CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

tobefrank321 · 20-03-2020 05:15PM

skellig_rocks wrote: »

I think there are still some restrictions in Wuhan, most of the restrictions are removed in the rest of China.

This is a tweet from a lecturer in Beijing describing the current situation in Beijing:

https://twitter.com/michaelxpettis/status/1240598009588539392

BTW his financial tweets are very informative.

The Chinese did a proper lockdown. We didn't.

After about 6-8 weeks China is starting to return to normal but they will likely have long term restrictions such as social distancing in shops and public.

Because of our phoney lockdown, we'll still be in trouble 6 months from now.

You either shut everything down completely and start up again after 2 months, or you just scrape along at the bottom for 6 months which we likely will.

Antares35 · 20-03-2020 05:15PM

plodder wrote: »

Of course, but my OH and daughters were out walking yesterday and they got a bit of abuse from a passing motorist who obviously thought they should be walking further apart.

Some people seem to be interpreting it as 2 metres from every other person. The advice above is not clear enough.

What a kn*bhead

is_that_so · 20-03-2020 05:15PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Thats a simplistic view though. More positive tests obviously means more ability to stop this person spreading, but doesn't answer the question as to how long this person has had it, who they passed it onto etc...

The more positive tests, the more possibility that others will catch it etc... Don't think theres as much positive spin as suggested.

Possibly but it also means more people can be isolated so they can't infect others and they did say the number of contacts per case has fallen considerably.

Nermal · 20-03-2020 05:16PM

plodder wrote: »

abuse from a passing motorist

Honestly, what type of person would do this? This thing has emboldened a bunch of busybody OCD fruitcakes.

trapp · 20-03-2020 05:16PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Thats a simplistic view though. More positive tests obviously means more ability to stop this person spreading, but doesn't answer the question as to how long this person has had it, who they passed it onto etc...

The more positive tests, the more possibility that others will catch it etc... Don't think theres as much positive spin as suggested.

Yes I agree but these trends can only be assessed over time.

These pages and the country in general seems to be full of clowns who if the results are less than 191 tonight will think we're on the way out of the crisis or if there's a big jump they'll be screaming for a lockdown.

The success of how we are dealing with the virus can't be measured on the numbers each night.

And ultimately the numbers requiring hospital care are most important.

If more and more of our at risk groups avoid the virus we'll come out better.

threeball · 20-03-2020 05:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Worthwhile listening to this, a number of his travel group tested positive and none showed any symptoms while in isolation.

https://www.eastcoast.fm/podcasts2/podcasts/the-morning-show/episode/wicklow-man-tells-east-coast-fms-morning-show-about-his-experience-after-recovering-from-covid-19/

Theres thousands of cases out there that won't be reported or recorded. Bad for spreading it but good for social immunity.

Cork Boy 53 · 20-03-2020 05:16PM

trapp wrote: »

Are people actually that stupid to be still looking at number of confirmed cases as a completely negative thing.

The advice from the WHO is to test, test, test.

The more tests carried out will lead to an increase in cases.

Most important is reducing the amount of vulnerable and at risk people getting the virus and therefore reducing the hospital and icu care needed and therefore reducing the deaths.

300 positive cases where only 30 require hospital treatment would be better than 250 where 70 require hospital treatment.

Obviously long term we want the numbers to go down but that data trends like that can only be assessed over a longer period than day to day.

Amazing sometimes the absolute lack of intelligence and basic cop on in some people.

I think it`s called panic. Believe me I should know.

harr · 20-03-2020 05:16PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

I haven't been keeping up with this thread in the past 24 hours as its gone to the dogs, sorry if this has been posted,

https://twitter.com/Buailtin/status/1240944703853539328

That’s both heart breaking and lovely at the same time .. wow

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 05:17PM

All non essential businesses ordered to close in the states of NewYork and Pennsylvania

trapp · 20-03-2020 05:17PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The Chinese did a proper lockdown. We didn't.

After about 6-8 weeks China is starting to return to normal but they will likely have long term restrictions such as social distancing in shops and public.

Because of our phoney lockdown, we'll still be in trouble 6 months from now.

You either shut everything down completely and start up again after 2 months, or you just scrape along at the bottom for 6 months which we likely will.

Perhaps but it would be even more dangerous for a state to have the power China has over its people.

It may have worked in this case but in general for a state to be able to enforce the measures is Wuhan is not a good thing.

That could never happen here and rightly so.

Allinall · 20-03-2020 05:17PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And how many of them were at Cheltenham recently?

None of the jockeys and very few of the trainers.

Dundalk is flat and Cheltneham is national hunt.

I'd say there is probably less than 100 in Dundalk today.

cnocbui · 20-03-2020 05:18PM

If one didn't already know that climate 'scientists' are a bunch of dim witted morons and their green cohrt even worse:

Rockstrom emphasized that the degree of risk between the coronavirus pandemic and the climate crisis was “completely incompatible,” as the latter is much more serious.

Climate scientists believe the unprecedented measures in place to tackle the coronavirus pandemic give a glimpse of what could be possible when it comes to fighting the climate emergency.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-what-the-global-response-means-for-the-climate-crisis.html

Words fail me. These people must live on a different planet. If this went on for 8 months, world unemployment would be 30-40%, at least. There would be civil wars between the haves and the have-nots, and these cretins want to make this the norm.

billybonkers · 20-03-2020 05:19PM

Allinall wrote: »

None of the jockeys and very few of the trainers.

Dundalk is flat and Cheltneham is national hunt.

I'd say there is probably less than 100 in Dundalk today.

It is behind closed doors

trapp · 20-03-2020 05:19PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I think it`s called panic. Believe me I should know.

It's not it's just simple stupidity.

These people were stupid before the virus and will be stupid after it.

walshb · 20-03-2020 05:20PM

trapp wrote: »

We expect increases as we have increased testing.

They don't just make it up as they go along.

Try and have even a tiny bit of cop on.

Bravo for the most patronizing and condescending post on the thread...

bb12 · 20-03-2020 05:21PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Everyone out and about today, every where looks busy. All the industrial retails premises are open, life goes on. Gangs of teenagers out and about, summer holidays have come early.
We're doing a little, but hardly enough. The '' dumb'' part of society will force a lockdown, as it's the only way those dumbasses will distance themselves from others.

unfortunately these idiots are not only harmful to themselves and those they come in contact with, but they are a detriment to society as a whole

because of them the government are easily able to pass laws that curtail a whole population's civil liberties, that while necessary during this crisis, will be left on the statute books going forwards leading to unforeseen consequences in the future

Allinall · 20-03-2020 05:22PM

billybonkers wrote: »

It is behind closed doors

I know that.

The 100 or so would be made up of jockeys, trainers, course staff and owners.

Each stable is restricted to one trainer, one lad and one owner per horse.

BLIZZARD7 · 20-03-2020 05:22PM

political analyst wrote: »

There have been calls for a lockdown here in the Republic. But don't we already have a de facto lockdown anyway?! Schools, cinemas, restaurants, pubs and most cafés are closed.

Furthermore, if Person A was in a pub in Temple Bar last Saturday night and stopped to talk afterwards to Person B, who wasn't in a pub at all, could Person B have reduced the risk of being infected by having a warm shower afterwards?

Yes and if you have a warm shower after you have died from Covid-19 you then come back to life afterwards. :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-03-2020 05:22PM

Allinall wrote: »

None of the jockeys and very few of the trainers.

Dundalk is flat and Cheltneham is national hunt.

I'd say there is probably less than 100 in Dundalk today.

Tomorrow's meetings? Sundays? Next weeks? Are you saying none of them.went to Cheltenham to watch? Racing should be cancelled until this is over.

blade1 · 20-03-2020 05:23PM

Sorry if posted already, it's impossible for me to keep up

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/18318320.statement-released-cheltenham-festival-staff-racegoers-develop-coronavirus-symptoms/

BattleCorp · 20-03-2020 05:24PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

Yes and if you have a warm shower after you have died from Covid-19 you then come back to life afterwards. :rolleyes:

A warm shower after unprotected sex stops you getting pregnant too..........apparently.

But only if you do it standing up.

threeball · 20-03-2020 05:24PM

cnocbui wrote: »

If one didn't already know that climate 'scientists' are a bunch of dim witted morons and their green cohrt even worse:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/coronavirus-what-the-global-response-means-for-the-climate-crisis.html

Words fail me. These people must live on a different planet. If this went on for 8 months, world unemployment would be 30-40%, at least. There would be civil wars between the haves and the have-nots, and these cretins want to make this the norm.

You do realise that if we continue the path we're on that climate change will make this look like a teddy bears picnic and that there will be no end, it will be permanent. You can laugh all you want because its not on your door yet, but 3 months ago we were all looking at China and never expected we'd be in the midst of this today.

RandomName2 · 20-03-2020 05:24PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Take a look at a map.
Compare the E.U. to Wuhan.
The EU is an non- federated union of sovereign countries that covers 4.476 million km²
Wuhan is a city that covers 8,494 km²

See many offshore Islands in Wuhan?
How about very rural dwellings?

What locations do you suggest be used as the 'humane' kennels?
Who pays for the food?
Who minds the dogs?
Do have even the slightest idea how many pet dogs there are in the EU?
What about the mental health of those whose dogs are taken from them?

You really haven't thought this through have you?

China is twice the size of the EU. 15 cities were put in full lock-down, not just Wuhan.
Covid-19 reached every province of China, and was the epicenter for the entire pandemic.
China has virtually no new domestic cases now.
Anybody willing to write off what any Asian country has done in relation to this virus must first produce a very good counter-proposal.

skellig_rocks · 20-03-2020 05:25PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The Chinese did a proper lockdown. We didn't.

After about 6-8 weeks China is starting to return to normal but they will likely have long term restrictions such as social distancing in shops and public.

Because of our phoney lockdown, we'll still be in trouble 6 months from now.

You either shut everything down completely and start up again after 2 months, or you just scrape along at the bottom for 6 months which we likely will.

There are others places in Asia haven't experienced full lockdowns, such as Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. But I think the differences in these places are:

1) EVERYONE wear masks
2) Some form of border restrictions
3) Testing and contact tracking
4) Social distancing in restaurants
5) No school in HK, Macau since January (after Chinese new year)

So we have a choice, Chinese lockdown models or the above. but we have to make one soon

nyarlothothep · 20-03-2020 05:25PM

bb12 wrote: »

unfortunately these idiots are not only harmful to themselves and those they come in contact with, but they are a detriment to society as a whole

because of them the government are easily able to pass laws that curtail a whole population's civil liberties, that while necessary during this crisis, will be left on the statute books going forwards leading to unforeseen consequences in the future

"People" will people I suppose. I'm having to plan my excursions at odd times I predict that people won't be out, rather difficult to say the least. Pity it wouldn't rain at all, that's an excellent mechanism for driving humans indoors.

New Home · 20-03-2020 05:25PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If you missed it listen to this Doctor on why we should stay indoors and treat each other like pariahs. Remember she is going to have to deal with the sick and dying.

https://twitter.com/RTE_PrimeTime/status/1240767106955821059?s=20

See what I mean? Clear, direct, straight to the point, honest. No mincing her words, no paternalistic buzzwords. The opposite of Varadkar's speech. That's what I was objecting to. Fair play to her.

wakka12 · 20-03-2020 05:25PM

Its difficult to comprehend the scale of what Europe is facing right now. When figures are split by country , it seems more manageable, but in reality it acted as one country beforehand when borders were free. We all felt for China as the peak of their epidemic, but the EU which is has about 1/3-1/2 of the Chinese population , is now reporting about 5x times as many cases daily as China did, and at least 8-10x times more daily deaths as well. This is before most regions of Europe have even reached anything near a peak, probably just Italy

Antares35 · 20-03-2020 05:25PM

walshb wrote: »

Bravo for the most patronizing and condescending post on the thread...

This thread is hard enough to keep up with without having to wade through pages of people bickering :rolleyes:

Allinall · 20-03-2020 05:26PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Tomorrow's meetings? Sundays? Next weeks? Are you saying none of them.went to Cheltenham to watch? Racing should be cancelled until this is over.

What's the obsession with Cheltneham?

There are people here that have come back from all over the world, having been in far more infected places than Cheltneham.

BattleCorp · 20-03-2020 05:26PM

threeball wrote: »

You do realise that if we continue the path we're on that climate change will make this look like a teddy bears picnic and that there will be no end, it will be permanent. You can laugh all you want because its not on your door yet, but 3 months ago we were all looking at China and never expected we'd be in the midst of this today.

Climate change is real and is a big problem but I'm not in danger of dying of climate change in the next few months. Priorities man, priorities.

COVID-19 first, then deal with climate change.

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