CoVid-19 Part IX - 785 cases ROI (3 deaths) 108 in NI (1 death) (20 March) Read OP

Bannasidhe · 20-03-2020 02:47PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

you brought the fake facts of the rhythm up, I was relaying a story from the real news on radio

This outrage of yours is growing legs.
So, you heard an item on the radio where someone else spoke about witnessing children playing tag and you came on here to say how disgraceful it is without giving even a hint of context?

Look, kids should be social distancing yes. Absolutely.
Easier said than done as kids will be kids. But every effort should be made by the adults around them to reign in their more exuberant excesses. No quibble with that.

But getting our knickers in a twist about them saying 'covid 19' when they tag is a waste of time and energy when there are far more serious issues.

fin12 · 20-03-2020 02:47PM

murpho999 wrote: »

THe virus is not airborne. How can it float for 3 hours.

No country anywhere is advising the general public to wear facemasks if not affected and I've looked a good few countries offical health advice and the WHO.

Wearing masks and gloves does not achieve anything and is not necessary.

That’s not true my friend in South Korea said mask wearing is mandatory when out in public and at work. . Also Singapore send masks to every household for free.

PsychoPete · 20-03-2020 02:47PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The Dutch are making a mess of this.

Very complacent attitude about everything over there.

They are probably all stoned and haven't a clue what's going on

MOR316 · 20-03-2020 02:47PM

Speaking of the Dutch...

A Co-worker, who is sat very close to me was there last week...Came back into the office. Never said a word.
Ain't seen her in a day or two. Turns out said person has now been sent home.

Some people...

bottlebrush · 20-03-2020 02:48PM

Lundstram wrote: »

But they don't. Buy your own, they're only around €5 for a box and keep them in your car.

I still see people handing their debit cards to cashiers TO TAP. Some folk are beyond help.

I was in a pharmacy on monday. Assistant handed me my medication which I had ordered an hour beforehand and went back home while they got it ready. I produced my card expecting her to offer me the swipe machine thingy but she took the card from me and walked back up the top of the shop to swipe my card herself. She was on her way back down to me with the card when another pharmacist asked me to step outside the door which I did, passing the other people in the queue as I did so but this meant that the assistant who had served me also had to pass (squeeze past, as the place is very narrow) these people to come outside to me with my card and pass them again on the way back in. Maybe it made sense to them but not to me...

PrairieDawn · 20-03-2020 02:48PM

Just thought id say

I had to scroll down to find this thread.

AND the last post was 2 whole minutes ago.

Hobgoblin11 · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This outrage of yours is growing legs.
So, you heard an item on the radio where someone else spoke about witnessing children playing tag and you came on here to say how disgraceful it is without giving even a hint of context?

Look, kids should be social distancing yes. Absolutely.
Easier said than done as kids will be kids. But every effort should be made by the adults around them to reign in their more exuberant excesses. No quibble with that.

But getting our knickers in a twist about them saying 'covid 19' when they tag is a waste of time and energy when there are far more serious issues.

I'm not derailing the thread with this

MOR316 · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Sounds like something a boomer would ask?

Genuine question.

I have no clue about the latest slang

splinter65 · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

murpho999 wrote: »

The Dutch are making a mess of this.

Very complacent attitude about everything over there.

Well they would certainly be very very complacent about the elderly or the disabled dying off. It’s been established there for many years. Wether that’s a good or a bad thing has yet to be decided.

trapp · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

kevcos wrote: »

Which part is sh!te?

Clearly a shutdown will afford breathing space and will be effective in the short term but it comes at a massive economic cost the consequence of which are unknown.

When the phrase Economic Cost is mentioned a lot of people think this means that there will be temporary month long lay-offs and they may have to cancel this years summer holiday but everything will be back to normal by Christmas.

The remedy being worse than the disease is an outcome that must be considered, a terrible scenario to imagine in the face of the vulnerable, elderly and those in the high risk category.

I assume this entire outbreak stemmed from one single person infecting another?
We now have hundred of thousands infected. There is no controlling this virus, we have to learn to live with it and soon.

There is no winning scenario here for quite a long time possibly.

Like you said though there is a case to be made that lockdowns and so on over a long period of time would erode the modern world as we know it.

People will not stay housebound for months on end.

That will not happen and attempts to enforce that would lead to a collapse of law and order in time.

Through attempting to save lives, these methods may destroy modern life as we know it and ultimately cost us even more lives.

The hidden danger of this virus could well be worse than the virus itself.

And possibly the effects of this are not visible to many posters on here, as maybe those that spend so much time on internet forums are not social people to begin with?

neonsofa · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They all do that with alarming frequency at that age! I had a neighbour who used to say that every year from her late seventies. She was 92 when she died.

Yeah both of my grannies did this for about twenty years!

Deeper Blue · 20-03-2020 02:49PM

Surely the fact that a lot of people actually are respecting the social distancing guidelines will mean the spread is slowed down?

Obviously there's a lot of selfish arseholes out there but it's not like there hasn't been major changes in how most people are behaving.

caveat emptor · 20-03-2020 02:50PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Obviously it's not a novel area of research. It doesn't matter if the experimental methods used are new or old, quality research takes time to produce. It's laborious, often frustrating stuff.

Can respirators stop pathogens?

Is that seriously what is being debated?

I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.

lawred2 · 20-03-2020 02:51PM

fin12 wrote: »

That’s not true my friend in South Korea said mask wearing is mandatory when out in public and at work. . Also Singapore send masks to every household for free.

That's to protect others from you not the other way around

Rob A. Bank · 20-03-2020 02:51PM

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 20 March 2020 @ 08:00 hrs

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Big rise in daily cases from Europe today, mainly due to increased German numbers reported.

The number of daily cases is now approx 5 times the reported peak figure from China !

:eek:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

bekker · 20-03-2020 02:51PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It catches droplets and reduces spread. But people who are infected should not be in public and isolated as much as possible so the above should be less of a risk

Asymptomatic or very mild symptoms spread the infection - no indications they have it, so believe no need for mask or test.

Ideal transmitters.

joeguevara · 20-03-2020 02:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Can respirators stop pathogens?

Is that seriously what is being debated?

I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.

I think it is masks and not those.

Christy42 · 20-03-2020 02:51PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Their health minister resigned yesterday!

He collased from over work so he is not taking the blame while taking questions.

iwillyeah1234 · 20-03-2020 02:52PM

Spain has gone over the 1000 deaths mark.

https://virusncov.com/covid-statistics/spain

murpho999 · 20-03-2020 02:52PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Have you ever used a respirator?
I have.
They work.

So do isolation tents. What's your point?

caveat emptor · 20-03-2020 02:52PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Doctors wear them because they're in direct contact with infected people and it's high risk.
Of course they wear them. But it's also to stop them spreading it to other people,

Also, the normal surgical masks that doctors normally wear in theatre. That's not for their own protection but the patient's.

How do you know that you are not in direct contact with infected people?

TheAsYLuMkeY · 20-03-2020 02:53PM

jmayo wrote: »

I do not trust the HSE because their incompetence has been shown time and again.
And they are playing catchup most of the time.

So definitely go further than they advise, just to be on the safe side.

I never trusted FG or Varadkar before this, but that has changed.......

Hrududu · 20-03-2020 02:53PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

the worst part is they Playing outside pharmacies and tagging elderly people leaving the pharmacy

Sorry but do you have a link for that? It just has a whiff of urban legend about it

nozzferrahhtoo · 20-03-2020 02:53PM

grindle wrote: »

I'm surprised this is the first I've heard of it tbh, scumbags are scumbags and they are apparently fewer between than I'd thought.

Scumbaggery is one thing and attempted murder is another. I am in two minds and a little torn about where along that continuum I think purposely group-coughing on old people lies in the current climate.

Nermal · 20-03-2020 02:53PM

BLIZZARD7 wrote: »

You haven't considered the impact on society if we simply ignore Covid-19. We would be looking at total collapse of health systems, mass deaths (Think WW1+WW2 +++) and an extremely enraged population when everyone realises governments put economy before health.

It's not a question of putting the economy before health, or vice versa. It's a question of balance.

I've previously posted in this thread the NICE UK guidelines that value a year of health life somewhere between £20,000 to £30,000. Life doesn't have infinite value. We all implicitly acknowledge this at a national level when we don't spend 100% of our resources on health, we balance it with other priorities.

The economic damage being done at the moment is just not worth it.

eddie73 · 20-03-2020 02:54PM

There will be a time lag of about 10 days between the public coping on stage and when it is reflected in a drop in cases, as the virus will not manifest for several days and testing will take a few more.

I would expect a big spike in the next number of days, and hopefully by the end of the week it will reflect a slowing in the number of new cases. Unfortunately the government's prediction of 15000 cases will almost certainly come to pass by then.

fin12 · 20-03-2020 02:54PM

lawred2 wrote: »

That's to protect others from you not the other way around

Sorry the person was saying no country was advising their citizens to wear them, clearly they are.

MipMap · 20-03-2020 02:54PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Father went to chemist today for a few thing and they have someone at the door asking what do people want. Father is wearing mask and is trying to tell this person what he need and they just can't understand him, then pharmacist starts asking him about temp etc and he's saying no temp i just was some items. Chemists then says if you are not sick why are you wearing mask.. Because I'm not sick at the moment and don't want to get sick!

Seriously have to wonder about some people

Everyone's an expert.

Went to Tescos today as I'm in the older age group and a old guy said to me that the masks are "No good .they only protect other people from catching it from you.!"

I asked him what do you do if you want to cough and he said "Cough in your elbow"

Why, I asked. "So you don't give it to anyone else !"

So if I don't have it then "I should just cough and splutter all over the place?" I asked. The point is you don't know you haven't got it, you only think you haven't got it. You have no right to take risks with your own life
if it risks the live of others as well.

The number of people who think that they are the only ones who have watched the news, Prime Time, Claire Burn, BBS, Sky News and browsed online is amazing.

People hear the advise and make their own judgements. I wear a mask when I am out and have done so now for days. I have stocked up on frozen food (and some beer) and intend to self isolate from now on until the worst of this passes. I think the order is coming soon for the so called cocooning and I am ready to put up with it.

It was great in Tescos this morning, shelves full, very few people and the staff doing everything to help.

I am thankful to the vast majority of young and middle aged people in this country for their consideration.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 20-03-2020 02:55PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Can respirators stop pathogens?

Is that seriously what is being debated?

I've linked to centre from disease control advice. Do you think people wear that for the craic? People are not stupid.

Why do you keep asking me about respirators?

I'm simply responding to your reference to scientific journals. Any ones on this novel virus that have already been published need to be closely evaluated because that is very quick in scientific research land. Some have been sloppy, even including patient names on CT scans included in the articles. That's why we should not just assume they are good science.

Doctors are taking precautions whilst the knowledge on this virus is still nascent. And?

interlocked · 20-03-2020 02:55PM

Over a thousand people have signed this petition, not requesting, but "demanding" that the Leinster Schools Rugby competition be completed.

https://www.change.org/p/irish-rugby-football-union-have-leinster-schools-cup-finals-played

Paul Howard must be banging his head off his laptop, the art of satire is dead:rolleyes:

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