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CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) *Read OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Obviously it's not a novel area of research. :confused: It doesn't matter if the experimental methods used are new or old, quality research takes time to produce. It's laborious, often frustrating stuff.

    Can respirators stop pathogens?

    Is that seriously what is being debated?

    I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,075 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    fin12 wrote: »
    That’s not true my friend in South Korea said mask wearing is mandatory when out in public and at work. . Also Singapore send masks to every household for free.

    That's to protect others from you not the other way around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 20 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs

    novel-coronavirus-cases-EU-UK-2020-03-20.png?itok=vps15TqU

    Big rise in daily cases from Europe today, mainly due to increased German numbers reported.

    The number of daily cases is now approx 5 times the reported peak figure from China !

    :eek:

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    joeguevara wrote: »
    It catches droplets and reduces spread. But people who are infected should not be in public and isolated as much as possible so the above should be less of a risk
    Asymptomatic or very mild symptoms spread the infection - no indications they have it, so believe no need for mask or test.

    Ideal transmitters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Can respirators stop pathogens?

    Is that seriously what is being debated?

    I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.
    506333.jpg

    I think it is masks and not those.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Their health minister resigned yesterday!

    He collased from over work so he is not taking the blame while taking questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Spain has gone over the 1000 deaths mark.

    https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/spain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Have you ever used a respirator?
    I have.
    They work.

    So do isolation tents. What's your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Doctors wear them because they're in direct contact with infected people and it's high risk.
    Of course they wear them. But it's also to stop them spreading it to other people,

    Also, the normal surgical masks that doctors normally wear in theatre. That's not for their own protection but the patient's.

    How do you know that you are not in direct contact with infected people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    jmayo wrote: »

    I do not trust the HSE because their incompetence has been shown time and again.
    And they are playing catchup most of the time.

    So definitely go further than they advise, just to be on the safe side.

    I never trusted FG or Varadkar before this, but that has changed.......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    the worst part is they Playing outside pharmacies and tagging elderly people leaving the pharmacy
    Sorry but do you have a link for that? It just has a whiff of urban legend about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    grindle wrote: »
    I'm surprised this is the first I've heard of it tbh, scumbags are scumbags and they are apparently fewer between than I'd thought.

    Scumbaggery is one thing and attempted murder is another. I am in two minds and a little torn about where along that continuum I think purposely group-coughing on old people lies in the current climate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭Nermal


    BLIZZARD7 wrote: »
    You haven't considered the impact on society if we simply ignore Covid-19. We would be looking at total collapse of health systems, mass deaths (Think WW1+WW2 +++) and an extremely enraged population when everyone realises governments put economy before health.

    It's not a question of putting the economy before health, or vice versa. It's a question of balance.

    I've previously posted in this thread the NICE UK guidelines that value a year of health life somewhere between £20,000 to £30,000. Life doesn't have infinite value. We all implicitly acknowledge this at a national level when we don't spend 100% of our resources on health, we balance it with other priorities.

    The economic damage being done at the moment is just not worth it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭eddie73


    There will be a time lag of about 10 days between the public coping on stage and when it is reflected in a drop in cases, as the virus will not manifest for several days and testing will take a few more.

    I would expect a big spike in the next number of days, and hopefully by the end of the week it will reflect a slowing in the number of new cases. Unfortunately the government's prediction of 15000 cases will almost certainly come to pass by then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    lawred2 wrote: »
    That's to protect others from you not the other way around

    Sorry the person was saying no country was advising their citizens to wear them, clearly they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Father went to chemist today for a few thing and they have someone at the door asking what do people want. Father is wearing mask and is trying to tell this person what he need and they just can't understand him, then pharmacist starts asking him about temp etc and he's saying no temp i just was some items. Chemists then says if you are not sick why are you wearing mask.. Because I'm not sick at the moment and don't want to get sick!

    Seriously have to wonder about some people


    Everyone's an expert.


    Went to Tescos today as I'm in the older age group and a old guy said to me that the masks are "No good .they only protect other people from catching it from you.!"


    I asked him what do you do if you want to cough and he said "Cough in your elbow"

    Why, I asked. "So you don't give it to anyone else !"

    So if I don't have it then "I should just cough and splutter all over the place?" I asked. The point is you don't know you haven't got it, you only think you haven't got it. You have no right to take risks with your own life
    if it risks the live of others as well.


    The number of people who think that they are the only ones who have watched the news, Prime Time, Claire Burn, BBS, Sky News and browsed online is amazing.

    People hear the advise and make their own judgements. I wear a mask when I am out and have done so now for days. I have stocked up on frozen food (and some beer) and intend to self isolate from now on until the worst of this passes. I think the order is coming soon for the so called cocooning and I am ready to put up with it.

    It was great in Tescos this morning, shelves full, very few people and the staff doing everything to help.

    I am thankful to the vast majority of young and middle aged people in this country for their consideration.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Can respirators stop pathogens?

    Is that seriously what is being debated?

    I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.

    Why do you keep asking me about respirators?

    I'm simply responding to your reference to scientific journals. Any ones on this novel virus that have already been published need to be closely evaluated because that is very quick in scientific research land. Some have been sloppy, even including patient names on CT scans included in the articles. That's why we should not just assume they are good science.

    Doctors are taking precautions whilst the knowledge on this virus is still nascent. And?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭interlocked


    Over a thousand people have signed this petition, not requesting, but "demanding" that the Leinster Schools Rugby competition be completed.

    https://www.change.org/p/irish-rugby-football-union-have-leinster-schools-cup-finals-played

    Paul Howard must be banging his head off his laptop, the art of satire is dead:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And we can now say the situation in Ireland is fully in hand as posters squabble over the more burning issue of the origins of a nursery rhyme! :D
    And getting incensed by being referred to as "Boomer"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,476 ✭✭✭neonsofa


    I was in a pharmacy on monday. Assistant handed me my medication which I had ordered an hour beforehand and went back home while they got it ready. I produced my card expecting her to offer me the swipe machine thingy but she took the card from me and walked back up the top of the shop to swipe my card herself. She was on her way back down to me with the card when another pharmacist asked me to step outside the door which I did, passing the other people in the queue as I did so but this meant that the assistant who had served me also had to pass (squeeze past, as the place is very narrow) these people to come outside to me with my card and pass them again on the way back in. Maybe it made sense to them but not to me...

    My local pharmacy is similar to this, they try to resolve/avoid one issue but create another in doing so. Hopefully they work out an effective system, in fairness they are dealing with high volume of customers during a stressful and ever evolving situation, so they are trying their best, and i dont envy them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,128 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Do people think trump is wrong to call it the China Virus ?
    I can't see why he is getting stick for it , that's where it came from and they actively tried to blame it on American soldiers and they actively tried to hide it form the world for a month,

    I can't for the life of me see why people are annoyed at Trump for taking a stand against China ,Sars also came from China about time someone started calling them out if they continue the way the have been what's next ? something worse than this could wipe out everybody ,

    What is right and wrong in this mad world?

    Trump is vile. Rather than trying to be a decent human, that should be bringing people together, he is deliberately stoking division and hatred and hostility. He’s truly disgusting.

    What actual help is him deliberately offending so many people?

    He is even starting to emphasise his words when mentioning it. Unreal..

    Dangerously odd man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Longing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Looks like the British haven't really closed their schools.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51643556


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,149 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    MipMap wrote: »
    Everyone's an expert.


    Went to Tescos today as I'm in the older age group and a old guy said to me that the masks are "No good .they only protect other people from catching it from you.!"


    I asked him what do you do if you want to cough and he said "Cough in your elbow"

    Why, I asked. "So you don't give it to anyone else !"

    So if I don't have it then "I should just cough and splutter all over the place?" I asked. The point is you don't know you haven't got it, you only think you haven't got it. You have no right to take risks with your own life
    if it risks the live of others as well.


    The number of people who think that they are the only ones who have watched the news, Prime Time, Claire Burn, BBS, Sky News and browsed online is amazing.

    People hear the advise and make their own judgements. I wear a mask when I am out and have done so now for days. I have stocked up on frozen food (and some beer) and intend to self isolate from now on until the worst of this passes. I think the order is coming soon for the so called cocooning and I am ready to put up with it.

    It was great in Tescos this morning, shelves full, very few people and the staff doing everything to help.

    I am thankful to the vast majority of young and middle aged people in this country for their consideration.

    Even if the mask and gloves give 30% more protection its still better. He's 70's ex smoker so high risk and he's going to take every precaution he can to keep uninfected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,286 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Everyone out and about today, every where looks busy. All the industrial retails premises are open, life goes on. Gangs of teenagers out and about, summer holidays have come early.
    We're doing a little, but hardly enough. The '' dumb'' part of society will force a lockdown, as it's the only way those dumbasses will distance themselves from others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    walshb wrote: »
    What is right and wrong in this mad world?

    Trump is vile. Rather than trying to be a decent human, that should be bringing people together, he is deliberately stoking division and hatred and hostility. He’s truly disgusting.

    What actual help is him deliberately offending so many people?

    He is even starting to emphasise his words when mentioning it. Unreal..

    Dangerously odd man.

    They'll probably make a film about this angle in years to come.
    The China Syndrome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    walshb wrote: »
    What is right and wrong in this mad world?

    Trump is vile. Rather than trying to be a decent human, that should be bringing people together, he is deliberately stoking division and hatred and hostility. He’s truly disgusting.

    What actual help is him deliberately offending so many people?

    He is even starting to emphasise his words when mentioning it. Unreal..

    Dangerously odd man.

    ?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2Fa9%2F62%2F983ffda7418bb8b2b46bf942ef5b%2Fcbr031620dapc.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,350 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Over a thousand people have signed this petition, not requesting, but "demanding" that the Leinster Schools Rugby competition be completed.

    https://www.change.org/p/irish-rugby-football-union-have-leinster-schools-cup-finals-played

    Paul Howard must be banging his head off his laptop, the art of satire is dead:rolleyes:

    1000 not much and probably school going age vast majority. Irfu has cancelled remainder of season so doubt it is anything but a teenagers clicking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    Looks like the British haven't really closed their schools.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51643556

    That sounds sensible though


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Why do you keep asking me about respirators?

    I'm simply responding to your reference to scientific journals. Any ones on this novel virus that have already been published need to be closely evaluated because that is very quick in scientific research land. Some have been sloppy, even including patient names on CT scans included in the articles. That's why we should not just assume they are good science.

    Doctors are taking precautions whilst the knowledge on this virus is still nascent. And?



    Hand washing will only get you so far. The governments stated objective is to flatten the curve.

    People who are at risk should have a different objective. Don't get it.
    People should treat everyone they come into contact with as potentially having it.
    They should reduce that risk wherever possible.

    It's a respiratory disease. We know that.
    It's spread by aerosol. We know that.
    Respirators can filter out aerosols.
    Do they work? HSE says "masks" don't work.


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