handsome. Who knows

You may be very handsome, me not so much but I still touch my face a lot more more than I thought I ever did.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-03-2020 01:01AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Molesting is also banned!

I don't believe that. He has the CIA, the LAPD, the FBI all trying to take him down in a court of law, and there was no evidence , but then that one way documentary convinced the world.
Two guys who said it was not about the money are currently in court now looking for millions on the back of the documentary.
The world was duped.

But that's for another thread..

Lord Trollington · 21-03-2020 01:02AM

pH wrote: »

The problem with these figures is 6 weeks (42 days) and 20% of the population (about 1 million people)

That's an average of 23,000 people getting infected per day, but the peak in the middle is going to be much much higher - you'd be around 50,000 cases per day. There is no conceivable way the health service could handle anything like these numbers without collapsing.

I also don't think you'd ever get the peak down once you hit 50,000 a day, at that stage the health system and indeed the country is on its knees (there would be 500,000+ infectected people carrying the virus) the virus would just keep going until 70% where the experts reckon it will stop.

Any particular reason they think it stops at 70%?

WoollyRedHat · 21-03-2020 01:03AM

Quick question,. my local Satanic chapter cult usually meets on Saturdays for coffee, chat and the odd human sacrifice here and there. Should we postpone our usual rituals or is it ok to continue while observing social distancing?

Strazdas · 21-03-2020 01:03AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Any link to this? Interested in reading.

Yes, here you go :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/crunching-ireland-s-coronavirus-numbers-brings-good-and-bad-news-1.4207233

Overall, he is optimistic, thinks Ireland will weather the storm and doesn't think the health service will be overwhelmed.

fin12 · 21-03-2020 01:03AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Molesting is also banned!

Take it to another thread.

Larbre34 · 21-03-2020 01:04AM

holyhead wrote: »

Just listened to an NHS doctor on BBC 5 Live. He believes it will be a miracle if the UK escapes with 20’000 deaths. Truly frightening.

Where did he get that nonsense from? Deaths in the UK at best will be 1.2 million, at worst about 2.5 million. In an ordinary year 620,000 people expire of regular causes in the UK.

I mean Ireland would be delighted with 20,000 deaths, but it's more likely to be 130,000 odd.

dePeatrick · 21-03-2020 01:06AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Any particular reason they think it stops at 70%?

Its possible the 70% figure is incorrect, new info coming out is showing lots of people get it but do not show any symptoms and more just think they have a common cold. Unfortunately both of these groups can infect other people. It is possible that if everyone is tested everyone gets it.

cloudatlas · 21-03-2020 01:06AM

Any gender divide stats?

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-03-2020 01:07AM

Larbre34 wrote: »

Where did he get that nonsense from? Deaths in the UK at best will be 1.2 million, at worst about 2.5 million. In an ordinary year 620,000 people expire of regular causes in the UK.

I mean Ireland would be delighted with 20,000 deaths, but it's more likely to be 130,000 odd.

Where did you get this nonsense from?

Kermit.de.frog · 21-03-2020 01:07AM

Spain looking at rationing ICU beds based on life expectancy and even social value of patients...

https://www.elespanol.com/espana/20200320/criterios-decidir-prioridad-falten-camas-uci/475954325_0.amp.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&__twitter_impression=true

They are overwhelmed

Pwindedd · 21-03-2020 01:08AM

I haven’t posted here much. But it’s been a great source of info, amusement in a crisis, and a study on human nature.

Still don’t know quite what to make of it all. I’ve seen a lot of genuine heartfelt compassion for others.

A lot of anger, despair and outrage - some deserved, some misdirected.

My overwhelming impression is that because we are all very different emotionally, intellectually and spiritually is that we have all reacted in very different ways. To expect everyone to just suddenly adopt the same thought process and attitude to the crisis is unrealistic. The majority have done their best to slow the spread and protect the vulnerable. The stragglers however (pub goers, group huggers, nose pickers/flickers et al) are going to need a firmer hand. We can direct our ire in that direction all we like - if it makes ya feel better then say it here and get it off your chest by all means - but let’s not make them entirely responsible. That doesn’t sit well with me at all.

The tougher restrictions will come if necessary. And that will just increase compliance and hopefully reduce spread.

My current lifestyle is actuality is not wildly different from my Pre-Covid one. Lucky me I guess.

pH · 21-03-2020 01:08AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Any particular reason they think it stops at 70%?

Because people are immune (have antibodies).

Now there are some that are asking "how do we know this?, someone caught it twice in Japan!" (or something) but it's entirely reasonable. Immunity to these types of virus seems to be of the order of a year or two (it's not like measles for example which is pretty much for life).

paleoperson · 21-03-2020 01:08AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Spain begins to ration ICU beds based on life expectancy and even social value of patients...

https://www.elespanol.com/espana/20200320/criterios-decidir-prioridad-falten-camas-uci/475954325_0.amp.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook&__twitter_impression=true

They are overwhelmed

What's really tragic is that a lot of these "more valuable" younger people will be the same ones going around thinking they're invincible and causing the outbreaks in the first place.

V8 Interceptor · 21-03-2020 01:08AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Any gender divide stats?

Houlahan said today that 55% of those infected are male, 43% female.

Yeah, me neither.

Westernyelp · 21-03-2020 01:10AM

V8 Interceptor wrote:

I don't know how steep that can possibly be. Except perhaps for pre-schoolers.

I see the condescension is strong in you.

Class MayDresser · 21-03-2020 01:10AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Quick question,. my local Satanic chapter cult usually meets on Saturdays for coffee, chat and the odd human sacrifice here and there. Should we postpone our usual rituals or is it ok to continue while observing social distancing?

Should be OK, just **** yerselves as opposed to each other afterwards.

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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP